VictorLustig
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Ollas Mattsson wasn't competing for the same spots as Kylington or Andersson. Their competition, guys you want to see on the PP, were two returning players.
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Ollas Mattsson wasn't competing for the same spots as Kylington or Andersson. Their competition, guys you want to see on the PP, were two returning players.
If this team is lacking anything it is offensive skilled d-men, plus much better to have one to many skilled player then one to many limited players. We need to stop seeing offensive skilled players as a bad thing.
Plus it is good to have atleast 3 d-men that can play PP.
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Aho & Forsling are already locks on the PP and Marcus Pettersson & Jacob Larsson good options if there are injuries. It's pretty obvious they are going with 4 forwards on the PP, more than enough players can play the point so that won't be a problem.
Fast paced games on the bigger ice isn't really a good fit for Andersson. I doubt he would be a difference maker 5-on-5. Kylington could be, but he's just too raw at the moment to gamble with.
Andersson did pretty well in allsvenskan on big ice 1-2 years before his draft year, why would he be worse now? Both Kylington and him also have good stats from U20 this year.
If big ice is the real reason and that Kylington is consider a gamble, why not just give them the chance to prove the opposite at the camp? If they fail to impress send them home.
Likely re-adjusting to the bigger ice is a consideration. I mean after a few weeks, obviously Andersson and Kylington would be fine given they developed (and often thrived) on the big ice. But in a short tourney like this, it's not uncommon to see European teams lean towards domestic players, versus those across the ocean and several time zones away (another minor consideration).
Of course, Lagesson is on the team and he is playing in NA, but he was on the team last year as I recall.
Of course, Lagesson is on the team and he is playing in NA, but he was on the team last year as I recall.
I think part of it is the rink size. Andersson and Kylington are both playing very well at the moment, but they're both playing on smaller NA rinks.
I was kind of surprised Kylington managed to stick in the AHL when he's just 18, but he hasn't looked out of place.
Sweden's very deep on D, so it kind of makes sense to stick with guys who are already playing on the larger rinks.
I was kind of surprised Kylington managed to stick in the AHL when he's just 18, but he hasn't looked out of place.
Sweden's very deep on D, so it kind of makes sense to stick with guys who are already playing on the larger rinks.
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Andersson just isn't able to keep up when the pace goes up. I've seen this more than once on different national teams and levels. He doesn't play the game at a high tempo and his skating and quickness just isn't there yet. He would probably still be on my team but I'm perfectly fine with him being left out.
The camp roster used to be bigger in the past and more cuts had to be made. There are pros and cons with a smaller roster but it's something they probably decided to go with a long time ago.
As an aside, I find this whole premise that you need to skater better on the bigger ice versus the smaller ice, really not very accurate. The way the game is played in Europe, there are a ton of very skilled but slower players that thrive on the big ice because they get lots of time and space to use their skills, but then are completely neutralized when they come to NA. On the smaller ice, you have to make your own time through superior puck possession and skating. It's a lot harder to slow things down to make a play, and only a few super elite guys can do it consistently.
Similarly, there have been lots of NA players with elite speed who go over to Europe or the KHL and fail pretty badly. They simply skate themselves into no man's land, with defenders only to happy to let them have the perimeter.
As just one example, in NA, a d-man simply can't let a fast forward get around them to the outside in their zone, where as in Europe, you don't try and cut them off, you simply let them circle around your zone if they are so inclined, because it's much less dangerous given their distance from the net (the difficulty in completely a pass or getting a shot to create a scoring chance). For d-men in NA, speed is really important in terms of not being beaten the outside.
As to skating, Andersson does have a strange stride, but I find his skating a major strength, at least with the puck. He certainly seems to be as good or better a skater than Lagesson, who is on the team and also playing in NA. But as mentioned by others, sounds like they wanted Lagesson's experience and more defensive skill set to compliment other guys they have already slotted on the team.
It's actually a sign of a good system and team when good players don't make it. Lord knows this is annual national controversy in Canada. This year in the US, too.
Similarly, there have been lots of NA players with elite speed who go over to Europe or the KHL and fail pretty badly. They simply skate themselves into no man's land, with defenders only to happy to let them have the perimeter.
