Friedman: Red Wings interested in Dylan Cozens

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Why don't they try that then.
Because we don't have a good top 6 C, that's the problem. Thompson is playing wing right now and I'm not sure he'll fit in well with Cozens. Cozens was good on the wing when he was playing WC and his center was PLD.
 
Because we don't have a good top 6 C, that's the problem. Thompson is playing wing right now and I'm not sure he'll fit in well with Cozens. Cozens was good on the wing when he was playing WC and his center was PLD.
But if that's not a viable option it's not really a great backup plan surely.

Like, sure, if Buffalo could acquire a top 6C in some seperate trade that might solve it. But bottom line is if they don't view Cozens as a long-term center he might be expendable to them (especially with that contract) given the fact they have some pretty good youth/prospect depth on the wings.
 
I suspect you're right. The coaching change probably has SY re-evaluating everything before he makes any moves.
I suspect SY had laid out a couple different paths, the big two being the coach change the other being a big roster change (think block buster type trades) where several players from each team(s) change on teams searching for a better path.

Once on the change coach path was made, the player changes went on hold, I suspect for at least 10-15 games, maybe even closer to the TDL. TM is evaluating everyone to be sure, and I suspect showcasing some a little to show what other teams may be drag out of them, but if things keep rolling for the wings (win or lose, sop long as they are playing f___g hockey), the trade(s) may become smaller, if any happen at all.

Personally, I am expecting SY to make very few moves (maybe a goalie will be moved for the right price) by the TDL unless the wings come off the wheel completely, or at one of his players/coach meeting the team suggests they need some help. (last year the team said they wanted to try as as the team was composed).
 
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I suspect SY had laid out a couple different paths, the big two being the coach change the other being a big roster change (think block buster type trades) where several players from each team(s) change on teams searching for a better path.

Once on the change coach path was made, the player changes went on hold, I suspect for at least 10-15 games, maybe even closer to the TDL. TM is evaluating everyone to be sure, and I suspect showcasing some a little to show what other teams may be drag out of them, but if things keep rolling for the wings (win or lose, sop long as they are playing f___g hockey), the trade(s) may become smaller, if any happen at all.

Personally, I am expecting SY to make very few moves (maybe a goalie will be moved for the right price) by the TDL unless the wings come off the wheel completely, or at one of his players/coach meeting the team suggests they need some help. (last year the team said they wanted to try as as the team was composed).
Would agree 100%. I think the roster change was in the works before the Dylan Larkin postgame presser where he looked like he was on suicide watch or something. A trade could potentially still be there if things don't work out by the deadline, but things appear to definitely be on hold until further notice.
 
But if that's not a viable option it's not really a great backup plan surely.

Like, sure, if Buffalo could acquire a top 6C in some seperate trade that might solve it. But bottom line is if they don't view Cozens as a long-term center he might be expendable to them (especially with that contract) given the fact they have some pretty good youth/prospect depth on the wings.
There's a lot of young guys out there, but probably no one like Cozens, physical, athletic, and fast. I wouldn't mind trading him in a trade, but not giving him up cheap or for futures. I'd rather see him on the wing with a competent top 6 C than just trade him cheap.
 
There's a lot of young guys out there, but probably no one like Cozens, physical, athletic, and fast. I wouldn't mind trading him in a trade, but not giving him up cheap or for futures. I'd rather see him on the wing with a competent top 6 C than just trade him cheap.

If you're playing him as a wing, then what you just described exists in Ottawa and could end up being available for the right price, should they continue to struggle.

Who knows. That speculation pops up every few months, it seems.
 
There's a lot of young guys out there, but probably no one like Cozens, physical, athletic, and fast. I wouldn't mind trading him in a trade, but not giving him up cheap or for futures. I'd rather see him on the wing with a competent top 6 C than just trade him cheap.
That isn't a unique set of skills, bottom sixes are filled with those sorts of players and they aren't making 7m+ a year. Buffalo's only hope is he returns to form because as it stands, if he doesn't show improvement, he's just an overpaid 3rd line energy guy. They're great to have but tieing up that cap hit in them isn't something to take a chance on.
 
