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As best I can recall in 2015 I wasn't a fan of Strome and was completely undecided on Hanifin/Marner + more than fine with a reach to Provo/Barzal if Hunter thought that was the pick = more than fine with a trade back.

That being said- now completely sold on Marner. We're just scratching the surface with this kid. Going to be a star. Would not go back and take some one else.


Thaaaat being said- the dominoes on that trade back would be pretty huge. As much as it would suck to miss out on a talent like Marner I wouldn't be apposed to a version of reality where he's taken by the yotes, we trade back and our 2015 draft looks something like

8-Werenski
24-Larsson/Konecny
34-Dermott
38-Greenway/Sprong/Harkins/Guhle
58-Bracco/Kylington
 
Brewsky said:
LOL that actually sounds like something Glenn Healy would say...Eichel #2 no doubt about it.

To any outsiders lurking, please don't judge us Leafs fans by our worst kind.
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It's his opinion. Our apologists who worry about what non-Leafs fans think are "our worst kind".
 
In the hypothetical situation where Leafs would offer Marner to CBJ for Werenski today straight up, I'd bet Jackets would turn down the offer based on the value of a top pairing Dman much higher then a scoring winger.
 
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This is how I see it. Coyotes lost big on the Strome pick.
 
What a surprise. Mess taking pot shots at Marner and basically indirectly saying he doesnt like Marner and would have picked someone else

Marner>Injury prone Werenski
 
my name is Bob said:
I keep Marner 10 times out of 10. He's literally going to be a Kane level player.
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Yup...imagine if Chicago took one of the D taken a few spots behind Kane.

Their blueline would've been so stacked with Hickey or Alzner :sarcasm: Too bad they took yet another forward, I bet they regret it big time.
 
Leafs have time to find their Risto,Werenski,Provo,McAvoy etc. hopefully somewhere in the 1st round.

That's why we have Hunter.
 
WilliamNylander said:
Yup...imagine if Chicago took one of the D taken a few spots behind Kane.

Their blueline would've been so stacked with Hickey or Alzner :sarcasm: Too bad they took yet another forward, I bet they regret it big time.
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ummm, How does that answer even remotely make any sense?

The topic is a redraft and Werenski is available after seeing them play in the NHL a few years later. You're given the benefit of hindsight.

Leafs fans should know the value of a #1 D-man...The Oilers traded away Taylor Hall for a #2 D-man who isn't half as good as Werenski. Think about it.
 
stickty111 said:
What a surprise. Mess taking pot shots at Marner and basically indirectly saying he doesnt like Marner and would have picked someone else

Marner>Injury prone Werenski
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There is no criticism of Marner by suggesting a top pairing Dman like Werenski would now with hindsight be a better fit for the Leafs needs of shoring up their defense.

That is however predicated on the fact the Leafs finished last the year after drafting Marner and landed Auston Matthews. So that means the Leafs are now top heavy in young scoring forwards and weak in the organization on the blueline.

So in a redo and going back and changing the past based on future knowledge today then Werenski/Provorov/Hanifin a potential top pairing Dman balances the Leafs out better.

If you add a Werenski on D to your top 4 and bottom fill Marner's forward spot with Kapanen. Its not a criticism of Marner but a better team building fit by filling a much bigger hole on defense via a redo of past drafts. its the same premise of perhaps dealing Nylander for a top young Dman to fill a hole and trade from a position of strength to address a known weakness now.
 
Mess said:
There is no criticism of Marner by suggesting a top pairing Dman like Werenski would now with hindsight be a better fit for the Leafs needs of shoring up their defense.

That is however predicated on the fact the Leafs finished last the year after drafting Marner and landed Auston Matthews. So that means the Leafs are now top heavy in young scoring forwards and weak in the organization on the blueline.

So in a redo and going back and changing the past based on future knowledge today then Werenski/Provorov/Hanifin a potential top pairing Dman balances the Leafs out better.

If you add a Werenski on D to your top 4 and bottom fill Marner's forward spot with Kapanen. Its not a criticism of Marner but a better team building fit by filling a much bigger hole on defense via a redo of past drafts.
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Are you serious? Fill Marner's spot with Kapanen :biglaugh:. One guy has one point in 17 NHL games, the other just had a top 15 rookie season of all time for players under the age of 20.