As just one example, in NA, a d-man simply can't let a fast forward get around them to the outside in their zone, where as in Europe, you don't try and cut them off, you simply let them circle around your zone if they are so inclined, because it's much less dangerous given their distance from the net (the difficulty in completely a pass or getting a shot to create a scoring chance). For d-men in NA, speed is really important in terms of not being beaten the outside.
As to skating, Andersson does have a strange stride, but I find his skating a major strength, at least with the puck. He certainly seems to be as good or better a skater than Lagesson, who is on the team and also playing in NA. But as mentioned by others, sounds like they wanted Lagesson's experience and more defensive skill set to compliment other guys they have already slotted on the team.
It's actually a sign of a good system and team when good players don't make it. Lord knows this is annual national controversy in Canada. This year in the US, too.
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He kept up to the pace of play in the NHL prospect tourney. Actually he was probably Calgary's second best prospect in that tourney (while being the youngest). plus, he's been one of the best D in the OHL this year. I still think he should have made the team over a plug like Mattsson. I guess the big ice hurts a little but isn't the tourney in Finland which is hybrid (medium) ice anyway?
As for Kylington. He's having similar success to Morrisey and Bowey in the AHL. They were top 4 D on Canada last year and are 2 years older than Oliver. The fact Oliver is not on the team is a huge snub. Sure he has flaws but they aren't nearly as bad as last year. The kid is a talent, either the coaching staff didn't like him personally or Sweden is punishing him for playing in NA, or both. Either way, on pure skill alone Oliver should be on this team, no question.
As I said before this has to do with the coach love for limited players and hate for offensive skilled players. We have the same coach in WC, he will probably take Grossman over Klingberg or something like that.
if it had to do with NA, then the more limited players like Lagesson and Olofsson would not have made the team. He loves to dig deeph and find some limited players, while he ignore the more obvious stars. He did it last year too.
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Yeah Sweden seems to have very specific roles they want filled. Not just the best players overall, but the best players to fit what they want in each position.
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What a beast this guy is. So much poise with the puck. He just looks so good out there. And to think, he's been one of the best D in the OHL this year and he's in terrible shape. If he gets fit the sky is the limit for this guy.
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If I remember right, he said doughty is who he tries to model his game after - apparently this imitation has more dimensions to it.
Anyway, rasmus looks to fly under the radar. Was termed a sleeper in the draft and not much seems to have changed. I bumped because he has just named the ohl defender of the month (17 points in 13 games), and leads ohl defensemen in scoring (45 points in 45 games). Very excited to see him turn pro. Just seems to have very few weaknesses to his game
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Yes, and if not he will be a big bust and it's not the first time conditioning is why talent was wasted in the NHL
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If I remember right, he said doughty is who he tries to model his game after - apparently this imitation has more dimensions to it.
Anyway, rasmus looks to fly under the radar. Was termed a sleeper in the draft and not much seems to have changed. I bumped because he has just named the ohl defender of the month (17 points in 13 games), and leads ohl defensemen in scoring (45 points in 45 games). Very excited to see him turn pro. Just seems to have very few weaknesses to his game
When I watched him in preseason, it seemed his main weakness against higher levels of competition was simply footraces to loose pucks defensively. He would defend well and then be unable to get the puck back.
I think as his fitness improves, he'll start winning those races. This is a Ferland 2.0 situation though, it won't happen in junior. He needs the structure of playing pro with hard workers like Kulak and Giordano to look to for inspiration.
Any Colts fans on here who watch him regulary? How has Rasmus been doing this year? Numbers suggest great.
I've seen him a few times this year, not a Colts fan though, he's a good offensive dman but seems way to slow/sluggish a skater to be effective at higher levels. In the games I saw, many players were having a field day blowing by him.
One of the negatives at the draft for Andersson was that he had poor conditioning, perhaps that could be a reason as to why he seems sluggish?
I'm curious to see if he improved since June in that aspect. He looked great at the developmental camp.
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So pumped for him and kylington. Still can't believe we got those two and Hamilton in the same week. Set us up for years
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