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That isn't a unique set of skills, bottom sixes are filled with those sorts of players and they aren't making 7m+ a year. Buffalo's only hope is he returns to form because as it stands, if he doesn't show improvement, he's just an overpaid 3rd line energy guy. They're great to have but tieing up that cap hit in them isn't something to take a chance on.
Well, I'm not interested in trading Cozens for cheap, so it's really better to hold on to him and hope he recovers.
 
The funny part of this entire thread is, they’ve probably been talking about Byrum, and NOT Cozens, all along.

He actually makes some sense for Detroit, because Seider and Edvinsson are so defensive oriented, and if Buffalo is not going to give him a long-term contract prior to the trade deadline, his pending arbitration rights this summer, change everything. It shifts all control to Byrum and his agent.

If he gets past the deadline with no new deal, he can start forcing his way out. Might take two years but he’ll enjoy the paydays during that time. At worst, he can use it to walk into UFA, but would push for a 1 year deal, because his qualifying offer would be ridiculous in the summer of 2026. He can also pull a Debrincat, and pick where he ultimately wants to go.

Ask Ottawa how a high-end player having those arbitration rights effects his trade value, that close to a player having UFA rights. Makes it even worse when the player really doesn’t want to be there, and that speculation already exists in Byrum’s case.

If he files for, and he will without a long term deal, it just opens up too many opportunities for him to force his way out.

He doesn’t owe Buffalo anything, and fans need to understand, he and his agent will use every option they have, to get him that long term, wealth contract, somewhere else. That speculation leaking about him wanting to be a #1, is no doubt already an agent leak.

So it’s really important Buffalo, and the Rangers with K’Andre Miller btw, gets the player signed before arbitration is within reach. Byrum especially though, would get a ridiculous award, due to all these teams handing wealth contracts to unproven Dmen his age or younger. With all of his particulars, he’s winning any arbitration hearing. Especially coming off of a bridge deal.

For Buffalo, it’s put up or shut up time regarding a contract. They’ve had a year now, to determine if he’s part of the long term plans or not. Maybe they’ve already been told he has no intention of signing that big deal in Buffalo, and he’ll just use arbitration, if he doesn’t get a short-term deal with a pretty hefty AAV.

He’s not gonna settle for anything, to help the Sabres. Not with arbitration rights looming this summer.

So Buffalo has to decide pretty quickly.
 
The funny part of this entire thread is, they’ve probably been talking about Byrum, and NOT Cozens, all along.

He actually makes some sense for Detroit, because Seider and Edvinsson are so defensive oriented, and if Buffalo is not going to give him a long-term contract prior to the trade deadline, his pending arbitration rights this summer, change everything. It shifts all control to Byrum and his agent.

If he gets past the deadline with no new deal, he can start forcing his way out. Might take two years but he’ll enjoy the paydays during that time. At worst, he can use it to walk into UFA, but would push for a 1 year deal, because his qualifying offer would be ridiculous in the summer of 2026. He can also pull a Debrincat, and pick where he ultimately wants to go.

Ask Ottawa how a high-end player having those arbitration rights effects his trade value, that close to a player having UFA rights. Makes it even worse when the player really doesn’t want to be there, and that speculation already exists in Byrum’s case.

If he files for, and he will without a long term deal, it just opens up too many opportunities for him to force his way out.

He doesn’t owe Buffalo anything, and fans need to understand, he and his agent will use every option they have, to get him that long term, wealth contract, somewhere else. That speculation leaking about him wanting to be a #1, is no doubt already an agent leak.

So it’s really important Buffalo, and the Rangers with K’Andre Miller btw, gets the player signed before arbitration is within reach. Byrum especially though, would get a ridiculous award, due to all these teams handing wealth contracts to unproven Dmen his age or younger. With all of his particulars, he’s winning any arbitration hearing. Especially coming off of a bridge deal.

