Refs (again)

[Three On Zero]

Because this hit isn’t called but tkachuk gets a penalty+10 for a solid hit on Eichel

Edit: you can even hear on that play lomberg gets sent to the box alone (for a stupid penalty) but still

You can all say only losers bitch and pull up the PPs the panthers had but they got them after the game was out of reach. Vegas has just as many iffy holds/cross checks. Just want a fairly called game

Tkachuk wasn’t penalized for hitting Eichel

Complaining that the referees are causing your team to lose is 100% loser talk and the Panthers only have themselves to blame.

That doesn’t mean as a fan it’s not incredibly frustrating to watch. Watching Hill punch and slash across multiple games and not get called while also having to watch your team lose is frustrating. Watching your best player get a misconduct for being jumped after a clean hit is frustrating. Watching your best player get another misconduct for literally tapping the opponent’s stick antagonistically is frustrating.

Everyone should be calling it like it is. Hill dominated. Vegas was superior. Icing on the cake, we had to witness an extremely poorly refereed game.

If they call Hill for that sequence they also have to call Tkachuk. You can’t take one or the other in that scenario

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

I think the reffing has been poor but Florida hasn't been good enough 100% and you just tip your cap to vegas. Florida deserves to be down 2. I'm not going to be a Leafs/Bruins/Canes fan and use the refs as a cope for my team shitting the bed. Play better.

Like the refs have been bad both sides but are Vegas fans complaining?

Blaming the refs is loser talk.

I’m a Bruins fan & don’t think once these playoffs I blamed anything on the refs hah

Many more things to complain about than them

Vegas making Florida look silly so far though

 

[Three On Zero]

I’m a Bruins fan & don’t think once these playoffs I blamed anything on the refs hah

Many more things to complain about than them

Vegas making Florida look silly so far though

I honestly think that people who complain about the reffing in hockey don’t understand how the rules work. Very few complaints on here are made with actual merit, for the most part the reffing has been pretty good

 

[Panteras]

I honestly think that people who complain about the reffing in hockey don’t understand how the rules work. Very few complaints on here are made with actual merit, for the most part the reffing has been pretty good

It’s the inconsistency

 

[Three On Zero]

It’s the inconsistency

You’ll always have that to some extent due to the “human factor”.

We constantly argue over calls online with access to countless replays, now try applying that to split second real time decision making

 

[PB37]

In the face yeah he did

Gudas was crouched like he was trying to take a dump. If he was upright, that's just shoulder contact.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

If they call Hill for that sequence they also have to call Tkachuk. You can’t take one or the other in that scenario

Watch the sequence again then. You have McNabb cross checking Tkachuk into the net right in front of the referee. With no call, Tkachuk clearly decides to antagonize Hill by pushing on his skates. They briefly have some words and a little bump. That’s when the referee comes over and breaks it up and tells them to continue on, and only after that does Hill cop Tkachuk. That is 100% the point when you call a one way penalty if you didn’t call anything up to that point.

Tkachuk didn’t get the favors of the referees either for the cross check or the chop from Hill because he is antagonistic and has a reputation. Neutral players in that sequence is otherwise a Vegas penalty 99/100 times.

 

[axecrew]

To the fans of florida who are now crying about how the refs weren't calling this stuff before why now, man are they inconsistant etc...BE GLAD THEY WERE INCONSISTANT...if they had called it all in the beginning you most likely wouldn't even be in the Finals!
And 1 more thing...You are now finding out EXACTLY why Calgary was willing to trade Tkachuk...he's a selfish player always thinking about his stats and himself...in spite of what he may say to make himself look good...too bad the best player in the family is retired.

 

[Panteras]

Gudas was crouched like he was trying to take a dump. If he was upright, that's just shoulder contact.

I’ve never understood this thinking. That’s
like saying if I hadn’t turn my head around I wouldn’t of gotten high sticked lol yet high stick is automatically called no matter what and double if draws blood…I’m guessing that rule is in place because of the dangers posed by a stick anywhere around a face.
Well, I thought the NHL wanted to get serious about concussions? Aren’t concussions dangerous too? It’s one thing if a non face hit leads to a concussion by means of the player bumping his head somehow, that’s just unfortunate. But it’s another if the principle place of contact is the face whether you think the guy was falling or put himself in a bad position, he’s still making a hockey play and the onus should be on the person delivering the hit just like it is on the high stick penalty rule. Nobody’s saying to suspend Barbashev this isn’t a sneaky Bunting elbow but it’s still a hit to the face…..

