RD Simon Nemec (2022, 2nd, NJD)

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Actually yes, too much time spent without going onto the next level to progress their game.
Agree to disagree. Playing top line minutes in many situations in the AHL vs sheltered 3rd pair minutes in the NHL is a positive not a negative. Get a player comfortable making plays and holding onto the puck.
Im a Columbus fan and many of us wish they were doing the same with Jiricek. If a player stagnates at 19 in the AHL he better take a look in the mirror
 
Actually yes, too much time spent without going onto the next level to progress their game.
Nemec is 19 years old and is in his D+2. He will most likely be full time with the team before the end of the season.

Even if it’s at the start of next season (which will most likely not happen), he’ll be 20 and will have followed the same path their other top D prospect, Luke Hughes, has followed.

This is all such an exaggeration. There is no problem with Nemec working on his craft in the AHL in his D+2 at 19. It’s not like he’s 23.

An article even came out a few days ago from Utica’s beat writer where Nemec himself mentions that he still has some stuff to work on.

Agree to disagree. Playing top line minutes in many situations in the AHL vs sheltered 3rd pair minutes in the NHL is a positive not a negative. Get a player comfortable making plays and holding onto the puck.
Im a Columbus fan and many of us wish they were doing the same with Jiricek. If a player stagnates at 19 in the AHL he better take a look in the mirror
Spot on. Anyway, Nemec will most likely end the season with the team. He’s 19 for crying out loud, I really don’t get this stuff lol.
 
What do you think about Ristolainen, Boqvist, and Seider?

Age during 1st NHL Game:

Ristolainen: 18 years 340 days
Boqvist: 19 years 79 days
Seider: 20 years 191 days

Juolevi, Sandin, Honka…

Not even sure what the point of your response is:
Sandin: 19 years 209 days
Honka: 20 years 356 days
Juolevi: 22 years 94 days

Nemec currently:
19 years 267 days

Do you think Nemec isn’t going to play in the NHL until he’s 22? 21?

I’m guessing he makes it while he’s still 19.
 
Actually yes, too much time spent without going onto the next level to progress their game.
That logic is dubious at best. The more likely scenario is that European defenseman who struggle to graduate from the AHL do so because they don't adapt well with less time and space. Often times this is guys with mediocre skating, like Honka and Juolevi.

There are plenty of NHL defenseman who came over from Europe and spent lots of time in the AHL.
 
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That logic is dubious at best. The more likely scenario is that European defenseman who struggle to graduate from the AHL do so because they don't adapt well with less time and space. Often times this is guys with mediocre skating, like Honka and Juolevi.

There are plenty of NHL defenseman who came over from Europe and spent lots of time in the AHL.
Juolevi is a better skater then Nemec
 
Juolevi is a better skater then Nemec
When you are trying to troll, you will look like an idiot when player will start to fire. Nemec was great previous season, he was great this preseason and he is 19yo. Everybody understand the situation, and the moment when you will start to think about yourself as an idiot is already on the timeline.

Or you can start to watch his game, admit his bright parts of the game and admit your foolishness.
 
I don't see the reason to worry about Nemec. When he was drafted by New Jersey, it seemed obvious to me that he was going to play 2 years in the AHL, following the Luke Hughes case. I could hardly see NJ launching Hughes and Nemec at the same time.

In the AHL more than elsewhere, points don't mean much. If the project is to develop defensive abilities, which happens very often for a defensive prospect, the progress will not be seen in the point column.
 
That logic is dubious at best. The more likely scenario is that European defenseman who struggle to graduate from the AHL do so because they don't adapt well with less time and space. Often times this is guys with mediocre skating, like Honka and Juolevi.

There are plenty of NHL defenseman who came over from Europe and spent lots of time in the AHL.
Take this in a good way. This doesn't have to mean you are wrong in anything else, but...
Juolevi wasn't that bad of a skater before his injuries? Ask London Knight fans if you don't trust me regarding OJ.
Honka? You are so wrong here and just spitting lies. One of his strengths and actually his brothers too was their skating. It wasn't great perhaps but no weakness whatsoever and probably good or good enough. Just ask Dallas fans themselves. Honka seemed to decline when he didn't get the opportunity. When it came to the Honka brothers it was always the IQ and- or the competing level.

