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RD Timothy Liljegren - Ex-Rogle BK, SHL (2017, 17th, TOR) III

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AppsSyl said:
Zeke isn't the only Leaf fan that thinks Liljegren should have went top 5. Thre are fans from other fanbases that likely feel he should have as well. If one is of the belief that his lack of improvement this past season stemmed from the mono and then the hip injury shortly after, of course in their minds he is still going to be viewed as top 5 talent. Prior to those things he was ranked 2nd or 3rd on pretty much every single list.

How is this view any different from a Devils fan's view that Hischier's large drop in production was the result of a minor wrist injury? In one case it is excusable and in the other it isn't?

The fact that Liljegren in both development camp and the WJSS has shown signs of him being his old self, and playing like top 5 talent (outperforming #4 Makar, #5 Pettersson and #6 Glass at the WJSS) further supports the belief that his season was mired in a series of unfortunate events, which caused a stagnation in his progression.

We will all see this season, and I wouldn't bet against him.
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It's different because hischier worked his way up to the top of the draft board while liljegren plummeted down ....... Is this the answer you were looking for or am I missing something
 
Man Bear Pig said:
You mean when it was the consensus that he was a top 3 pick, potentially the #1 pick?
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Ahain, falling as far as he did he clearly did not show enough to sell scouts on him. I can almost guarantee you if the leafs were picking in the top 15 they would've went a different direction with the pick
 
zharkenby said:
It's different because hischier worked his way up to the top of the draft board while liljegren plummeted down ....... Is this the answer you were looking for or am I missing something
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It doesn't matter where they were on the draft board. My point was that you keep saying that Liljegren's mono and hip injury are not the reasons that his trajectory stagnated, while there are obviously a number of other people who think they were the reasons.

My question which you did not answer (reading comprehension as you put it to another poster) was, why does it not seem ok that Liljegren's mono and hip injury are reasons for his curbed trajectory this past season, but it is ok for Hischier supporters to point to a minor wrist injury as an excuse for him dropping over 0.6 ppg over the last two plus months of the season?

As you can see that has nothing to do with draft position, it has to do with double standards by certain posters.
 
zharkenby said:
Ahain, falling as far as he did he clearly did not show enough to sell scouts on him. I can almost guarantee you if the leafs were picking in the top 15 they would've went a different direction with the pick
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How can you almost guarantee that, especially when you had him 7th OA in your mock?

I think there are much greater odds that you are wrong, given his skillset, our system, his position as a RHD, and his upside.
 
zharkenby said:
Ahain, falling as far as he did he clearly did not show enough to sell scouts on him. I can almost guarantee you if the leafs were picking in the top 15 they would've went a different direction with the pick
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You can prove this how exactly?

Did you not have him in the top 10 of your mock draft?
 
zharkenby said:
Ahain, falling as far as he did he clearly did not show enough to sell scouts on him. I can almost guarantee you if the leafs were picking in the top 15 they would've went a different direction with the pick
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I can almost guarantee the devils would have taken him top 5 if they didn't win the lottery. I can almost guarantee their scouts were sold on him.
 
zharkenby said:
It's different because hischier worked his way up to the top of the draft board while liljegren plummeted down ....... Is this the answer you were looking for or am I missing something
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I don't think Liljegren was a top 5 talent and I don't think his season is 100% explained away by his health, but your reasoning is circular.
 
AppsSyl said:
It doesn't matter where they were on the draft board. My point was that you keep saying that Liljegren's mono and hip injury are not the reasons that his trajectory stagnated, while there are obviously a number of other people who think they were the reasons.

My question which you did not answer (reading comprehension as you put it to another poster) was, why does it not seem ok that Liljegren's mono and hip injury are reasons for his curbed trajectory this past season, but it is ok for Hischier supporters to point to a minor wrist injury as an excuse for him dropping over 0.6 ppg over the last two plus months of the season?

As you can see that has nothing to do with draft position, it has to do with double standards by certain posters.
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Bro I myself and others have explained this to you soooooo may time I would think you'd get it by now. Scouts clearly believed the hip injury and mono didn't fully tamper with liljegren, and that there were holes in his fame regardless. Meanwhile, they were sold on hischier because of his dominance all season, and because he more or less proved he was the best u20 player in the world not in the NHL at wjc. Please stop bringing that up as an argument, it's making you look bad. One rose the other fell.
 
zharkenby said:
Ahain, falling as far as he did he clearly did not show enough to sell scouts on him. I can almost guarantee you if the leafs were picking in the top 15 they would've went a different direction with the pick
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Seriously you don't have to post 500 times if all you're doing is falling back onto appealing to authorities. We all know where was drafted so if that is what you're stuck on there is nothing left for you to say here.
 
zharkenby said:
Bro I myself and others have explained this to you soooooo may time I would think you'd get it by now. Scouts clearly believed the hip injury and mono didn't fully tamper with liljegren, and that there were holes in his fame regardless. Meanwhile, they were sold on hischier because of his dominance all season, and because he more or less proved he was the best u20 player in the world not in the NHL at wjc. Please stop bringing that up as an argument, it's making you look bad. One rose the other fell.
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Bro this is a debate that he should have been drafted higher bro. The fact that scouting bros drafted the hockey bro at 17 is not an argument for this context, it is specifically what is being debated bro.

