RD Mitchell Miller - Tri-City Storm, USHL (2020, 111th, ARI, rights renounced)

[rt]

Maybe I have missed it, but I have to see any third party with access to the kid say they get the sense he's remorseful. Of course the coyotes and miller's rep is going to say he is.

Obviously Tri-City and North Dakota felt better was worth the gamble, too.

 

[serp]

Thats some heinous shit man . The fact that other teams who interviewed the kid came away with the impression he was absolutely not even sorry about his action doesn't speak well for him and also not the Yotes imho .

Seems like Yotes felt because they lost picks they had to make up by picking a talented guy who seemingly other teams stayed away from because he seems to be a massive piece of shit.

 

[rt]

Obviously his actions were abhorrent and go well beyond just a kid doing stupid things. First of all, it wasn't a one time event. It was many years of torment and abuse. But also, Miller's friend did all the same things and was able to show remorse and make amends with the victim's family. All Miller did was a court mandated apology and even continued to taunt the victim and his family afterwards. To me, that's the difference between a kid doing horrible things and an irredeemable piece of garbage.

It also reflects absolutely terribly on the Coyotes organization. If they absolutely had to draft Miller, they should have made much more of an effort to reach out to the victim and make sure things were okay on that front

It does seem that the other boy was able to apologize in person and that it had a positive effect on the victims. It definitely seems as though the victims hold harder feelings for Mitchell than the other boy. Which is very worrying.

 

[serp]

Obviously Tri-City and North Dakota felt better was worth the gamble, too.

I mean its not exactly new that sports teams gamble on talent that seemingly is absolutle human garbage in the hopes talent will be worth the headache ouside of the sport.

 

[The Merchant]

What an absolute piece of shit. For him to not even have the decency to personally apologize tells you all you need to know. Reap what you sow, Arizona.

 

[Bood12]

Either the Miller camp is lying or they aren’t. If their narrative is the truth, then of course a person shouldn’t be condemned for the rest of their lives for what they did as a 14 year old. That should go without saying.

If the Miller camp is just saying what they have to say and they don’t mean any of it, than we’re talking about a deeply disturbing group of people. Nightmare stuff.

Who knows? The Tri-City Storm, The University of North Dakota, and The Arizona Coyotes all seem to believe that that Miller camp is being genuine. I have to suspect they have more access to contextual details of the situation than we do.

Having said that, they also have something to gain. So may be biased. It’s not as though they have nothing to lose, however. Is is the willingness of these three organizations to take a chance on Miller, indicative of the veracity of his claims to have grown and changed and become an agent of progress?

I guess we’ll most likely never know.

Luke Heimlich was found guilty of sexually molesting his niece when he was 15 ( he has denied it and pled guilty to avoid going to Juvenile detention) he would have been a 1st round draft pick as he was the #1 pitcher in college, instead all MLB teams passed on him in the 40 rounds of the MLB draft, assuming he did it, is a person that much more mature at 15 than 14? is sexually molesting a child a more unforgivable act? even if so he was still a minor and should he be held responsible his entire life?

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

You’ve got information I don’t have. Where are these quotes?

Judge slams pair's role in bullying case

"The biggest problem I have is [Mitchell] has been bullying Isaiah since he was in second grade, so I thought he'd have a more severe punishment," said Joni Meyer-Crothers, Isaiah's mother. "I truly believe Hunter is remorseful. I don't think Mitchell is remorseful at all, in my opinion. Him rollerblading by our house is a taunt. It's like him saying, 'I may not be at school, but I'm still here.'

 

[GermanSpitfire]

I saw Arizona’s selection of Miller like this; they didn’t have their first, second and third round selections in the draft and wanted to take the best player available, at that point of the draft, it was Miller, who is a late first/second round talent but had baggage and fell to the 4th round.
Me personally, i wouldn’t have drafted Miller but i understood what Arizona was doing when they selected him.

 

[rt]

Thats some heinous shit man . The fact that other teams who interviewed the kid came away with the impression he was absolutely not even sorry about his action doesn't speak well for him and also not the Yotes imho .

Seems like Yotes felt because they lost picks they had to make up by picking a talented guy who seemingly other teams stay away because he seems to be a massive piece of shit.

I’d really like to know more about this. If I were handling Miller and I cared about Miller and I felt Miller had 100% changed, I still wouldn’t allow every area scout to keep bringing it up during every interaction, then subsequently their scouting directors, then assistant GMs and then ultimately the GM and the whole squad at the combine or via zoom. Over and over again with 31 groups.

If I cared about Miller and believed in Miller, I would also protect him from that. I think the letter to the teams is warranted and I think addressing it one time in full detail with each team is warranted. But leading up to the draft, I’m not going to permit Miller to speak about it 3-4 times with various reps from all 31 teams. No way.

