Post-Game Talk: Refs GIFT game to Wild 3-2

[Ggg99]

Bitteto did the same thing but i don’t see you calling him out. You seem rather selective.

I didn't see Bitetto do it so we can start with that. I don't like diving from any player. And I will be more critical of the ones that do it on a semi-regular basis. In the same way that I will be critical of all dirty plays, but more critical of players who play dirty on a semi-regular basis.

Ya Bitetto did a pretty good job of selling the high stick and even better scrubbing some blood from his lip to get the 4min PP. For sure a penalty though. Dare I say good call by the ref.

But there is no doubt that Ehlers would have to be the best and most frequent diver on the Jets and I think his rep means he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt with the refs. The high stick he took yesterday was a penalty but the dive he took with it maybe hurt his cause on that one.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You ever consider changing your “handle”...or maybe it’s the New York Jets u are a fan of?

I think this line of criticism is going too far. I might report it but I see a mod participating in it.

I disagree with 815 on this one. Quite strongly. But he is entitled to his opinion and he does seem to believe he has a legitimate leg to stand on.

This kind of response is directed at him, not at the point he is trying to make.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The Jets play, coaching and NHL reffing makes me not want to renew my STs next year.

While I can understand this POV, I hope there are not too many fans who feel this way.

My commitment to my team is for longer than any coach's tenure, or even any ref's. With any luck, it will outlast Bettman too. That doesn't necessarily mean paying for ST's though. I'm still new to that commitment.

 

[1OApick]

Yeh and i guess tying up a stick isn’t a thing either right?

Yes it it also. But that call was on Wheeler.

 

[Guardian17]

Copp is back in a regular full contact jersey!

 

[FFHockey]

I think this line of criticism is going too far. I might report it but I see a mod participating in it.

I disagree with 815 on this one. Quite strongly. But he is entitled to his opinion and he does seem to believe he has a legitimate leg to stand on.

This kind of response is directed at him, not at the point he is trying to make.

Easy there Mort....simple question is all.

 

[NotCommitted]

However, anyone thinking that having Sami Niku in the lineup is going to make some huge difference to this team right now is fooling themselves. We need size with skill in the lineup, which means Buff and Kulikov

I don't think it's even so much about believing Niku will be the saviour and pick the team up on his broad shoulders and flow them to success, but more a case of "why on earth are we playing these waiver pickups with no upside instead of a prospect from the org with upside". Maybe Niku works out or maybe he doesn't, but IMO it's really hard to come up with any sort of convincing argument why he shouldn't be in the line up. This is a defence with Poolman on first pairing...

Niku might not be very good defensively, but then again, he might still be better than the guy he replaces. At least Niku has good smarts, always has his head up and is not afraid to make a play. I think the Jets defence would benefit from that. Besides, it's a bit strange he's a fringe NHLer last year, come this season the Jets lose over half of their D-core and only get Pionk as a quality replacement, yet there's still no room for Niku. Did he just get a lot worse over the off-season or what is this about?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

lol, I don't know what you're watching. The overhead cam I saw clearly showed a guy interfering with a goalie.

Twice. With contact with other players. Contact does not imply "pushed".

 

[AlphaLackey]

Were they playing defence first? It didn't look like they were playing defence at all. And they sure were not playing offense.

Should a team try to sit on a 1 goal lead when there is still that much time left? Usually, I would say no. Maybe for a team that is very good defensively. Should a team that is as weak as the Jets do it? Clearly, no. Should the Jets ever do it? Doesn't look like it.

The best defence is a good offense, or puck possession, or just keeping the puck out of the D zone. The worst defense is to just keep giving the puck to the other team and let them shoot at your goalie. That last is what the Jets did.

Of course you don't just hammer the puck down the ice like you're doing a five-man penalty killing unit. But think about what happened to Schiefele in that game we lost in OT. That happening when you have the puck in the offensive zone is a disaster.

As you recall, they absolutely did TRY and break out, TRIED to have O-zone time. And at the first sign of stress, they got it deep and got in a change. I have no problem whatsoever with that strategy. And in fact Minnesota tied it up because we failed to implement that -- assisted in no small part due to what was in balance one of the worst efforts of officiating this season.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I kind of agree with this. The initial contact from Parise came because Bitetto and Poolman both bumped into or pushed him from behind. Could the kick at Helly's pads been interference? Sure.

All I'm saying is initial contact occurred because of Bitteto and Poolmans contact with Parise

I don't agree. I don't think they bumped him that hard. But if they did, that only accounts for the initial contact.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Refs were beyond atrocious but we had an absolutely awful third period.

Not a well played game by us at all.

JoMo was the only good dmen today, the rest got hammered tonight.

Forwards were very meh.

Good news is the pp was on and Helle played well and got us a point.

Better news might have been that the PK was successful, whether it was good or not is more subjective. But at least it was successful .... for a change.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

oh great it's the capiche moron on the post game show...

You listen to that crap, you deserve what you get.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is a joke post? Laine plays almost the entire PP nowadays, and today led the team in PP TOI.

Wheeler scored a PP goal and was primary assist in the other PP goal.

You must be new here. You don't argue with the hockey professor. At best, it just drags you into his vortex.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

As long as I have watched hockey, I have understood the rule as if the player is pushed into a goalie by the goalie's own player it is not GI. To me it is blatently clear that #2 and #3 bump into Parise on top of the blue paint which causes him lose his balance and his body momentum moves Helle out of position. Like I said I didn't even think this was going to be a topic of controversy when watching the game, I expected controversy but due to the Kunin goal after the Morrissey missed call.

