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RD Timothy Liljegren - Ex-Rogle BK, SHL (2017, 17th, TOR) III

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zeke said:
But let's be clear about what's happened so far - in the only event since draft day, this wjc summer series, Liljegren looked as good as or better than the other elite prospect dmen.

which is exactly what leafs fans were expecting, and not what leafs haters were expecting.
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It always looks that way through blue-tinted glasses. The kind you look through when you extrapolate 1 goal and 4 assists in a season into Erik Karlsson. If only scouting were so easy as comparing numbers at the same age.
 
JAS 39 Gripen said:
I know people that watch him a lot, and thats is a concern of theirs. Each time that I've watched him, it's something I've seen as well
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And I've read comments from Swedish fans who watch him a lot that say its not a concern and coming back from mono too soon was the issue.

Again, sounds more like an HF narrative from select users than what people who actually watch him think. When pressed to back this up it always turns into "IMO" or "I heard so and so...".

I saw none of the massive IQ issues some of you guys profess at the WJSS so maybe he got magically "smarter" since the draft or maybe he's returning to his pre-mono top ranked D prospect form. Wonder which is more likely...
 
BruinsBtn said:
It always looks that way through blue-tinted glasses. The kind you look through when you extrapolate 1 goal and 4 assists in a season into Erik Karlsson. If only scouting were so easy as comparing numbers at the same age.
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I have literally not seen this. I have seen fans saying they are no longer worried about the IQ concerns and that his defensive play is better than advertised while his offense is over stated.
 
BruinsBtn said:
It always looks that way through blue-tinted glasses. The kind you look through when you extrapolate 1 goal and 4 assists in a season into Erik Karlsson. If only scouting were so easy as comparing numbers at the same age.
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anyone who watched these games saw he was one of the best dmen there, right alongside the other elite ones.

and that's the only thing we've seen since draft day.
 
zeke said:
anyone who watched these games saw he was one of the best dmen there, right alongside the other elite ones.

and that's the only thing we've seen since draft day.
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Jesus :laugh: he played 4 games in a completely irrelevant tournament. pump. the. breaks.
 
By age 17

SHL

Larsson: 61gms, 4gls, 18pts (82gms, 5gls, 24pts)
Liljegren: 38gms, 2gls, 10pts (82gms, 4gls, 22pts)
*Dahlin: 40gms, 4gls, 8pts (82gms, 8gls, 16pts)* (up to age 16 only)
Brannstrom: 38gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 2gls, 13pts)
Hedman: 44gms, 3gls, 5pts (82gms, 6gls, 9pts)
Karlsson: 13gms, 1gls, 1pts (82gms, 6gls, 6pts)

Superelit

Karlsson: 53gms, 16gls, 48pts (82gms, 25gls, 74pts)
Brannstrom: 70gms, 20gls, 60pts (82gms, 23gls, 70pts)
*Dahlin: 26gms, 9gls, 22pts (82gms, 28gls, 69pts)* (up to age 16 only)
Liljegren: 47gms, 14gls, 37pts (82gms, 24gls, 65pts)
Hedman: 58gms, 18gls, 33pts (82gms, 26gls, 47pts)
Larsson: 35gms, 3gls, 19pts (82gms, 7gls, 45pts)


Brannstrom and Liljegren are so underrated it's hilarious. How they didn't go top 5 in this weak draft is beyond me.
 
zeke said:
By age 17

SHL

Larsson: 61gms, 4gls, 18pts (82gms, 5gls, 24pts)
Liljegren: 38gms, 2gls, 10pts (82gms, 4gls, 22pts)
*Dahlin: 40gms, 4gls, 8pts (82gms, 8gls, 16pts)* (up to age 16 only)
Brannstrom: 38gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 2gls, 13pts)
Hedman: 44gms, 3gls, 5pts (82gms, 6gls, 9pts)
Karlsson: 13gms, 1gls, 1pts (82gms, 6gls, 6pts)

Superelit

Karlsson: 53gms, 16gls, 48pts (82gms, 25gls, 74pts)
Brannstrom: 70gms, 20gls, 60pts (82gms, 23gls, 70pts)
*Dahlin: 26gms, 9gls, 22pts (82gms, 28gls, 69pts)* (up to age 16 only)
Liljegren: 47gms, 14gls, 37pts (82gms, 24gls, 65pts)
Hedman: 58gms, 18gls, 33pts (82gms, 26gls, 47pts)
Larsson: 35gms, 3gls, 19pts (82gms, 7gls, 45pts)


Brannstrom and Liljegren are so underrated it's hilarious. How they didn't go top 5 in this weak draft is beyond me.
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The potential answers to this question:
A. It wasn't a weak draft, it was underrated because the top end talent wasn't near the past 2 years.
B. It was a weak draft and these 2 are actually being overrated because of it
C. in scouts minds, there were better players, and defenseman available.
 
