Redraft 2015

[thewave]

Timmins is your main target, you just don't know it yet

He is another for sure. Back to the redraft topic. Sure I would take Werenski after seeing our season. What killed us in the end was lack of D and that was with our guys sans Mari all playing really great. I enjoyed what we did.

 

[ITM]

Matthews is so good he went lower than he should of gone too!!

I seem to have missed your point.

Are you saying Marner and Nylander went where they should have (commensurate with their talent level) or are you (indirectly) asking for help in how to write an appropriately timed legitimately funny joke (as opposed to whatever it is you've just shared)?

 

[NarcoPolo]

He is another for sure. Back to the redraft topic. Sure I would take Werenski after seeing our season. What killed us in the end was lack of D and that was with our guys sans Mari all playing really great. I enjoyed what we did.

At the draft my preference was Marner. I still think he's the right pick and has a ton of room to grow as a player. It's up to him to put in the work though and polish a few things in his game. There was a lot of talk about him being a 1st overall level talent in any "normal draft year" and he hasn't done anything since then to suggest that he isnt one.

 

[leafhky88]

Because a 1D >> 1W, then the winger has to out produce the D by a significant amount or have a much bigger impact on the game.

Marner ----- 77 games 19 goals 42 assists 61 points
Werenski -- 78 games 11 goals 36 assists 47 points.

A 47 point rookie Dman >> 61 point rookie winger and the Calder voting backs that up, as playing D in the NHL at 19 and excelling much more difficult/impressive than a sheltered winger position.

Also finding scoring winger are much easier to obtain, as JVR (29g 63 points) and Nylander (22g 61 points) also scored more and provided similar points to Mitch.

In addition 3 other forwards Matthews (40), Kadri(32) and Brown (20) scored more goals then Marner and the 1st X 2 also more points.

Whereas Werenski 44 g & 47 points > Gardiner 9g & 43 points (Leafs top scoring Dman), would have lead Leafs entire D in scoring.

In the laws of supply and demand it demonstrates on team needs the value of a top pairing scoring Dman verses a scoring winger who is 6th in team goals and 5th in points.

Fair points, but if so, and Werenski is not only a great player, and in a more important position, why did you rank him at #10 on your 2015 list (actually behind Marner, and also behind fellow forwards Barzal, Zacha and Crouse?

 

[Walshy7]

I seem to have missed your point.

Are you saying Marner and Nylander went where they should have (commensurate with their talent level) or are you (indirectly) asking for help in how to write an appropriately timed legitimately funny joke (as opposed to whatever it is you've just shared)?

ooh savage but fair. It was more a comment on how great Matthews is, compared to other 1OA picks

 

[ITM]

ooh savage but fair. It was more a comment on how great Matthews is, compared to other 1OA picks

I see.

 

[Morning Dart]

Fair points, but if so, and Werenski is not only a great player, and in a more important position, why did you rank him at #10 on your 2015 list (actually behind Marner, and also behind fellow forwards Barzal, Zacha and Crouse?

It's almost like scouting is an inexact science or something!

I wanted Marner then, I'd take Marner now. The fact that what he's doing now is unbelievable and tends to yield a top-15/20 player in the league is being overshadowed by the fact he has 2 teammates doing the same thing. Yes it would be nice to have Werenski or Provorov, but let's not lose sight of Marner having to drag JvR and Bozak around all season while Werenski got to play with Seth Jones, nor the fact he would have no Jones equivalent partner if he was a Maple Leaf.

 

[stickty111]

I can tell you we need a D more than a winger. In a bad way.

Nylander is a winger too. Should be traded for a d man. Oh wait that logic doesnt work on Nylander I forgot

 

[Walshy7]

Nylander is a winger too. Should be traded for a d man. Oh wait that logic doesnt work on Nylander I forgot

what that has been the narrative most of the season. "Nylander needs to go for a dman" was TSN's battle cry for months, now the narrative is changing to nylander or marner and people are up in arms?.

IMO neither get traded, but for a while there a lot of people where trying to claim marner was on another tier from nylander which is far from true

 

[Menzinger]

what that has been the narrative most of the season. "Nylander needs to go for a dman" was TSN's battle cry for months, now the narrative is changing to nylander or marner and people are up in arms?.

IMO neither get traded, but for a while there a lot of people where trying to claim marner was on another tier from nylander which is far from true

Exactly. Both will be a Leafs for an awfully long time and there is prettt much nothing separating them in terms of skill and talent though Nylander definitely has the more rounded out game st the moment

 

[thewave]

what that has been the narrative most of the season. "Nylander needs to go for a dman" was TSN's battle cry for months, now the narrative is changing to nylander or marner and people are up in arms?.

IMO neither get traded, but for a while there a lot of people where trying to claim marner was on another tier from nylander which is far from true

Won't be Nylander. "Will be a C" I wouldnt be shocked if Marner gets traded for a D.

 

[Mess]

Ideally from any redo/redraft concept one would likely today have hoped with 3 Top 10 picks (#8, #4 & #1) from 2014-2016 drafts that Leafs would have used one of them on a #1Dman.

