Ref blatantly influences outcome of game.
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Bounces R Way
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DaveG
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I mean that's a soft call for OT (looks like it could maybe be a hold but would usually expect to be let go in 3 on 3). The interference in the sequence earlier in OT I'd expect to be called 90% of the time as it was pretty blatant so yeah, makeup call. I hate makeup calls but they're a thing.
Rodgerwilco
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Right? Why didn't the ref just slow down the footage and dissect the entire play frame by frame!?! Useless refs influencing games.
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The problem is the missed call results in a scoring chance. The make up call results in a 2 minute OT PP. Things just don't seem to balance out.
And if the flames scored on that missed call then that is also influencing the game, allowing 1 team to cheat to win.
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
I love that you say it's "clear as day" (once you slow it down and watch it frame by frame)
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Some people need a slow mo replay from a bad angle to see what the ref should have seen in real time from a better view point.
KJoe88
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But they didn't score did they? So the missed call had no affect on the game. The 2 min. penalty however had a huge affect. Penalties in OT are almost certain death for the penalized team.
Then don't commit a penalty that gets called 99.9% of the time no matter the time of the game.
Every single time a player uses both arms to wrap around an opposing player it gets called.
Bad call refs are terrible in general. I know the game is fast, but sometimes they fall asleep for a full period then they call everything. Consistency doesn't even exist in the same game.
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The Panther
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Yeah, that's a horrible call at any time, and especially in overtime.
The NHL needs to figure this out. I don't how many times (as I follow Edmonton) I"ve seen McDavid get an arm around him behind the goal or in the corner and be pulled down or interfered with and it's NOT a penalty 95% of the time. Then, you see one like that where the backchecking player slightly breathes on the guy, and it's a penalty...
There's of course a degree of subjectivity to it and mistakes are going to happen regardless, but the one thing the NHL needs to communicate and enforce with officials is: DO NOT 'GUESS' THAT YOU SAW SOMETHING UNLESS YOU'RE 100% SURE.
We've all seen this: The ref, sometimes at the opposite end of the ice, raises his arm and calls hooking or whatever from 100 feet away. The replays show the player did not hook and in fact didn't even touch the opposing player. I mean, I've seen these "invented" calls decide playoff games. The refs need to understand that even if they THINK they saw something, unless they're certain in the moment, they cannot call it.
I think that would help. Maybe some kind of salary deterrent, also, in cases where they call something from far away and the replay shows they imagined it.
On a separate note, I also think NHL refereeing standards could be improved by bringing in non-hockey fans -- fans of soccer, football, basketball, whatever. People who know sports but aren't hockey fans. My theory is: If you can't explain the existing system to them in a way that makes sense to them, it probably sucks.
Case in point -- Try to explain this to a Premier-League soccer fan:
If you hold your lumber with two hands and whack a guy over the back with it in front of the net, it's okay 80% of the time. However, if a player is skating past a defender and the defender's stick slightly contacts the attacking players pants for 1/1000 of a second without impeding his progress, it's an automatic penalty.
A fan of any other sport would conclude this is idiotic. And they'd be right.
The NHL needs to figure this out. I don't how many times (as I follow Edmonton) I"ve seen McDavid get an arm around him behind the goal or in the corner and be pulled down or interfered with and it's NOT a penalty 95% of the time. Then, you see one like that where the backchecking player slightly breathes on the guy, and it's a penalty...
There's of course a degree of subjectivity to it and mistakes are going to happen regardless, but the one thing the NHL needs to communicate and enforce with officials is: DO NOT 'GUESS' THAT YOU SAW SOMETHING UNLESS YOU'RE 100% SURE.
We've all seen this: The ref, sometimes at the opposite end of the ice, raises his arm and calls hooking or whatever from 100 feet away. The replays show the player did not hook and in fact didn't even touch the opposing player. I mean, I've seen these "invented" calls decide playoff games. The refs need to understand that even if they THINK they saw something, unless they're certain in the moment, they cannot call it.
I think that would help. Maybe some kind of salary deterrent, also, in cases where they call something from far away and the replay shows they imagined it.
On a separate note, I also think NHL refereeing standards could be improved by bringing in non-hockey fans -- fans of soccer, football, basketball, whatever. People who know sports but aren't hockey fans. My theory is: If you can't explain the existing system to them in a way that makes sense to them, it probably sucks.
Case in point -- Try to explain this to a Premier-League soccer fan:
If you hold your lumber with two hands and whack a guy over the back with it in front of the net, it's okay 80% of the time. However, if a player is skating past a defender and the defender's stick slightly contacts the attacking players pants for 1/1000 of a second without impeding his progress, it's an automatic penalty.
A fan of any other sport would conclude this is idiotic. And they'd be right.
Panthaz89
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ReginKarlssonLehner
Let's Win It All
The problem though…why do people’s eyes fail them. Slow down frame by frame and it’s clear as day that there was no contact with the puck at all…not particularly close. Not that that matters though…wrapping your arm around a guy is playing with fire…I get that it’s called sometimes and sometimes isn’t though
Don’t tell that to the OP, who is still ironically suggesting other people re-watch the video.
dj4aces
An Intricate Piece of Infinity
A couple thoughts...
1. Every team deals with bad calls, even those taken in OT.
2. It could be argued that every official, every call or non-call, can affect the outcome of a game.
3. Almost every penalty call could be slowed to a frame-by-frame analysis to demonstrate why it should or shouldn't have been called, but it's important to remember that officials (generally) make calls at the speed of the game, and don't have the superhuman ability to view it in slow motion as it happens. Are some of these calls BS? Absolutely. But the Flames failed to overcome the call, whether one agrees with it or not.
4. Game Management calls are bad, and they should feel bad for making them.
1. Every team deals with bad calls, even those taken in OT.
2. It could be argued that every official, every call or non-call, can affect the outcome of a game.
3. Almost every penalty call could be slowed to a frame-by-frame analysis to demonstrate why it should or shouldn't have been called, but it's important to remember that officials (generally) make calls at the speed of the game, and don't have the superhuman ability to view it in slow motion as it happens. Are some of these calls BS? Absolutely. But the Flames failed to overcome the call, whether one agrees with it or not.
4. Game Management calls are bad, and they should feel bad for making them.