For Buffalo, it’s put up or shut up time regarding a contract. They’ve had a year now, to determine if he’s part of the long term plans or not. Maybe they’ve already been told he has no intention of signing that big deal in Buffalo, and he’ll just use arbitration, if he doesn’t get a short-term deal with a pretty hefty AAV.

He’s not gonna settle for anything, to help the Sabres. Not with arbitration rights looming this summer.

So Buffalo has to decide pretty quickly.
The report literally said Cozens was almost traded to Detroit.
 
The funny part of this entire thread is, they’ve probably been talking about Byrum, and NOT Cozens, all along.

He actually makes some sense for Detroit, because Seider and Edvinsson are so defensive oriented, and if Buffalo is not going to give him a long-term contract prior to the trade deadline, his pending arbitration rights this summer, change everything. It shifts all control to Byrum and his agent.

If he gets past the deadline with no new deal, he can start forcing his way out. Might take two years but he’ll enjoy the paydays during that time. At worst, he can use it to walk into UFA, but would push for a 1 year deal, because his qualifying offer would be ridiculous in the summer of 2026. He can also pull a Debrincat, and pick where he ultimately wants to go.

Ask Ottawa how a high-end player having those arbitration rights effects his trade value, that close to a player having UFA rights. Makes it even worse when the player really doesn’t want to be there, and that speculation already exists in Byrum’s case.

If he files for, and he will without a long term deal, it just opens up too many opportunities for him to force his way out.

He doesn’t owe Buffalo anything, and fans need to understand, he and his agent will use every option they have, to get him that long term, wealth contract, somewhere else. That speculation leaking about him wanting to be a #1, is no doubt already an agent leak.

So it’s really important Buffalo, and the Rangers with K’Andre Miller btw, gets the player signed before arbitration is within reach. Byrum especially though, would get a ridiculous award, due to all these teams handing wealth contracts to unproven Dmen his age or younger. With all of his particulars, he’s winning any arbitration hearing. Especially coming off of a bridge deal.

For Buffalo, it’s put up or shut up time regarding a contract. They’ve had a year now, to determine if he’s part of the long term plans or not. Maybe they’ve already been told he has no intention of signing that big deal in Buffalo, and he’ll just use arbitration, if he doesn’t get a short-term deal with a pretty hefty AAV.

He’s not gonna settle for anything, to help the Sabres. Not with arbitration rights looming this summer.

So Buffalo has to decide pretty quickly.
Perfect, so now we can pivot from Buffalo has no leverage and has to trade Cozens for pennies on the dollar to Buffalo has no leverage and has to trade Byram for pennies on the dollar. I'm detecting a theme here. Buffalo gets bent over and the Red Wings reap the benefits.
 
Perfect, so now we can pivot from Buffalo has no leverage and has to trade Cozens for pennies on the dollar to Buffalo has no leverage and has to trade Byram for pennies on the dollar. I'm detecting a theme here. Buffalo gets bent over and the Red Wings reap the benefits.

Not really. Byram is doing well and holding, if not increasing his value.

... Cozens is not.
 
The funny part of this entire thread is, they’ve probably been talking about Byrum, and NOT Cozens, all along.
Not what national media has said
He actually makes some sense for Detroit, because Seider and Edvinsson are so defensive oriented, and if Buffalo is not going to give him a long-term contract prior to the trade deadline, his pending arbitration rights this summer, change everything. It shifts all control to Byrum and his agent.
I believe Byram has team control until july 2028. The issue if sd somehow hrs not resigning is false. Arbitration isnt going to get him much more than a QO.
If he gets past the deadline with no new deal, he can start forcing his way out. Might take two years but he’ll enjoy the paydays during that time. At worst, he can use it to walk into UFA, but would push for a 1 year deal, because his qualifying offer would be ridiculous in the summer of 2026. He can also pull a Debrincat, and pick where he ultimately wants to go.

Ask Ottawa how a high-end player having those arbitration rights effects his trade value, that close to a player having UFA rights. Makes it even worse when the player really doesn’t want to be there, and that speculation already exists in Byrum’s case.