Wow.
 
Kapanen isnt even 30% as good as Marner. Sorry but thats a downgrade. This isnt Barzal where you can fill with an average forward in Leivo and not look too bad. This is Marner who is a star in the making and cant be replaced.
 
Myopic said:
ummm, How it does answer even remotely make any sense?

The topic is a redraft and Werenski is available after seeing them play in the NHL a few years later.

Leafs fans should know the value of a #1 D-man...The Oilers traded away Taylor Hall for a #2 D-man who isn't half as good as Werenski. Think about it.
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You have literally seen Werenski or Provorov play one season in the NHL. Neither looked like a #1 and D-men are way harder to predict career-wise than forwards.

Its a lot like the Kane draft. Hickey and Alzner went 4 and 5. Marner went 4 in his draft, Provorov 7 and Werenski 8.

Lets pump the brakes on a redraft until those two D actually establish themselves as top pairing guys. Remember Werenski was 4th on Columbus in TOI/game.
 
Pi said:
Are you serious? Fill Marner's spot with Kapanen :biglaugh:. One guy has one point in 17 NHL games, the other just had a top 15 rookie season of all time for players under the age of 20.

Wow.
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Seems like another way just to show his sadness of Leafs not picking his favorite player
 
Myopic said:
ummm, How does that answer even remotely make any sense?

The topic is a redraft and Werenski is available after seeing them play in the NHL a few years later. You're given the benefit of hindsight.

Leafs fans should know the value of a #1 D-man...The Oilers traded away Taylor Hall for a #2 D-man who isn't half as good as Werenski. Think about it.
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Would hindsight have Strome still going to Arizona?
 
ACC1224 said:
Would hindsight have Strome still going to Arizona?
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Not with Werenski on the board...Strome hasn't played a full season in the NHL yet but I'd doubt he would be in the running for the Calder Trophy with Matthews & Werenski this year.

A true #1 center is highly valuable too. We just aren't sure if Strome is a #1 C yet.
 
Just compare Ekblad's rookie season to where he is now. Just because Werenski looked good 1st year doesnt mean he will continue to progress.
Funny how usually the forwards continue to progress but the d man stall, maybe building the defence is overrated?
Pens won last year because of their forward depth and had an average D core at best
 
stickty111 said:
Just compare Ekblad's rookie season to where he is now. Just because Werenski looked good 1st year doesnt mean he will continue to progress.
Funny how usually the forwards continue to progress but the d man stall, maybe building the defence is overrated?
Pens won last year because of their forward depth and had an average D core at best
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Exactly...one good year in sheltered minutes does not equal franchise D man.

Forwards are so much easier to project long-term. This thread is extremely premature.
 
Myopic said:
Not with Werenski on the board...Strome hasn't played in the NHL yet but I'd doubt he would be in the running for the Calder Trophy with Matthews & Werenski this year.

A true #1 center is highly valuable too.
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So if Werenski goes 3rd, doesn't Marner still go 4th?
 
Pi said:
Are you serious? Fill Marner's spot with Kapanen :biglaugh:. One guy has one point in 17 NHL games, the other just had a top 15 rookie season of all time for players under the age of 20.

Wow.
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You missed the point entirely. Leafs have organizational depth at wing in the organization and very little in terms of top 4 Dman.

Its not about Kappy being Marner's equal but rather the down grading of Marner to a Kapanen in order to add a potential top pairing Dman like Werenski upgrading the Dcore significantly.

Trading from a position of strength to address an area of need. Theoretically that could have been done simply at the 2015 draft by selecting differently is the point of the OP.
 
If we'd picked someone else, or moved that pick; we'd have the exact same thread right now saying we should have taken Marner. This thread is stupid, Marner is an elite forward, I don't wish we had anyone else.
 
ACC1224 said:
So if Werenski goes 3rd, doesn't Marner still go 4th?
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Leafs could have had any player in the draft not named McDavid,Eichel and Strome.
If Werenski goes 3rd, yes I believe Marner goes 4th.
I believe there were only 2 players that the Leafs would select instead of Marner.
 
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