Refs (again)

[Gary Bets Man]

I don’t think a team can blame refs for winning or losing. But it’s annoying to watch so many 10s being called when the ref decides the game is over. Sometimes with a whole period left to play.

It isn’t just the finals. The misconducts have been bugging me these whole playoff and seems like the league doesn’t want any rough stuff when a team is winning or losing by a couple “near” the end.

 

[Straight Fire]

The 10 min misconducts were utterly unacceptable in a SCF for little more than somenfacewashes and love taps. Ban those refs from the rest of the playoffs.

 

[Straight Fire]

That actually should have been a spear on Hill and Tkachuk kept skating.

 

[HofT]

The 10 min misconducts were utterly unacceptable in a SCF for little more than somenfacewashes and love taps. Ban those refs from the rest of the playoffs.

Tkachuk probably got about 20 warnings from the refs not to continually start shit. In these playoffs hes been the epitome of "extra curricular activities after play" that most of us viewers are getting sick of seeing and getting away with.
I'm sure at this point, the Refs just had enough as well.

 

[Gary Bets Man]

Tkachuk probably got about 20 warnings from the refs not to continually start shit. In these playoffs hes been the epitome of "extra curricular activities after play" that most of us viewers are getting sick of seeing and getting away with.
I'm sure at this point, the Refs just had enough as well.

Getting sick of? Has there been much at all these playoffs?

Guess I’m minority, but I see little more than I would in a regular season game.

Personally though, I enjoy a little passion and emotion in a hockey game.

 

[HofT]

Getting sick of? Has there been much at all these playoffs?

Guess I’m minority, but I see little more than I would in a regular season game.

Personally though, I enjoy a little passion and emotion in a hockey game.

Yea, for sure, you can say that's from passion and emotion. But usually that's from an illogical standpoint and as a viewer it becomes boring after so many petty plays from the same Panther players. And as I said, I'm sure the refs were sick of it as well. Tkachuk got the 10 min misconducts for a reason. It's similar to the Bunting treatment.

 

[wintersej]

I think the reffing has been poor but Florida hasn't been good enough 100% and you just tip your cap to vegas. Florida deserves to be down 2. I'm not going to be a Leafs/Bruins/Canes fan and use the refs as a cope for my team shitting the bed. Play better.

Like the refs have been bad both sides but are Vegas fans complaining?

Blaming the refs is loser talk.

It’s weird you are calling out Leafs/Bruins/Canes fans for complaining about refs. I’ve rarely seen opposing fans give us much credit to the Panthers as they have. Seems like you are deflecting your frustrations for the magic running out.

 

[aar000n]

What's frustrating is how inconsistent the refs have been. From night to night the refs have been all over the place.

 

[Beezeral]

 

[Peasy]

No way youre posting this when Gudas held a dudes stick to end the Toronto series

Hilarious watching Florida fans all of a sudden caring about penalties.

 

[Panteras]

Not butt hurt at all. Fla handed it to my team far and square. What's funny is your whining now that the shoe is on the other foot. Again Gudas came in to make a hit. Lead with his face and got hit back. By your thinking the hit on Eichel must be a cheap hit too. You can't have it both ways.

You sure as hell sound super bitter in your post but sure you’re not mad.
Except Eichel didn’t get hit in the face….like dude it’s the elephant in the room difference and you absolutely refuse to acknowledge it it’s bizarre hahaha

 

[Beezeral]

No way youre posting this when Gudas held a dudes stick to end the Toronto series

Hilarious watching Florida fans all of a sudden caring about penalties.

Yea. That was a missed call as well. Said it then and saying it now

 

[notbias]

Florida normally gets away with a lot, so this is refreshing.

 

[Panteras]

Gudas put himself into the hit and the outcome was the result of how low he was in relative to the guy he was looking to make body contact with. The onus is Gudas for his poor body position, not Barbashev, who has every right to brace and protect himself from contact. It's not Barbashev's fault a 6 foot man looking for contact made himself 5'5 and ran himself headfirst into a hit.

Cool, so again, by this logic when it comes to high sticking rule if someone swings their stick like a mad man and I happen to turn my head and get my eyes gauged out then you wouldn’t believe it’s a high stick and it’s my fault.

Like can you at least admit that per the NHL they look at high sticking how I’m saying hits to the head should be looked at and nobody complains about high sticks yet when it comes to headshots it’s “well shoulda kept your head up bud”….it’s hypocritical. Where’s the logic behind it?

 

[Beezeral]

Florida normally gets away with a lot, so this is refreshing.

Commend you for admitting the panthers are getting shafted but that you don’t care. Better Than those who just stick their head in the sand.

 

[Leonardo87]

The misconducts at the end of the game were pretty funny. Florida had like 8 players left on the bench With 3 mins left?

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Cool, so again, by this logic when it comes to high sticking rule if someone swings their stick like a mad man and I happen to turn my head and get my eyes gauged out then you wouldn’t believe it’s a high stick and it’s my fault.

Like can you at least admit that per the NHL they look at high sticking how I’m saying hits to the head should be looked at and nobody complains about high sticks yet when it comes to headshots it’s “well shoulda kept your head up bud”….it’s hypocritical. Where’s the logic behind it?