 

[FU Shoresy]

There was a much more neutral outcome to be had there. Barbashev could have stood his ground without aggressively countering the contact.

No one should be celebrating someone’s brain taking that kind of damage.

This will be my last post on this one though because the vibe I’m getting from your posts is that you don’t agree with that prior sentence and if that’s the case there’s not going to be any common ground for us on this

Sure they could have met at center ice and played patty cake

I'd be curious to know your take on the Eichel hit?

 

[Three On Zero]

Watch the sequence again then. You have McNabb cross checking Tkachuk into the net right in front of the referee. With no call, Tkachuk clearly decides to antagonize Hill by pushing on his skates. They briefly have some words and a little bump. That’s when the referee comes over and breaks it up and tells them to continue on, and only after that does Hill cop Tkachuk. That is 100% the point when you call a one way penalty if you didn’t call anything up to that point.

Tkachuk didn’t get the favors of the referees either for the cross check or the chop from Hill because he is antagonistic and has a reputation. Neutral players in that sequence is otherwise a Vegas penalty 99/100 times.

You said exactly why Hill wasn’t called “Tkachuk antagonizes him”. Had Tkachuk done nothing, it’s a penalty

 

[ChanceVegas]

 

[Three On Zero]

If you can't understand why a penalty wasn't called after watching this.....

The original Tkachuk flop into the net and instant looking at the ref is *Chefs kiss*

 

[FU Shoresy]

I’ve never understood this thinking. That’s
like saying if I hadn’t turn my head around I wouldn’t of gotten high sticked lol yet high stick is automatically called no matter what and double if draws blood…I’m guessing that rule is in place because of the dangers posed by a stick anywhere around a face.
Well, I thought the NHL wanted to get serious about concussions? Aren’t concussions dangerous too? It’s one thing if a non face hit leads to a concussion by means of the player bumping his head somehow, that’s just unfortunate. But it’s another if the principle place of contact is the face whether you think the guy was falling or put himself in a bad position, he’s still making a hockey play and the onus should be on the person delivering the hit just like it is on the high stick penalty rule. Nobody’s saying to suspend Barbashev this isn’t a sneaky Bunting elbow but it’s still a hit to the face…..

What part about Goonas coming in to make a hit and gets hit instead do you not understand? The dudes been head hunting all playoffs and finally got his. Nothing dirty about it.

 

[Panteras]

What part about Goonas coming in to make a hit and gets hit instead do you not understand? The dudes been head hunting all playoffs and finally got his. Nothing dirty about it.

What part about getting hit in the face do you not understand? Well…butthurt Broons fan so doesn’t surprise me

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I'm pretty sure the NHL did get together with refs to get tighter with the calls.
I think there was perhaps an aura following the Panthers through the first 3 rounds and it was made a point to put it under the microscope.
We're not losing because of the refs. But it is no doubt that they're a bit different this year it seems compared to other finals.

I can't remember when's the last time these many misconducts have been handed out in a single game that didn't include some major brawl or something.

Earlier these playoffs. Several times. Florida players know it is the new standard and still lose composure.

 

[Panteras]

Earlier these playoffs. Several times. Florida players know it is the new standard and still lose composure.

Are you referring to these many misconducts? Which game?

 

[FU Shoresy]

What part about getting hit in the face do you not understand? Well…butthurt Broons fan so doesn’t surprise me

Not butt hurt at all. Fla handed it to my team far and square. What's funny is your whining now that the shoe is on the other foot. Again Gudas came in to make a hit. Lead with his face and got hit back. By your thinking the hit on Eichel must be a cheap hit too. You can't have it both ways.

 

[PB37]

I’ve never understood this thinking. That’s
like saying if I hadn’t turn my head around I wouldn’t of gotten high sticked lol yet high stick is automatically called no matter what and double if draws blood…I’m guessing that rule is in place because of the dangers posed by a stick anywhere around a face.
Well, I thought the NHL wanted to get serious about concussions? Aren’t concussions dangerous too? It’s one thing if a non face hit leads to a concussion by means of the player bumping his head somehow, that’s just unfortunate. But it’s another if the principle place of contact is the face whether you think the guy was falling or put himself in a bad position, he’s still making a hockey play and the onus should be on the person delivering the hit just like it is on the high stick penalty rule. Nobody’s saying to suspend Barbashev this isn’t a sneaky Bunting elbow but it’s still a hit to the face…..