If he files for, and he will without a long term deal, it just opens up too many opportunities for him to force his way out.
There is nothing to force.
He doesn’t owe Buffalo anything, and fans need to understand, he and his agent will use every option they have, to get him that long term, wealth contract, somewhere else. That speculation leaking about him wanting to be a #1, is no doubt already an agent leak.

So it’s really important Buffalo, and the Rangers with K’Andre Miller btw, gets the player signed before arbitration is within reach. Byrum especially though, would get a ridiculous award, due to all these teams handing wealth contracts to unproven Dmen his age or younger. With all of his particulars, he’s winning any arbitration hearing. Especially coming off of a bridge deal.

For Buffalo, it’s put up or shut up time regarding a contract. They’ve had a year now, to determine if he’s part of the long term plans or not. Maybe they’ve already been told he has no intention of signing that big deal in Buffalo, and he’ll just use arbitration, if he doesn’t get a short-term deal with a pretty hefty AAV.

He’s not gonna settle for anything, to help the Sabres. Not with arbitration rights looming this summer.

So Buffalo has to decide pretty quickly.
Hes not a UFA for 3 yrs
 
Perfect, so now we can pivot from Buffalo has no leverage and has to trade Cozens for pennies on the dollar to Buffalo has no leverage and has to trade Byram for pennies on the dollar. I'm detecting a theme here. Buffalo gets bent over and the Red Wings reap the benefits.
If they don’t sign him to a long term contract by the deadline, are you not giving him a straight path to arbitration??? Of course you are.

This is why teams don’t let high end players make it to arbitration. Because they lose leverage.

I know we all want to pretend players all want to do the right thing by the team, but he’s almost 24. Buffalo has had him for a year to determine if he’s part of the plan or not. If he is, pay him. If he’s not, trade him somewhere who will pay him.

That’s how players view this.

Once they have arbitration rights, the team does lose leverage, and his trade value is effected negatively IF you’re not willing to sign him to a wealth contract.

That’s just reality. We would all do it too. We’d use arbitration to get ourselves paid, up until other teams can have that same chance to pay us. Can they avoid arbitration with a short term deal? Sure, but they’ll still be paying him a hefty price, leading him straight into being an unrestricted free agent in 2 years.

This isn’t anything new. The Sabres new the day they acquired him, they’d have a year to figure it out.
 
If they don’t sign him to a long term contract by the deadline, are you not giving him a straight path to arbitration??? Of course you are.

This is why teams don’t let high end players make it to arbitration. Because they lose leverage.

I know we all want to pretend players all want to do the right thing by the team, but he’s almost 24. Buffalo has had him for a year to determine if he’s part of the plan or not. If he is, pay him. If he’s not, trade him somewhere who will pay him.

That’s how players view this.

Once they have arbitration rights, the team does lose leverage, and his trade value is effected negatively IF you’re not willing to sign him to a wealth contract.

That’s just reality. We would all do it too. We’d use arbitration to get ourselves paid, up until other teams can have that same chance to pay us. Can they avoid arbitration with a short term deal? Sure, but they’ll still be paying him a hefty price, leading him straight into being an unrestricted free agent in 2 years.

This isn’t anything new. The Sabres new the day they acquired him, they’d have a year to figure it out.
Your whole premise hinges on Byram being unhappy to be in Buffalo and that he'll "start forcing his way out" as soon as he's able. Which is a possibility or it could be dead wrong. You really have nothing to substantiate this other than some vague rumblings about his unhappiness in his role here. Right now I believe the Sabres have 2 more years of control over Byram after this season and I've seen no indication they are unwilling to give him a long-term deal and I dont think even if it goes to arbitration its an indication he's trying to force his way out. He's seen his role significantly grow since coming to Buffalo and he's having a career year statistically as well. Coming here has made him a boatload of money on his next contract. I'm really having a hard time believing he has some huge issue with his role here, but this isn't something we as fans have any knowledge of. So could you be right? Sure. I was simply pointing out that your general theme in any of these threads between Buffalo and Detroit seem to revolve around the Sabres having their balls in a vice and Detroit having the upper hand in any negotiations that might occur between the two teams.
 
