RD David Jiricek (2022, 6th, CBJ; traded to MIN)

[martygod12]

Something must be lost in translation here.
I think I wrote my opinion which I supported logically. I am certainly not mocking anyone, nor denying the right to an opinion.

Yeah that was pointen towards 57special and his completely ridiculous statement about Spacek, Hunt and Rulik, Not at you sorry if it felt that way

 

[Czechboy]

Most of us said we see him as a player with potential to be a NHL regular in a few years, and I stand by that,

I'm absolutely positive this is positive a comment on Spacek's NHL career as any poster has ever made. I've certainly made this comment. It's easily found, easily quotable.

There is a huge gap between

Extraliga career

and

Top 4 NHL stud with 1000 games

I think most of us are very much in the middle here.

 

[AKL]

He says that its crazy and completely dont understand why Minnesota brought him and that he should have gone to different club eg. like Edmonton. And that they dont know in Minnesota what value they have in D.Spacek.

Why does the writer think Edmonton would have been a good place for Jiricek? Does the writer want Jiricek back in CZ asap?

but Spacek is completely baked in AHL with this move.

I'm not even sure this is true. Bogosian is a 7D candidate, he can easily sit in the press box if someone supplants him. Jiricek probably does that next year, hopefully. Spurgeon also only has two years left before he's gone, and he also has injury concerns most of the time.

So all this does is make it so Spacek has to wait maybe an extra year to get a spot? He's not exactly knocking down the door right now. He's good and improving, but he's by no means someone who should be playing in the NHL right now.

Long term, Faber-Jiricek-Spacek can still be the RD depth chart.

 

[57special]

Why does the writer think Edmonton would have been a good place for Jiricek? Does the writer want Jiricek back in CZ asap?



I'm not even sure this is true. Bogosian is a 7D candidate, he can easily sit in the press box if someone supplants him. Jiricek probably does that next year, hopefully. Spurgeon also only has two years left before he's gone, and he also has injury concerns most of the time.

So all this does is make it so Spacek has to wait maybe an extra year to get a spot? He's not exactly knocking down the door right now. He's good and improving, but he's by no means someone who should be playing in the NHL right now.

Long term, Faber-Jiricek-Spacek can still be the RD depth chart.

Keep in mind that Jake Middleton, who is now a mainstay in the top 4 and playing really well, played his first full NHL season(had 13gp total before that) when he was 26 yo. Just because Spacek, or Jiricek, or Masters, or Healey, or Pionk, isn't ready now doesn't mean that they are crap...just that they aren't ready.

 

[Goodman68]

Apologies... translator got it wrong

Who says Rulik has more insight?

As far as I can tell, a hockey lover (rulik) made an opinion about hockey. He is allowed an opinion just like you and I are on HF.

It'd be no different than if Jagr made a comment about a Czech in the NHL or Gretzky (assuming he's not affiliated to an NHL club today) made a comment about a Canadian player not making his NHL squad.

Rulík is undoubtedly entitled to his opinion. I was struck by how he verbally attacked the people in Minnesota and the AHL who see Špaček play every day. That's all. Since as I write, a lot can be lost in translation (which you yourself have confirmed), it's probably not worth me continuing the discussion any further. On the contrary, it can be counterproductive

 

[Czechboy]

Why does the writer think Edmonton would have been a good place for Jiricek?

The writer was quoting a conversation Jiricek had with Rulik. So the source of that is Jiricek telling Rulik that he thought he'd end up in Edmonton. He didn't say he wanted that or not, but that is what was being told to him. Most likely by his very famous agent Walsh.

I'm not even sure this is true. Bogosian is a 7D candidate,

When the trade happened... I realized Bogosian is not what he once was. That night he played maybe 13 minutes. Seems like he's near the end of his career... I didn't realize that at all as I don't follow him at all. Seems like a very solid hand on a very nice D core.

He will be Jack Johnson next year as he has a buriable cap at 1.25 and that is exactly the guy you put in the pressbox to let young guys play. NO knock on him at all.

 

[Czechboy]

Off to Iowa... feels like a lot of teams really don't want him in the NHL right now. Glad he'll start playing at least.

 

[SoundAndFury]

..and it isn't even Spacek they are calling up. Rulik in shambles since this means he is at best 6th RD in the Wild organisation.