Helle's body language after that goal says a lot, normally he is pretty indignant when he feels he was interfered with, but after that goal he didn't act that way.

Anyways it seems emotions are running high and there is no point debating this goal until cooler heads prevail.

You're right about the rule - but it takes a helluva lot more than those little bumps to invoke that clause. And the interference went way beyond even the faked "I was pushed". And I'm not emotional about the call in the least.

Why Helle didn't react, I have no idea. He should have been trying to sell it even if he didn't believe it himself. All the other goalies do.

 

[Jet]

I don't think it's even so much about believing Niku will be the saviour and pick the team up on his broad shoulders and flow them to success, but more a case of "why on earth are we playing these waiver pickups with no upside instead of a prospect from the org with upside". Maybe Niku works out or maybe he doesn't, but IMO it's really hard to come up with any sort of convincing argument why he shouldn't be in the line up. This is a defence with Poolman on first pairing...

Niku might not be very good defensively, but then again, he might still be better than the guy he replaces. At least Niku has good smarts, always has his head up and is not afraid to make a play. I think the Jets defence would benefit from that. Besides, it's a bit strange he's a fringe NHLer last year, come this season the Jets lose over half of their D-core and only get Pionk as a quality replacement, yet there's still no room for Niku. Did he just get a lot worse over the off-season or what is this about?

I think it's a conspiracy of a bunch of things that has led to his situation this year so far.

I wouldn't put him in over Sbisa, I'd platoon him with Bitteto, and he's a clear favorite over Dahlstrom in my mind

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Easy there Mort....simple question is all.

I realize you put it that way and assume it was sarcasm, but I think the implication went over the line. N0t to single you out. There were several similar posts and plenty of likes too. But IMO, those posts went a little too far.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Of course you don't just hammer the puck down the ice like you're doing a five-man penalty killing unit. But think about what happened to Schiefele in that game we lost in OT. That happening when you have the puck in the offensive zone is a disaster.

As you recall, they absolutely did TRY and break out, TRIED to have O-zone time. And at the first sign of stress, they got it deep and got in a change. I have no problem whatsoever with that strategy. And in fact Minnesota tied it up because we failed to implement that -- assisted in no small part due to what was in balance one of the worst efforts of officiating this season.

Well, if we were trying to play the right way we just plain failed then. The officiating was truly awful and made a difference. But the Jets were bad most of that game, scoring only the 2 PP goals and giving up a lot of chances. They were a lot worse after scoring the 2nd goal.

Keep in mind that this was against the Wild. They are a very bad team this year, IMO. Boudreau is certainly getting the most out of them.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I don't agree. I don't think they bumped him that hard. But if they did, that only accounts for the initial contact.

This is the hallmark of a wily veteran. Knowing when to make yourself an immovable object, and when to be just a feather in the wind.

Although to be clear, not so feathery as to toss yourself off your feet as if a hurricane chanced by. Cause that would be embellishment.

 

[tbcwpg]

Well, if we were trying to play the right way we just plain failed then. The officiating was truly awful and made a difference. But the Jets were bad most of that game, scoring only the 2 PP goals and giving up a lot of chances. They were a lot worse after scoring the 2nd goal.

Keep in mind that this was against the Wild. They are a very bad team this year, IMO. Boudreau is certainly getting the most out of them.

I don't think the Wild are as bad as you think they are - they're not great but put them in the Pacific and I think they're fighting for a top 3 spot.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't think the Wild are as bad as you think they are - they're not great but put them in the Pacific and I think they're fighting for a top 3 spot.

They are 3 pts back of us - and look at how bad we have become. They are 5 pts back of Van for 3rd in the Pacific right now.

I look at their roster and I see very little. Staal, Suter and Parise are their 3 leading scorers, all 35 YO. None is outstanding anymore. They would be 5th, 7th and 9th in scoring on the Jets. None of their younger players are very much to get excited about. Their goaltending isn't looking too good either.

 

[brendan smith]

I am not sure how that is goalie interference... Parise is clearly outside the bluepaint trying to bang in a rebound, he only makes contact with the goalie when first Poolman and then Bitteto bumps into him, the overhead cam on the replay on NHL.com clearly shows this. If the Jets had score that goal and it would have been called back due to "goalie interference" I would have been livid. I am trying to apply the same standard, as soon as they showed the replay with Bitetto and Poolman bumping into Parise I thought it was a clear good goal. I am honestly shocked to see people here worked up about it.

Gary Bettman has entered the Chat...

 

[SCP Guy]

I could care less that goal was called a goal it's very meh ...... But the hit from behind on Josh is a 2 minute penalty 10 out of 10 times... Blown call that every official on the ice saw IHMO

 

[Jets 31]

I think Maurice speaks for most of us

DharmaBum your gifs are brilliant

 

[Crocket]

Jets have gone from a heavy team where other fans called them dirty to a team that while we have big players is a soft team and we call other teams dirty.

Exactly, we are quite small now actually. We would get bullied in the playoffs.

We need some grit on our bottom 6 forwards.

 

[Gm0ney]

Exactly, we are quite small now actually. We would get bullied in the playoffs.

We need some grit on our bottom 6 forwards.

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