Refs (again)

[stealth1]

So using that as an example, a team can't complain if they get away with that sort of thing at first, then get called on it later. A penalty is a penalty. Getting away with it due to one ref's discretion doesn't make it not-a-penalty and out of bounds for any other ref to call it. If the potential for getting penalized is a concern, the solution is not to do that thing. If you want to play the hard-nosed game and take that risk, then you have to accept that you're making yourself vulnerable to penalty calls.

That's the thing though, is that it wasn't just on set of refs not calling it but many as it went on for 3 rounds. I can understand that after the first round they decide to crack down on these calls but to let Florida play that way for 3 rounds and decide cause it's the finals to start calling is wrong.

It's no wonder so many look down on the NHL. They can't even keep the way they call the game consistent. This is coming from someone who has no rooting interest in these finals.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

They can't even keep the way they call the game consistent.

And this is different than any other major sports league how?

Simply a part of sports that teams must adjust to how the game is being called. Hitters have to figure out where the strike zone is, linemen have to figure out what is holding and cornerbacks what is interference, basketball players have to discern what is or is not a touch foul. There can be wild swings in all of these things depending on which crews are wearing the striped shirts. The team that adjusts more quickly will have an advantage. That's just sports.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

their basic premise of this is that the officiating has been inconsistent and that florida is now getting called for penalties that they were allowed to commit during all the other series...That is a FACT that is not a fabrication of the truth

And this here is all you really need to read from that poorly constructed message. You don’t have facts. You were presented with facts about how the Panthers have been the most penalized team in the playoffs and only saw an increase in penalties towards the end of the Boston series and have routinely been called for their style of play. You. Are. Making. Shit. Up.

 

[stealth1]

And this is different than any other major sports league how?

Simply a part of sports that teams must adjust to how the game is being called. Hitters have to figure out where the strike zone is, linemen have to figure out what is holding and cornerbacks what is interference, basketball players have to discern what is or is not a touch foul. There can be wild swings in all of these things depending on which crews are wearing the striped shirts. The team that adjusts more quickly will have an advantage. That's just sports.

While a lot of that is true, especially during the regular season come playoffs it tends to be a lot more consistent.

 

[Ratsreign]

To all the Fla fans complaining that the refs are calling the game differently. Yes, that happens. All refs look back at game film to make improvements in their games. Sometimes they see calls they missed or didn't call correctly. And evolve the way they see/call the game. Panthers got away with a lot of extra curricular stuff in the early rounds. And I don't fault them for it. Since they got away with it. It's hockey, you gotta be as much of a rat that you can get away with. But you need to adapt your game once you start getting called on it. Fla hasn't adapted yet. Will they? Time will tell. Sit back and enjoy the run. Nothing like SCF's!

putting all of the complaints and dislike for the misconduct calls given for after the whistle shenanigans aside;
The problem many are having is seeing Lomberg get a deserved cross checking call for going high on Marshy, while Petroangelo can break sticks over people and just skate off and get a new stick. There’s been more leeway given to Vegas with physical plays. That’s the impression many were left with.
The after the whistle crap is what it is, you’re rolling the dice on getting called every time you engage in it. You’re probably more likely going to get called if it’s seen as pissy frustration coming out when things aren’t going well, too.
FL just needs to play hockey again, they really played like ass last game.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Do Panthers fans really think they had bias reffing against in all 4 series?

You don't think that maybe your guys should stop taking dumb penalties?

Florida's bigger problem is their full team defence...Vegas is just getting insane 5v5 chances constantly.

 

[Catscountry40]

To all the Fla fans complaining that the refs are calling the game differently. Yes, that happens. All refs look back at game film to make improvements in their games. Sometimes they see calls they missed or didn't call correctly. And evolve the way they see/call the game. Panthers got away with a lot of extra curricular stuff in the early rounds. And I don't fault them for it. Since they got away with it. It's hockey, you gotta be as much of a rat that you can get away with. But you need to adapt your game once you start getting called on it. Fla hasn't adapted yet. Will they? Time will tell. Sit back and enjoy the run. Nothing like SCF's!

They looked back after game one and said "how can we f*** the Panthers more?"

 

[BattleBorn]

Just as a baseline, were people expecting the 2nd most penalized team this season to have the same number of penalties as the least penalized team in the league this season?

At what point does it go from expected to a potential fix?

 

[Beezeral]

Just as a baseline, were people expecting the 2nd most penalized team this season to have the same number of penalties as the least penalized team in the league this season?

At what point does it go from expected to a potential fix?

people were expecting the threshold for a penalty to be the same for both teams. If what Lomberg did to go to the box to start game 2 is a penalty, then so is Hill's slash on Tkachuk. They are either both penalties or neither is.

The standard was different in period 1 of game 2, and the Knights capitalized on it in a big way.

 

[M88K]

Just as a baseline, were people expecting the 2nd most penalized team this season to have the same number of penalties as the least penalized team in the league this season?

At what point does it go from expected to a potential fix?

The problem is Vegas doesn't play a squeaky clean game to be the "least penalized team" in the league, that's the entirety of what problem is. It was like that on their last trip to the SCF too.
Florida is undisciplined nobody is going to deny that. The problem comes in when Florida does it, it's a penalty(and probably a misconduct), when Vegas is doing the same things and largely it's going unnoticed, even 2 feet in front of the ref with him staring right at it.