 

[martygod12]

..and it isn't even Spacek they are calling up. Rulik in shambles since this means he is at best 6th RD in the Wild organisation.

I will rather not engage into this discussions again. Its obvious an army of biased US and Canadian posters will explain me how 25 yrs old Crotty who played 1 NHL game so far and has absolutely unimpressive career resume is better option then two young promising defenders one of which is 6th overall pick.

But if they called him up just to sit in the stands and not play a game and send Jiricek down cause they actually want him to play then it make sense I guess. Otherwise not so much

 

[Czechboy]

I will rather not engage into this discussions again. Its obvious an army of biased US and Canadian posters will explain me how 25 yrs old Crotty who played 1 NHL game so far and has absolutely unimpressive career resume is better option then two young promising defenders one of which is 6th overall pick.

But if they called him up just to sit in the stands and not play a game and send Jiricek down cause they actually want him to play then it make sense I guess. Otherwise not so much

Crotty is the future for sure. He got called up and that is all the facts you need to know. NHL never calls up vets and leaves the prospects in lower leagues to develop.

Somehow... this insane narrative that all the Czechs think Spacek should be Top 4 in Minnesota has evolved out of thin air. I think we all expected a cup of coffee this year and to maybe contend for a roster spot next season after heavy minutes in AHL this season. However, turns out Minny is damn good so I don't expect that cup of coffee. I will be raging hard when both are in Iowa during the Worlds this spring.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I’ve always found Jiricek an extremely frustrating player to watch when Ive seen CBJ games on tv.. this doesn’t surprise me at all he’s been sent to AHL again and obviously needs a lot more time in the minors.

I’m not a huge fan of his NHL potential but what do I know lol

I loved the return CBJ got though in this trade that sent him to Minny. In my opinion the Wild hit it outta the park with what they got

And that’s zero disrespect to CBJ/Wild fans

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

It was always the plan tos end him to the AHL

 

[My3Sons]

The writer was quoting a conversation Jiricek had with Rulik. So the source of that is Jiricek telling Rulik that he thought he'd end up in Edmonton. He didn't say he wanted that or not, but that is what was being told to him. Most likely by his very famous agent Walsh.

When the trade happened... I realized Bogosian is not what he once was. That night he played maybe 13 minutes. Seems like he's near the end of his career... I didn't realize that at all as I don't follow him at all. Seems like a very solid hand on a very nice D core.

He will be Jack Johnson next year as he has a buriable cap at 1.25 and that is exactly the guy you put in the pressbox to let young guys play. NO knock on him at all.

How much of Jiricek's malcontent narrative is really a product of Walsh? Did Jiricek really want to leave Columbus? If so, why? Couldn't be because of being ready for the NHL unless he also wants out from Minnesota who just sent him to the AHL. Maybe he had conflict with the coaching staff or maybe just maybe Walsh had conflict with the management and when they didn't cave in he riled up Jiricek and then demanded that Columbus trade Jiricek. Just speculation but where Walsh is involved with a seemingly disgruntled player I am always leery.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Crotty is the future for sure. He got called up and that is all the facts you need to know. NHL never calls up vets and leaves the prospects in lower leagues to develop.

Somehow... this insane narrative that all the Czechs think Spacek should be Top 4 in Minnesota has evolved out of thin air. I think we all expected a cup of coffee this year and to maybe contend for a roster spot next season after heavy minutes in AHL this season. However, turns out Minny is damn good so I don't expect that cup of coffee. I will be raging hard when both are in Iowa during the Worlds this spring.

I didn´t know who Špaček was until i saw him at world championship, hated him so much for his defensive lapses lol. I am more pissed about Stanislav Svozil, i think he has NHL potential.

 

[Czechboy]

How much of Jiricek's malcontent narrative is really a product of Walsh? Did Jiricek really want to leave Columbus? If so, why? Couldn't be because of being ready for the NHL unless he also wants out from Minnesota who just sent him to the AHL. Maybe he had conflict with the coaching staff or maybe just maybe Walsh had conflict with the management and when they didn't cave in he riled up Jiricek and then demanded that Columbus trade Jiricek. Just speculation but where Walsh is involved with a seemingly disgruntled player I am always leery.

I find the whole situation baffling. He never plays.lol. Walsh can stir shit for sure. I thought Columbus had good d and was a good spot for him tbh. Curious how long till he plays for the Wild...he may be in AHL for awhile because that is two teams that didn't want to give him a lot of NHL time.