Gudas put himself into the hit and the outcome was the result of how low he was in relative to the guy he was looking to make body contact with. The onus is Gudas for his poor body position, not Barbashev, who has every right to brace and protect himself from contact. It's not Barbashev's fault a 6 foot man looking for contact made himself 5'5 and ran himself headfirst into a hit.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

To the fans of florida who are now crying about how the refs weren't calling this stuff before why now, man are they inconsistant etc...BE GLAD THEY WERE INCONSISTANT...if they had called it all in the beginning you most likely wouldn't even be in the Finals!
And 1 more thing...You are now finding out EXACTLY why Calgary was willing to trade Tkachuk...he's a selfish player always thinking about his stats and himself...in spite of what he may say to make himself look good...too bad the best player in the family is retired.

Lol nice gaslight attempt

 

[Three On Zero]

To the fans of florida who are now crying about how the refs weren't calling this stuff before why now, man are they inconsistant etc...BE GLAD THEY WERE INCONSISTANT...if they had called it all in the beginning you most likely wouldn't even be in the Finals!
And 1 more thing...You are now finding out EXACTLY why Calgary was willing to trade Tkachuk...he's a selfish player always thinking about his stats and himself...in spite of what he may say to make himself look good...too bad the best player in the family is retired.

Don't think it was so much why they were willing to trade him and more so why they continued to fail in the post season

 

[Dr Beinfest]

You said exactly why Hill wasn’t called “Tkachuk antagonizes him”. Had Tkachuk done nothing, it’s a penalty

I don’t know about that. McNabb’s cross-check was met with either embellishment by Tkachuk or Tkachuk’s left skate/leg hit Hill’s pad after a slight push that made him fall more awkwardly. I wouldn’t call a literal cross-checking penalty there because it’s pretty standard what McNabb did.

I disagree though, the one who gets a penalty is almost always one who retaliates. I’m not saying that’s justified, but in this case they did not give Hill a penalty for retaliation explicitly because it was Tkachuk. You can put any other player there sans Gudas and maybe Lomberg and they’re calling that chop. Especially because it’s a goalie, and goalie stick or blocker is almost always an automatic penalty for a situation like that.

 

[Mike C]

Yeah sure. And totally why the series isn't 2-0 the other way right???

In fairness, Vegas started taking runs when the game was out of reach that were clearly not hockey plays and just efforts to fire back.

Best play of the game was Hill swinging his stick into Tkachuk's stomach.

 

[Three On Zero]

I don’t know about that. McNabb’s cross-check was met with either embellishment by Tkachuk or Tkachuk’s left skate/leg hit Hill’s pad after a slight push that made him fall more awkwardly. I wouldn’t call a literal cross-checking penalty there because it’s pretty standard what McNabb did.

I disagree though, the one who gets a penalty is almost always one who retaliates. I’m not saying that’s justified, but in this case they did not give Hill a penalty for retaliation explicitly because it was Tkachuk. You can put any other player there sans Gudas and maybe Lomberg and they’re calling that chop. Especially because it’s a goalie, and goalie stick or blocker is almost always an automatic penalty for a situation like that.

1. Tkachuk goes into the net and goes after the back of Hill's legs
2. Hill gives Tkachuk a bit of a crosscheck
3. Tkachuk swipes at Hill's face when leaving the crease
4. Hill gives Tkachuk a love tap on the hip as he skates away

Following the sequence even a retaliation penalty would likely be called on Tkachuk for swiping at Hill's face when he was skating away. Again, this is a sequence you either take both or neither based on the antics of the individuals. The entire thing was more of a scrum than any kind of retaliation

 

[Dr Beinfest]

1. Tkachuk goes into the net and goes after the back of Hill's legs
2. Hill gives Tkachuk a bit of a crosscheck
3. Tkachuk swipes at Hill's face when leaving the crease
4. Hill gives Tkachuk a love tap on the hip as he skates away

Following the sequence even a retaliation penalty would likely be called on Tkachuk for swiping at Hill's face when he was skating away. Again, this is a sequence you either take both or neither based on the antics of the individuals. The entire thing was more of a scrum than any kind of retaliation

I did my best to transcribe that sequence seeing it from both sides. Read any one of our counting numbers there and ask yourself if you’re doing the same.