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Your whole premise hinges on Byram being unhappy to be in Buffalo and that he'll "start forcing his way out" as soon as he's able. Which is a possibility or it could be dead wrong. You really have nothing to substantiate this other than some vague rumblings about his unhappiness in his role here. Right now I believe the Sabres have 2 more years of control over Byram after this season and I've seen no indication they are unwilling to give him a long-term deal and I dont think even if it goes to arbitration its an indication he's trying to force his way out. He's seen his role significantly grow since coming to Buffalo and he's having a career year statistically as well. Coming here has made him a boatload of money on his next contract. I'm really having a hard time believing he has some huge issue with his role here, but this isn't something we as fans have any knowledge of. So could you be right? Sure. I was simply pointing out that your general theme in any of these threads between Buffalo and Detroit seem to revolve around the Sabres having their balls in a vice and Detroit having the upper hand in any negotiations that might occur between the two teams.
That or he might see that with Buffalo already committing nearly $20M/yr on a pair of offensive LD that his role as another more offensively than defensively oriented LD will likely not be as profitable for him moving forward. I'm not saying this as a "I want the Wings to fleece Byram from Buffalo" because there are other names I'd prefer merely as a reply to the premise of Byram has no reason to want to leave. He has many millions of reasons. That or Adams truly is dumb and will dump $26M+ into three offensive LDs.
 
That or he might see that with Buffalo already committing nearly $20M/yr on a pair of offensive LD that his role as another more offensively than defensively oriented LD will likely not be as profitable for him moving forward. I'm not saying this as a "I want the Wings to fleece Byram from Buffalo" because there are other names I'd prefer merely as a reply to the premise of Byram has no reason to want to leave. He has many millions of reasons. That or Adams truly is dumb and will dump $26M+ into three offensive LDs.
Adams won't decide anything here at all, whatever the owner says, that's what he'll do. If Pegula wants to extend Byram and keep three PMDs, Adams will do so.
 
That or he might see that with Buffalo already committing nearly $20M/yr on a pair of offensive LD that his role as another more offensively than defensively oriented LD will likely not be as profitable for him moving forward. I'm not saying this as a "I want the Wings to fleece Byram from Buffalo" because there are other names I'd prefer merely as a reply to the premise of Byram has no reason to want to leave. He has many millions of reasons. That or Adams truly is dumb and will dump $26M+ into three offensive LDs.
Right now Buffalo needs to keep good players. Byram is a good player and he's just entering his prime. So from that perspective It's a no brainer to keep Byram. I've already highlighted why coming here has been very profitable for him. He's playing huge minutes here and he's producing. He's going to make bank on his next contract. Now Could there be a better role for him somewhere else in the league? I suppose, but isn't that the case with a lot players in the league that are on bad teams or buried on good teams? It'll almost certainly come down to money and Buffalo isn't in a cap crunch by any means. Now the caveat being Buffalo absolutely needs to consider proper roster building. They could absolutely use a top 6 center, they desperately need a good defensive defenseman preferably one who's a righty. If thats the target then moving Byram makes some sense. I realize that in order to get other teams good pieces my team will also have to part with good pieces. I'd also add the LHD angle is a bit overplayed. Dahlin plays the right side even if he's a lefty and Byram has played a lot with Dahlin. He's a top pairing defenseman on this team even if he doesn't get huge PP minutes, how much more of a role does Byram expect?
 
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That or he might see that with Buffalo already committing nearly $20M/yr on a pair of offensive LD that his role as another more offensively than defensively oriented LD will likely not be as profitable for him moving forward. I'm not saying this as a "I want the Wings to fleece Byram from Buffalo" because there are other names I'd prefer merely as a reply to the premise of Byram has no reason to want to leave. He has many millions of reasons. That or Adams truly is dumb and will dump $26M+ into three offensive LDs.
Except Dahlin plays RD...
 

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