The way a stick is used in the context of hockey is significantly different than the shoulder.

If a player wants to make a hit, it is on them if they lead with their face to make it.

 

[ShootIt]

The Gudas hit was made worse as Gudas was crouched over and his head was at where his shoulder should of been. Had no issue with that hit. Unfortunately ending for Gudas.

I thought both Marchy penalties were weak, considering the hits before and after.
I get Tkachuk is a pest, but he gets knocked into Hill's net and gets slashed leaving the net with no call. I mean do you expect any player to take that? If the refs want to keep the game calm and send a message you have to call that.


That being said, Vegas is the better team in all phases.

 

[Panteras]

The way a stick is used in the context of hockey is significantly different than the shoulder.

If a player wants to make a hit, it is on them if they lead with their face to make it.

the context that matters here is when making contact with an opponents face, in that context, they are not significantly different. What’s different, and the purpose of my argument, is how the NHL and hockey fans do view it and it’s actually penalized differently which is what doesn’t make sense to me in how this is interpreted or reasoned.

That’s like saying if you want to make a quick turn, thats on you if you turn your face and get hit by a stick…Makes no sense.
Literally like 99.9% of high sticking are unintentional hockey plays it’s not like Brashear getting wacked yet the onus is on the guy who was just simply following through on a simply puck clear…..Similarly, Barbashev I believe was simply trying to deliver a hit but we don’t put any onus on him whatsoever for getting nothing but face yet we would expect an automatic 2 minutes if he brushed Guda’s face with a stick for a simply hockey play like a puck clear or whatever.

 

[notbias]

Commend you for admitting the panthers are getting shafted but that you don’t care. Better Than those who just stick their head in the sand.

oh, I don't think they are getting shafted, I think calls are finally starting to happen against them, and then uneducated fans are freaking out because they don't know what hockey is and think what Florida was playing was it.

 

[tantalum]

I think the issue isn't really that the refs changed what they are calling compared to other cup finals. I think the issue is that Florida isn't just scrumming it up with face washes and the like to get roughing calls. They are throwing in stick fouls which are more likely to be called no matter what. If they kept the sticks down (i.e. be disciplined) they would spend a lot less time in the box.

 

[PB37]

Cool, so again, by this logic when it comes to high sticking rule if someone swings their stick like a mad man and I happen to turn my head and get my eyes gauged out then you wouldn’t believe it’s a high stick and it’s my fault.

Like can you at least admit that per the NHL they look at high sticking how I’m saying hits to the head should be looked at and nobody complains about high sticks yet when it comes to headshots it’s “well shoulda kept your head up bud”….it’s hypocritical. Where’s the logic behind it?

Your example and the Gudas play aren't even remotely in the same universe of being the same thing. You're allowed to protect yourself when a defender is coming in for a hit. You're not allowed to swing your stick at someone's head. The head contact is 100 percent caused by Gudas coming in so low and head first in what would have been a normal collision if he had taken a more upright position. There is nothing normal about purposely swinging your stick close to someone's head.

 

[flying squirrel]

My problem with Refs during this postseason is timing of calls. Plus, refs are calling to many non-factor penalties that change possible outcome paths. Take last night game, Vegas 1st PP was from a weak call that wasn't even close to changing a scoring chance. But.... that call gave Vegas a PP and they scored. Last night's game was starting with 2 teams fight a hard battle, where both teams weren't giving an inch, but after that PP score the game changed on its head. Refs shouldn't have that much power over outcomes. Let the players decide games. I hear it now.... "What you don't want penalties called?" Yes, I do if they're taking away possible goals, Dmans puck over-the-board, or the penalty is so nasty you gotta call it.

 

[Panteras]

Your example and the Gudas play aren't even remotely in the same universe of being the same thing. You're allowed to protect yourself when a defender is coming in for a hit. You're not allowed to swing your stick at someone's head. The head contact is 100 percent caused by Gudas coming in so low and head first in what would have been a normal collision if he had taken a more upright position. There is nothing normal about purposely swinging your stick close to someone's head.

Again, you’re allowed to protect yourself but if you get nothing but head and face when you protect yourself why do we put zero onus on this player? Because the other one “lead with their head”? That’s a lame reasoning and no, it’s not in a different universe than high sticking because you’re allowed to take shots and clear pucks and use your stick….how else can a player play hockey if they can’t swing their stick???? Yet if I take a shot and I accidentally hit someone with my stick on my follow through the onus is 100% on me. Why? That’s what I want you to explain.

If I’m allowed to protect myself from a hit but I get nothing but face the onus is in the other player according to you. But if I take a shot and accidentally hit someone in the face on my follow through you don’t put any onus on the other dude for putting his face on the path of my stick?????……..

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

The refs are NHL refs as usual (aka: terrible) but Paul Maurice throwing shade at them after his team lost game 1 5-2 was comical, especially when he was complaining about his desperation challenge.

The refs being a narrative in a series where one team has outscored the other 12-4 through 2 games is a joke. Vegas is beating the breaks off of Florida and the Panthers are imploding.