zharkenby said:
The potential answers to this question:
A. It wasn't a weak draft, it was underrated because the top end talent wasn't near the past 2 years.
B. It was a weak draft and these 2 are actually being overrated because of it
C. in scouts minds, there were better players, and defenseman available.
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D. they missed the boat, and somehow rated prospects comparable to the likes of Matt Duchene as #1/2 when they had a bunch of dmen putting up historic comps with elite skillsets.
 
zharkenby said:
The potential answers to this question:
A. It wasn't a weak draft, it was underrated because the top end talent wasn't near the past 2 years.
B. It was a weak draft and these 2 are actually being overrated because of it
C. in scouts minds, there were better players, and defenseman available.
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D. Scouts consider more than points, and an important consideration is how players translate their talent and style to the NHL.
 
Sojourn said:
D. Scouts consider more than points, and an important consideration is how players translate their talent and style to the NHL.
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I thought in this random small tournament in the summer that Liljegren was good at helping create offense for his team and that he was solid defensively. What else could we want?
 
WTFMAN99 said:
I thought in this random small tournament in the summer that Liljegren was good at helping create offense for his team and that he was solid defensively. What else could we want?
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I was responding to the post which was giving potential reasons why Liljegren and Brannstrom didn't go top 5. This tournament isn't really relevant to that.

Even if it were, it would be extremely foolish for scouts to let such a short tournament heavily influence their opinion.

I think Toronto fans have every reason to be excited about his play in the tournament, but that's a different discussion entirely.
 
zeke said:
D. they missed the boat, and somehow rated prospects comparable to the likes of Matt Duchene as #1/2 when they had a bunch of dmen putting up historic comps with elite skillsets.
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E. Scouts had a very hard time believing that there were three amazing D prospects coming out of Sweden at the same time. Therefore they undervalued 2 of them (Brannstrom and Liljegren) and valued one appropriately (Dahlin). This was easier because neither Brannstrom or Liljegren played for the U20-WJC team, and they both played for a U18-WJC team that could not score.
 
Annnnd now Liljegren should've gone top 5...

Okiiiie

I know it was just one/a couple people who said that. I'm not generalizing the Leafs fanbase
 
FerklundCGY said:
Annnnd now Liljegren should've gone top 5...

Okiiiie

I know it was just one/a couple people who said that. I'm not generalizing the Leafs fanbase
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Aside from zeke, no one has Liljegren or Brannstrom in their top 5.

edit: Never mind didn't see that last line.
 
biotk said:
E. Scouts had a very hard time believing that there were three amazing D prospects coming out of Sweden at the same time. Therefore they undervalued 2 of them (Brannstrom and Liljegren) and valued one appropriately (Dahlin). This was easier because neither Brannstrom or Liljegren played for the U20-WJC team, and they both played for a U18-WJC team that could not score.
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Brannstrom was the key I think. He was undersized and came out of nowhere and they just couldn't move him up that fast. And since he looked as good or better than Liljegren this year, Liljegren also fell as a result.

and yeah....never understimate how much scouts get swayed by single tourneys. The WJC has been responsible for more over and under-rated prospects than any other single element of prospect evaluation.
 
Sojourn said:
I was responding to the post which was giving potential reasons why Liljegren and Brannstrom didn't go top 5. This tournament isn't really relevant to that.

Even if it were, it would be extremely foolish for scouts to let such a short tournament heavily influence their opinion.

I think Toronto fans have every reason to be excited about his play in the tournament, but that's a different discussion entirely.
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Yeah was just my view from the recent tournament. Better that he started off strong this year then not right?
 
Sojourn said:
Definitely.
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I don't want to pump his tires too much in other threads etc but my own opinion is that Liljegren's drop was related to 2 things. Other draftables really upped their games and the mono.

Having had mono, it will definitely make things foggy and cloud your decision making. You have a lot of fatigue. You'll lose weight (I dropped like 25-30 lbs) and I slept 20-22 of 24 hours a day and didn't eat for like a month.

I think that fooled scouts about Liljegren and we're seeing that he isn't that player that had a rough 3 months. I don't think he's on a Dahlin level or anything but he *could* end up a top pairing guy.

Years to go to though and growing pains because defense is not easy to play.
 
Liked the pick at the time but he's a frustrating player to watch. He's either making a great play or throwing the puck away every shift. Skates himself into traffic way too much and has tunnel vision on almost every rush. Good shot and skating tho
 
DieTomi said:
Liked the pick at the time but he's a frustrating player to watch. He's either making a great play or throwing the puck away every shift. Skates himself into traffic way too much and has tunnel vision on almost every rush. Good shot and skating tho
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You're basing this off of what exactly? Your analysis, presumably based off of the wjss games, is pretty terrible. I saw him move the puck up the ice effectively. Good players will drive the play into HD areas, and he did it maybe 3 or 4 times in the entire tournament.
 
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