But if JDB is saying that it wasn’t his declining to speak about it that rubbed them the wrong way, but rather that he seemed disingenuous when he did, then I’m with you. That’s a very big problem.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

What a psychopath. No stable 14 year old does something as reprehensible as that unless they've got some serious issues.

 

[rt]

Judge slams pair's role in bullying case

Yikes. Compounding stupidity.

 

[rt]

What a psychopath. No stable 14 year old does something as reprehensible as that unless they've got some serious issues.

I mostly agree. If it went down like the reports say it did, he may have had some serious issues. I hope he’s resolved them. I wish he had done so sooner. But hopefully he doesn’t behave like this still or won’t in the future. Nasty, nasty stuff.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Yikes. Compounding stupidity.

You asked who was giving him the benefit of the doubt in this thread.

I think you’ve done that here by calling him stupid.

 

[rt]

Luke Heimlich was found guilty of sexually molesting his niece when he was 15 ( he has denied it and pled guilty to avoid going to Juvenile detention) he would have been a 1st round draft pick as he was the #1 pitcher in college, instead all MLB teams passed on him in the 40 rounds of the MLB draft, assuming he did it, is a person that much more mature at 15 than 14? is sexually molesting a child a more unforgivable act? even if so he was still a minor and should he be held responsible his entire life?

1. Depends. But most likely no.
2. Yes. Absolutely. No question.
3. Probably not. Context is key, but probably not.

 

[rt]

You asked who was giving him the benefit of the doubt in this thread.

I think you’ve done that here by calling him stupid.

I don’t believe in demons.

 

[seafoam]

No one should be written off for the rest of their lives for the things they did when they were 14.

With that being said, this kid better be going the extra mile from now on to show that he's changed. He's lucky a team gave him a second chance, he better not f*** it up. Anything but perfect behaviour and he needs be dropped from the organization.

Not sure if anyone is actually arguing against this ITT. Also, not getting drafted does not = being “written off”, plenty of undrafted players have made careers in sports.

This draft pick just screams that the NHL and it’s franchises don’t truly care about addressing bullying, hatred, and racsim towards POC, minorities, and those with disabilities.

 

[Jozay]

Apparently he never apologized to the victim. I think that pretty much says everything you need to know. The guy is a POS.

 

[rt]

Not sure if anyone is actually arguing against this ITT. Also, not getting drafted does not = being “written off”, plenty of undrafted players have made careers in sports.

That’s a good point, honestly. If you believe in him, give him a camp invite. Drafting him is fear of missing out on him. It’s a little different than “giving him a chance”. Especially if you’re the Coyotes, of all teams. If you like the kid and you want to help the kid. Let him know that if he keeps his nose clean, and plays well for NoDak, you’ll give him a camp invite.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

There was no attempt at a personal apology to the victim? That should have been a priority (even if not genuine).

 

[Static]

I’d really like to know more about this. If I were handling Miller and I cared about Miller and I felt Miller had 100% changed, I still wouldn’t allow every area scout to keep bringing it up during every interaction, then subsequently their scouting directors, then assistant GMs and then ultimately the GM and the whole squad at the combine or via zoom. Over and over again with 31 groups.

If I cared about Miller and believed in Miller, I would also protect him from that. I think the letter to the teams is warranted and I think addressing it one time in full detail with each team is warranted. But leading up to the draft, I’m not going to permit Miller to speak about it 3-4 times with various reps from all 31 teams. No way.

But if JDB is saying that it wasn’t his declining to speak about it that rubbed them the wrong way, but rather that he seemed disingenuous when he did, then I’m with you. That’s a very big problem.

When you abuse a disabled kid for years I think you lose the right to say "I don't want to talk about that anymore" when trying to show you have changed. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

It feels like his rep was shielding him from himself. Can't give a bad answer if you don't answer, but that comes off horribly in this situation.

 

[seafoam]

Obviously Tri-City and North Dakota felt better was worth the gamble, too.

There’s no gamble for those organizations. Their “mission” is to put the best product on the ice regardless of whether they are of strong character or not.

 

[rt]

Apparently he never apologized to the victim. I think that pretty much says everything you need to know. The guy is a POS.

It does seem that the victim’s family has less animosity toward the other bully and that it’s based on disparate actions AFTER the final incident definitely strikes me as very worrying.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

 

[rt]

There’s no gamble for those organizations. Their “mission” is to put the best product on the ice regardless of whether they are of strong character or not.

Oh you know that’s not true. If he were to recidivate while with the program it would be disastrous. Especially after they decided to welcome him in, despite all they knew about his past.

 

[New Jersey Devils]

This is within the year. Not just 4 years ago. Not a great look on him or the Coyotes, even UND or Tri-City to an extent.