 

[My3Sons]

I find the whole situation baffling. He never plays.lol. Walsh can stir shit for sure. I thought Columbus had good d and was a good spot for him tbh. Curious how long till he plays for the Wild...he may be in AHL for awhile because that is two teams that didn't want to give him a lot of NHL time.

Hopefully Jiricek is in a good spot for his development. He needs to play and improve various aspects of his game to stick in the NHL. He has the potential so it's a combination of his effort and the coaching and education offered by the team. We will see. He's very young and they don't need to rush him.

 

[3074326]

It was always the plan tos end him to the AHL

Same thing in Columbus, and that’s why he got traded. He didn’t want to play there. Maybe he will in Iowa

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

Same thing in Columbus, and that’s why he got traded. He didn’t want to play there. Maybe he will in Iowa

I’m sure he didn’t want to play there, as I’m sure he wants to be in MN making near a million dollars, not in Iowa making 90k. That’s not the reason he got traded, though. It could be a contributing factor factor, but there was a buildup of a lot of different things that lead to him seeking a fresh start.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

I’m sure he didn’t want to play there, as I’m sure he wants to be in MN making near a million dollars, not in Iowa making 90k. That’s not the reason he got traded, though. It could be a contributing factor factor, but there was a buildup of a lot of different things that lead to him seeking a fresh start.

Yeah Columbus hated his skating

 

[thestonedkoala]

I find the whole situation baffling. He never plays.lol. Walsh can stir shit for sure. I thought Columbus had good d and was a good spot for him tbh. Curious how long till he plays for the Wild...he may be in AHL for awhile because that is two teams that didn't want to give him a lot of NHL time.

More than likely, Jiricek will be on the short list when they let Merrill walk and then Bogo retires (he has another year) and an even shorter list when they have an injury (Brodin, Spurgeon are good for an injury every season). I don't know what they'll do with Spacek.

I think one of the big reasons why Minnesota trade for Jiricek is that their defensemen, both in the AHL and developing, are pretty small. Bogo, Merrill and Middleton are their biggest and only Middleton is playing in the top 4. More so, I think Columbus fans have the wrong impression Minnesota sees Jiricek as some franchise altering defenseman that is top tier. They want to shore up their top 4 as they have Faber and Spurgeon for now, but could use a potential 3/4 in the future, especially with Buium coming in.

More so, Jiricek isn't the only player in recent years that have had issues with Columbus as well the rumors are that Trouba REALLY didn't want to go there. But Dubois and Laine both wanted out of Columbus. There is also the rumor that Merz was disgruntled but they seemed to have appeased him for now. So, there is something going on with Columbus. Maybe Waddell will change that, but we'll see.

 

[hockey20000]

for a guy whos drafted so high he haas been very poor so far damn

 

[thestonedkoala]

for a guy whos drafted so high he haas been very poor so far damn

33 GP, 9 goals and 13 assists for 22 points isn't bad for a young defenseman in the AHL. As well 11 points in 14 games in the playoffs. I don't want to say he has done poorly, he just has been slow in development.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

The Jackets did real well on this trade but, I already know the wild will turn Jiricek into a top pairing defensemen lmao.

 

[Czechboy]

for a guy whos drafted so high he haas been very poor so far damn

Curious what success is for a dman who just turned 21? I would think AHL all star is pretty good. Korchnski and Nemec are also in the AHL. Are they all failures right now?

 

[martygod12]

for a guy whos drafted so high he haas been very poor so far damn

At first glance it would seem like we expected more, but 20-21 yrs old defenders very rarely take NHL by storm and are stars right away. I admit in his D+1 year he looked like he can be that guy, so we all maybe let ourselves get the hype go too far in our heads with him. Now we learn that he will take a lot more time to turn into proper NHLer. As long as that happens in the future and he is not back in europe by the time he is 25 I am ok with that. Of course I am impatient and want him to suceed right now too, cause czech hockey desperately needs NHL defenders, but we just have to be patient it seems.

And as Czechboy said, Nemec and Korchinski who were drafted around him are also in AHL right now, he was drafted 6th and as for games played in NHL from the 22 draft class he is ranked 6th. So he is kinda exactly where he is expected to be. Sure Mintyukov and Hutson are killing it and are best Ds so far from this draft, but he is just there behind those two with Korchinski, Nemec etc.