It's like saying a box of cereal shouldn't cost $50 but your annoying bro says it should cause he saw one that costs $50 once. That doesn't mean it SHOULD cost $50 bro.
 
MrVisser said:
Bro this is a debate that he should have been drafted higher bro. The fact that scouting bros drafted the hockey bro at 17 is not an argument for this context, it is specifically what is being debated bro.

It's like saying a box of cereal shouldn't cost $50 but your annoying bro says it should cause he saw one that costs $50 once. That doesn't mean it SHOULD cost $50 bro.
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This is the worst post in the thread lol. There hasn't been a single meaningful hockey game played since the draft, so for now he was drafted exactly where he was supposed to be. Nothing more too it, it's just dumb to argue he should've gone higher right now.

And for the incoming world junior showcase argument, brannstrom looked miles ahead of liljegren
 
zharkenby said:
This is the worst post in the thread lol. There hasn't been a single meaningful hockey game played since the draft, so for now he was drafted exactly where he was supposed to be. Nothing more too it, it's just dumb to argue he should've gone higher right now.

And for the incoming world junior showcase argument, brannstrom looked miles ahead of liljegren
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Bro, scouting bros can be wrong. It's ok to disagree with them and argue that they made the wrong choice bro. It's even stupider to come into a discussion forum and just use appeal to authority as your only argument bro. That there is the stupid stuff bro.

My bro AppsSyl made a really good point and you dismissed it to appeal to authority. Conversation over bro gg
 
MrVisser said:
Bro, scouting bros can be wrong. It's ok to disagree with them and argue that they made the wrong choice bro. It's even stupider to come into a discussion forum and just use appeal to authority as your only argument bro. That there is the stupid stuff bro.

My bro AppsSyl made a really good point and you dismissed it to appeal to authority. Conversation over bro gg
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Ya bro
 
zharkenby said:
This is the worst post in the thread lol. There hasn't been a single meaningful hockey game played since the draft, so for now he was drafted exactly where he was supposed to be. Nothing more too it, it's just dumb to argue he should've gone higher right now.

And for the incoming world junior showcase argument, brannstrom looked miles ahead of liljegren
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no, the worst post in the thread was this one.
zharkenby said:
Ahain, falling as far as he did he clearly did not show enough to sell scouts on him. I can almost guarantee you if the leafs were picking in the top 15 they would've went a different direction with the pick
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seriously bro, I almost guarantee its the worst.
 
PittsburghHustlers said:
Liljegren didn't really have a good u18. He was outplayed by Brannstrom. That said, I like his tools and he has all the talent in the world to become a great player. Right now I wouldn't consider him a top 5 d prospect tho. Classic boom bust.
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I'm starting to think it's the opposite. The floor is very high, but I think there are questions about the ceiling. He may not have the best offensive creativity, at least compared to his physical tools, but those physical tools almost guarantee him some sort of NHL career. Personally, can't see him ending up worse than a Jake Gardiner, which I'd be pretty happy to score a RH version of at this point in the draft.
 
zharkenby said:
Bro I myself and others have explained this to you soooooo may time I would think you'd get it by now. Scouts clearly believed the hip injury and mono didn't fully tamper with liljegren, and that there were holes in his fame regardless. Meanwhile, they were sold on hischier because of his dominance all season, and because he more or less proved he was the best u20 player in the world not in the NHL at wjc. Please stop bringing that up as an argument, it's making you look bad. One rose the other fell.
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Lol. Except for the last 3 months, bro, when it mattered most.

Is this post of yours in the link below the root of all this Liljegren hate? It seems to coincide when you began heavily trolling Liljegren. I think you should let it go.

June 26th
"Still so excited about this pick. Also I can't stand the main board anymore. Are we sure we got this guy at 10A or did the leafs pick first again and take liljegren. The hype trains lost its brakes on him haha. It bothers me that he's been at the top of the board for the past few days and no one is talking about Nico/Nolan"

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=133951371&highlight=liljegren#post133951371
 
FinnishSniper said:
Exactly. And he is not even close. Heiskanen, Makar and Brännström are MILES better than him.
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Tbh I was not fully sold on Heiskanen being the best at draft day, but now I am. I like Brännström very much, he'll be a good offensive Dman at the very least. His puck skills and wrist shot are great.
 
AppsSyl said:
Lol. Except for the last 3 months, bro, when it mattered most.

Is this post of yours in the link below the root of all this Liljegren hate? It seems to coincide when you began heavily trolling Liljegren. I think you should let it go.

June 26th
"Still so excited about this pick. Also I can't stand the main board anymore. Are we sure we got this guy at 10A or did the leafs pick first again and take liljegren. The hype trains lost its brakes on him haha. It bothers me that he's been at the top of the board for the past few days and no one is talking about Nico/Nolan"

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=133951371&highlight=liljegren#post133951371
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Jealousy, frankly it's pathetic and childish.
 
zharkenby said:
Bro I myself and others have explained this to you soooooo may time I would think you'd get it by now. Scouts clearly believed the hip injury and mono didn't fully tamper with liljegren, and that there were holes in his fame regardless. Meanwhile, they were sold on hischier because of his dominance all season, and because he more or less proved he was the best u20 player in the world not in the NHL at wjc. Please stop bringing that up as an argument, it's making you look bad. One rose the other fell.
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You had Liljegren in your top 10 mock draft and changed your tune as soon as the Leafs picked him.

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