RD Simon Nemec (2022, 2nd, NJD)
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You cannot keep whiffing in the draft and expect to be a consistent playoff/cup contender. Devils drafting has been horrendous for so long now. They lucked out with winning the lottery twice recently, and have almost nothing to show for it. The Hughes bros, Nico, Bratt have been nice gets, but outside of that it has been brutal.
What has any of that rant to do with Nemec?
Devils chose a RHD when we are loaded at the position, instead of focusing on glaring weaknesses like goaltending(via trade) or fwd via draft or trade. Nemec also doesn't have upside to be a franchise changing defender , if he did then the strength at RHD wouldn't have mattered as much.
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I totally agree. At the time Nico was the correct pick. Unfortunately, he seems to be losing value due to being injury prone. I do like the Mercer pick so far and will have to see how Holtz, Hughes and Nemec turn out. But overall our drafting has been bad.
I'm sorry but this is just horrible.
Outside of who you mentioned... Nico, Hughes x2, Bratt... how about Mercer, Holtz, Sharangovich... Bahl is going to be a good d-man, Mukhamadullin and Okhotiuk are going to be good NHL d men.
Clarke, Talvitie, Salminen, Thompson, Walsh, Foote, Gritsyuk, Zetterlund....
The Athletic (whether you believe them or not) ranked the Devils back in August as having the 3rd best pipeline. This is the best stable of prospects the Devils have had in over 20 years and it's not even close.
The drafting was absolutely terrible when Lou was here. Shero tried to pull a quick fix. Fitz is doing a great job. There's 9 guys in the forward lineup that have the ability/potential of scoring 20+ goals this season.
Also, how are we "loaded" at the RHD position? Severson is on an expiring deal and is 28, Hamilton is 29, Marino is not a star and is 25. Walsh is the only other right handed d-man in the system with potential. So you're saying we didn't need a right handed D man?
Mercer had a decent rookie year, started hot then really slowed down to end the season. I'd like to see him progress before calling him a success story. Shara has been a nice middle 6 option, wonder how much that is because of playing with Jack Hughes though. Bahl could be good, but he wasn't drafted by the Devils. Mukhamadullin could be, but he may never come from Russia. Is having the 3rd best prospect pool in the NHL some kind of positive thing when we have been rebuilding for a decade? Feels like we should have the absolute best or have been a good team for a few years now...
Hamilton is a stud, Severson is one of the best 2nd pairing RHD in the league, that can be resigned. Marino doesn't have to be a star to be on the 3rd pairing, most have him as a top 4 defenseman and he's playing the 3rd pair for us. I'd say that's pretty stacked. Outside of Nemec, devils went a heavy RHD approach either way. Seamus Casey we drafted in the 2nd round, is a promising RHD.
For the reasons you don't want to call them successes.... you also can't just shove them aside to try to make the point that the Devils drafting has been garbage. That just doesn't make any sense.
I just don't want to judge based off 1 season for Mercer. If he becomes a career 40 point winger is he a success?
Many rookies hit a wall later in the season, particularly when you're playing in every game which Mercer was the only Devil to do last season. Keep in mind, he only played in 74 games the prior two seasons combined. Sharangovich was lighting it up in the KHL without Hughes prior to coming back over to North America. Mukhamadullin already came over from Russia and played 3 playoff games with the Comets. He's already under contract and the plan is for him to come over to NA for good after this KHL season. The team hasn't been rebuilding for a decade as a decade ago they were coming off a SCF and Lou was still in charge and trying to be competitive at all costs. Prospect pool rankings are also very subjective teams are largely interchangeable near the top. It should also be noted that Nico graduated this year, as per the opening of Pronman's article:
There aren’t a lot of organizations that can graduate a No. 1 pick and remain this high in the rankings, but New Jersey is in a unique position in that regard after picking high and often in the last few years since selecting Nico Hischier. The hope is they now have the nucleus to turn around this franchise on the backs of Hischier, Jack and Luke Hughes, and Simon Nemec.
So, yeah...3rd is pretty damn good.
Marino also wasn't a Devil when Nemec was drafted, so RD was a huge hole in the organization at the time. Would love to see Severson re-signed, but it takes two to tango and it sounds like there was a wide gap in initial contract extension talks between the two sides prior to the Marino trade.
Mercer was a great pick. What are you talking about? That's 5 players right there. Do you think that all draft picks work out?
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Getting a 40 point middle sixer with positional versatility with a mid first? Sure, I'd call that a success (and I think stats around drafting would probably back that up)
Think he can quite easily be more than that too
He’s already a career 40 point winger as a rookie. You don’t think he’s capable of anything more?
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He will get plenty of playing time down in the AHL. I'm glad that's where he will be playing for this season. I'm sure there is a chance he will be called up but there is certainly no rush with Nemec. I would think next season he is in the NHL full time unless he has a really rough rookie season.
Lou is God
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But you want to judge Nemec off no seasons played yet??
None of this really has anything to do with Simon Nemec, but the most incorrect opinion I see people throw around here is that losing for a decade=rebuilding for a decade. Whatever the Devils were doing between 2013-2016 was the furthest thing from a rebuild. Shero also took a lot of half measures rather than building it up right. The Devils didn't really start truly rebuilding until they traded off Hall and Coleman. Since then, they've amassed one of the deepest collections of U23 talent in the league. No guarantees that it will work, but there's nothing wrong with their process over the past few years.
I disagree with this. He was very slow and methodical…in fact, too slow for ownership. He clearly had a long term plan. What corners do you think he cut? The Grabner trade? That ended up being a wash. Subban? Okay, that second round pick maybe or may not have really made a difference. Santini and Davies are not even NHLers.
Not to further hijack this thread, but the trades for Grabner, Subban, Mueller, Gusev, Johansson and at least one other I'm having trouble recalling right now were all kind of the same in terms of trying to inject current talent into the roster at the cost of "expendable" picks/prospects.
This is the list of assets given up in those trades:
Yegor Rykov, Steven Santini, Jeremy Davies,
2017 picks #49, 123
2018 picks #46, 48, 87
2019 pick #34,
2020 picks #37, 68
2021 pick #36
The only one of those players that got anything back for was Johansson, 2019 #61, 2020 #120.
It's not unreasonable to think they could have one or two more young impact players had they just made all those picks, including 3 early 2nd rounders, 6 2nds total, and 2 3rd rounders. I get you have to fill out rosters and I don't really have an issue with any of these moves in a vacuum, but I do think they paint a pattern that Shero was trying to rush it rather than just build the farm system methodically as they've done the last few years.
Those guys were all young. Dealing 2nd, 3rd, or 4+ round picks for young talented players is not ill-advised. You need NHLers on your roster. Shero chose his spots and sans Subban and Grabner (as a rental for playoffs), you can’t really knock those deals other than maybe he paid too much for Mueller.
But we’ll agree to disagree. And let the thread get back to Nemec.
Clam Jensen
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Its very hard not to, He seems to be a master at it.
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some people are master baiters, it's hard to resist
To be fair, our drafting sucked from 2005-2016. But since then we've done pretty well.Holy bad takes Batman!!
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