I mean you can twist and turn things as well. Heinola was better than all Canadians and North American D's at the WJC's, I mean big time. Offensively he's been ready for a while but sometimes the wrong franchise draft them and they need to stay behind or wait too long for their opportunity. That is and will always be a factor for young players to take the next step.
I mean Ristolainen was never close to neither Heinola or Niemelä at the same age. These other two had IQ and finesse on a whole other level. But... None of them have made it yet. When it comes to Heinola I blame the Jets big time. Niemelä has to fight against other decent and young D's but he will probably and eventually make it.

If you want to make a valid argument then do your research and don't claim things just because you want to be right in another debate. Can't understand why people liked that comment, guess they never saw these players (Honka & Juolevi) actually play when they were 17-20 years old.
Cheers.

Edit: Also, Nemec has talent and will most likely make it. Though I was always a lot more high on Jiricek, especially offensively and when it came to early success. But I guess that's somewhat irrelevant.
But again, don't underestimate the fact that some talents need more confidence and time even if they have more potential in the end. Dahlin comes to mind, he pretty much sucked at times and I still think he can very inconsistent in his efforts. Sloppy with the puck etc. But that doesn't exclude the fact that he can be a difference maker in the end and has some brilliance in him. Also, it doesn't mean the AHL would've been better for him.
My point, try to dump that black or white perspective. It's too simple. Every individual is unique, just like every franchise can be. You guys can compare all you want but don't try to fool yourselves that you know everything and so on.
 
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Still no games in the NHL. So Kurchinski, Mintyukov, Jiricek have passed him from the defense side? And a lot of forwards already. Arizona surpassing New Jersey in player development? Next thing will be them preventing him from captaining the WJC team.
 
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Just because a player is in NHL doesn't mean they are better.
Yet, I was told that NJ was too deep for Nemec to crack the lineup or play any significant amount of games. They are 10-9-1 and not exactly a defensive juggernaut. Meanwhile Nemec is buried with Hattakka in Utica.

It’s really something what Arizona is doing with Cooley, really should be a corner piece for what organizations do with young top picks who aren’t Bedard. Give him 1 year in college, ahl, or in Europe. Then bring them to the nhl for year 2 play them with vets and give them Pp time. Get them out against lesser matchups but also let them make mistakes. Baffling how Nitra did a better job with Nemec then a billion dollar organization has been doing .
 
Still no games in the NHL. So Kurchinski, Mintyukov, Jiricek have passed him from the defense side? And a lot of forwards already. Arizona surpassing New Jersey in player development? Next thing will be them preventing him from captaining the WJC team.

Absolute bust for sure. Should get out from under his ELC and move him for a 6th round pick.
 
Still no games in the NHL. So Kurchinski, Mintyukov, Jiricek have passed him from the defense side? And a lot of forwards already. Arizona surpassing New Jersey in player development? Next thing will be them preventing him from captaining the WJC team.

Maybe not the best way to view things. Chicago/Anaheim had more openings. Devils played Pavel Zacha as a 19 year old while somebody like Matt Barzal was still playing in the WHL and Kyle Connor was in the AHL.

Tyler Myers won the 2009-10 Calder while fellow 2008 draftee Alex Pietrangelo was in the OHL.

Management likely didn't want to cycle in two rookie D on the blue line this year. When they acquired Colin Miller (expiring contract after this year), it seemed like it would be an uphill battle for Nemec to see substantial time in the NHL this year.

And then there is the cap considerations for later. If Nemec stays under 10 NHL GP this season, his ELC will slide another year. It will be potentially handy to have Nemec on an ELC for 2026-27 versus burning it for 2023-24.
 
Still no games in the NHL. So Kurchinski, Mintyukov, Jiricek have passed him from the defense side? And a lot of forwards already. Arizona surpassing New Jersey in player development? Next thing will be them preventing him from captaining the WJC team.
All the teams mentioned have little desire to be Stanley Cup teams this season. They could have surpassed him potentially, but the evidence of them being in the NHL isn’t sufficient when you add context. The Devils have two defensemen who are playing their first full season this season, so it’s pretty obvious Fitzgerald wants a veteran presence around them because the teams goal is to win now.
 

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