That way they could have had #1C, #1D and #1W and better team building coverage.

Since 2016 and landing a #1C Matthews is out then it would be down to the Marner (2015) or Nylander (2014) drafts. Since in Willie's draft there wasn't any serious Dmen in that range it would have to be 2015 draft.

If Phoenix had drafted Marner instead of Strome at #3 then Leafs likely end up with one of the big 3 on D in Hanifin/Provorov/Werenski. FWIW coach Babs even with Marner on the board was pitching hard for Leafs to draft a Dman.

Leafs ended up top heavy in scoring forwards now which is exciting to have the 3 amigos, but the downside it create a hole and now Leafs greatest weakness missing an elite high-end potential #1D, now Leafs are not to be expected to draft high have turned the corner, so Hunter is going to have to hit a home run drafting in the teens or later.

 

[smpo11]

The Leafs picked a high end D prospect in 2012.

Now they have a #1 C, #1 W, #2 C and #1D.

Not sure why any redo/redraft concept should stop at 2014.

 

[Leafidelity]

Wouldn't change a thing. I'm sure there were people trying to outsmart themselves in 2014 saying we should have drafted a dman over Nylander too. Infact, I know there was.

Let's see what the 2017 draft holds for the Maple Leafs. Mark Hunter hasn't given me a reason to doubt him yet.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

I have no regrets at all that we selected Marner. I wanted him then and what he and others from that draft have done since has not changed my mind.

 

[Raymoondo]

 

[Morgs]

Werenski is not better than Jones. Not at all.

Disagree. They're both fantastic, but I'd give the slight edge to Werenski.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Assuming that the Coyotes selected Marner 3rd overall and not Strome, wasn't everyone saying the Defenseman they would have selected would have been Hanifin? I remember others saying he would have been the first Defenseman to be selected in all the mock drafts. The only person who had Provorov as being the best Defenseman was Craig Button.

 

[Le Cobra]

The future is now. Deal with it

/thread

 

[Avilaj07]

Assuming that the Coyotes selected Marner 3rd overall and not Strome, wasn't everyone saying the Defenseman they would have selected would have been Hanifin? I remember others saying he would have been the first Defenseman to be selected in all the mock drafts. The only person who had Provorov as being the best Defenseman was Craig Button.

The leafs weren't high on Hanifin at all. They had both Provorov and Werenski ranked higher then Hanifin. I believe it was Provorov who they liked most out of the 3

 

[TMLegend]

I think they'll end up dealing Mitch at some point, for that RHD defensemen they so desperately need.

Most think it'll be Willy if one goes, but I don't see it given his strong analytical and underlying numbers. It would be going against everything this management team is striving towards.

1) McDavid
2) Eichel
3) Werenski
4) Marner
5) Provorov

That's my top 5 today. HM to Noah Hanifin, Sebastian Aho, and Brandon Carlo(Who I wanted on draft day)

 

[stickty111]

I think they'll end up dealing Mitch at some point, for that RHD defensemen they so desperately need.

Most think it'll be Willy if one goes, but I don't see it given his strong analytical and underlying numbers. It would be going against everything this management team is striving towards.

1) McDavid
2) Eichel
3) Werenski
4) Marner
5) Provorov

That's my top 5 today. HM to Noah Hanifin, Sebastian Aho, and Brandon Carlo(Who I wanted on draft day)

Hopefully we dont trade him for Hanifin. Its a good thing we wont because Marner isnt going anywhere. Looks like Mark Hunter made the right decision after all

 

[Stigma]

He doesn't really show up in the playoffs so there's a re-draft thread now? ok

It was a safe time to bring this topic up again.

Look for these threads to always appear when Mitch is slumping or injured.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

Without Marner we don't make it to the playoffs. Marner carried bums like Bozak and JVR all year. JVR finished with career high 62 points and Bozak finished with career high 55 points. Sure Werenski had a great season but he was being carried by strong teammates while Marner, Nylander, Matthews were carrying our whole team. Aside from Kadri to some extent no one helped out the 3 but themselves.

It's pathetic that some even think about trading Nylander or Marner. Even stupid redraft threads look awfully bad. Marner in his 1st season finished with 61 points. That is amazing and by far the most points scored by a rookie from 2015 so far. I will take that everyday.

 

[thewave]

Without Marner we don't make it to the playoffs. Marner carried bums like Bozak and JVR all year. JVR finished with career high 62 points and Bozak finished with career high 55 points. Sure Werenski had a great season but he was being carried by strong teammates while Marner, Nylander, Matthews were carrying our whole team. Aside from Kadri to some extent no one helped out the 3 but themselves.

It's pathetic that some even think about trading Nylander or Marner. Even stupid redraft threads look awfully bad. Marner in his 1st season finished with 61 points. That is amazing and by far the most points scored by a rookie from 2015 so far. I will take that everyday.

True and not true. 2/3 of the season JVR was great, Bozak another 2/3 easy and Mitch put in 2/3 himself. That 1/3 was pretty bad though and not production, the details. I think Babcock feels he can only shelter him so much, probably wanted that rumor we were trading back to get Werenski but it fell through.