Vegas is the only PO team I can recall getting 5on3 pps like they are candy, going back to the 80's

 

[BattleBorn]

The problem is Vegas doesn't play a squeaky clean game to be the "least penalized team" in the league, that's the entirety of what problem is. It was like that on their last trip to the SCF too...

Knights were penalized 600 minutes this season compared to 1000 for Florida. I don't think anyone is expecting Vegas to play as clean as the purely driven snow.

As far as the Hill thing goes, that was a pretty even exchange after Tkachuk tried to draw the penalty and wound up in the net.

MT pushes Hill, Hill pushes MT, ref gets involved and says something, MT does his little rat push and run move, ref puts whistle in his mouth and takes it out once Hill smacks him. If MT hadn't taken the extra little shot after regaining his legs and been hit by Hill, I'd expect that to be a penalty on Hill, but that's not what happened. Push, Push, get up, grab stick, little rat push, Hill responds with stick.

Probably a decent chance it would have been something against MT if Hill hadn't hit him if you just watch the whistle.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Just as a baseline, were people expecting the 2nd most penalized team this season to have the same number of penalties as the least penalized team in the league this season?

At what point does it go from expected to a potential fix?

Right?

People complain about game management but then want the number of penalties to be even.

Even when you only include minors Florida is the most penalized team in the league and Vegas is the least.

 

[TheBeard]

Just as a baseline, were people expecting the 2nd most penalized team this season to have the same number of penalties as the least penalized team in the league this season?

At what point does it go from expected to a potential fix?

As someone forced to watch an ungodly high number of Knights games, the fact they were the least penalized teams is one of the most… let’s just say curious things of the season.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

Do Panthers fans really think they had bias reffing against in all 4 series?

No, they absolutely do not. People need to stop pedaling this notion. Every team has fans that will think they’re a victim of intentional or unintentional bias.
There were absolutely games where they got shafted on calls and there were absolutely games where they got the benefit. That is sports.

 

[TheBeard]

No, they absolutely do not. People need to stop pedaling this notion. Every team has fans that will think they’re a victim of intentional or unintentional bias.
There were absolutely games where they got shafted on calls and there were absolutely games where they got the benefit. That is sports.

I think they got lax officiating for the previous three series which fits their style, but now the refs are calling it much tighter and it’s forcing a team to no longer be the team that got them where they are.

 

[BattleBorn]

As someone forced to watch an ungodly high number of Knights games, the fact they were the least penalized teams is one of the most… let’s just say curious things of the season.

So the fix has been in from the beginning, I feel you.

I can see a series of games, potentially even this one, being called lopsidedly.

But 82 games over an entire season involving every officiating crew in the league all set up to make a dirty/average dirty team penalized the least of all the squads? That's a little tin foil hattish.

 

[embracedbias]

 

[HanSolo]

Making contact with a player's head does not automatically make it a penalty.

If you read rule 48.1 it'll explain how head contact was unavoidable due to the position of the player being hit, which makes this legal. There's no reason for a penalty, let alone suspension.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

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They are just very emotional. It's been a big boost for them at times, but against Vegas, it's becoming an achillies heal instead.

 

[HanSolo]

Knights were penalized 600 minutes this season compared to 1000 for Florida. I don't think anyone is expecting Vegas to play as clean as the purely driven snow.

As far as the Hill thing goes, that was a pretty even exchange after Tkachuk tried to draw the penalty and wound up in the net.

MT pushes Hill, Hill pushes MT, ref gets involved and says something, MT does his little rat push and run move, ref puts whistle in his mouth and takes it out once Hill smacks him. If MT hadn't taken the extra little shot after regaining his legs and been hit by Hill, I'd expect that to be a penalty on Hill, but that's not what happened. Push, Push, get up, grab stick, little rat push, Hill responds with stick.

Probably a decent chance it would have been something against MT if Hill hadn't hit him if you just watch the whistle.

To say nothing about how rarely goalies are called for getting chippy when players invade their crease. It's always been that way. Unless you step way over the line, the refs aren't calling it.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

lol @ anyone thinking Hill deserved a penalty on that. Matthew was provoking and starting shit.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

I think they got lax officiating for the previous three series which fits their style, but now the refs are calling it much tighter and it’s forcing a team to no longer be the team that got them where they are.

It was one game where they called a lot of stuff, and Florida absolutely started clowning it up when Bob stopped being unstoppable early. I don’t think everyone’s take of “calling it tighter” is some certainty at this point. Florida absolutely was doing more over the top shit in Game 2. Game 1 was pretty normal.

 

[TheBeard]

So the fix has been in from the beginning, I feel you.

I can see a series of games, potentially even this one, being called lopsidedly.

But 82 games over an entire season involving every officiating crew in the league all set up to make a dirty/average dirty team penalized the least of all the squads? That's a little tin foil hattish.

Fix? No, that’s preposterous. I think most can agree there are certain teams that get more favorable treatment. Happens in every sport. Football is bad, hell watching Lebron get as many calls as he does knowing he’s a hall of fame flopper simply because he’s lebron. It’s just how it is. At the end of the day the owners for the most part only care about the bottom line which is money DESPITE what they say in public. Do you honestly think the owners were keen with the expansion rules if they weren’t pocketing an extra close to 20 mil? In other words, I think the owners are fine with whatever and however Bettman chooses to manipulate things even if it’s a small, very inconsequential amount. There’s a reason he’s been at the forefront of the league for decades now despite the product on the ice getting worse from a professionalism standpoint.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

lol @ anyone thinking Hill deserved a penalty on that. Matthew was provoking and starting shit.

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[Tufted Titmouse]

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