RD Axel Sandin Pellikka - Skellefteå, SHL (2023, 17th, DET)

[Preposterone]

is that SHL preseason or J20?

I heard lassinantti’s name called on saves, so SHL

 

[MNRube]

he’s so smooth. I think he should’ve went way higher.

 

[Hockeyfrilla]

Had a good game vs Tappara in the Champions Hockey League, 1+1 in the game.

 

[Pavels Dog]

 

[Christien]

He continues to impress. Shoutout to IceHockeyGifs

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

3+1=4 in 7 games so far this season.

 

[eojsmada]

Kid seems like he should have been taken higher being able to play top minutes and score the way he does in the SHL which normally doesn't hand out that kind of playing time/responsibility to younger players.

 

[Michoulicious]

Kid seems like he should have been taken higher being able to play top minutes and score the way he does in the SHL which normally doesn't hand out that kind of playing time/responsibility to younger players.

No shit.

Kid was unreal at U20 as a 17 y old, then unreal at U20... But because Adam Boqvist did not set the NHL on fire ASP, then had to drop?

Was so bullish on this kid, and looks like he'll be the steal of the draft. Fact Danielson was picked higher than him by Detroit is pretty funny in itself.

 

[eojsmada]

No shit.

Kid was unreal at U20 as a 17 y old, then unreal at U20... But because Adam Boqvist did not set the NHL on fire ASP, then had to drop?

Was so bullish on this kid, and looks like he'll be the steal of the draft. Fact Danielson was picked higher than him by Detroit is pretty funny in itself.

Yeah...I almost thought at one point that Detroit might have gotten away with drafting ASP first and then getting Danielson with the 17th, but because of the way the D were being taken early on, it seemed like they felt comfortable waiting to try and get ASP with the later pick, rather than lose out on Danielson before 17. Amazing that ASP dropped to Detroit where he did.

 

[Pavels Dog]

No shit.

Kid was unreal at U20 as a 17 y old, then unreal at U20... But because Adam Boqvist did not set the NHL on fire ASP, then had to drop?

Was so bullish on this kid, and looks like he'll be the steal of the draft. Fact Danielson was picked higher than him by Detroit is pretty funny in itself.

Danielson is looking quite impressive in his own right.
But I agree I thought the way ASP dropped was strange. Much worse swedish d-men have been drafted earlier.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Danielson is looking quite impressive in his own right.
But I agree I thought the way ASP dropped was strange. Much worse swedish d-men have been drafted earlier.

He only fell because of his 'lack of size'...

 

[BluesyShoes]

He only fell because of his 'lack of size'...

From my limited viewings, I really didn't like his play away from the puck, I thought he chased the play a lot. Didn't see efficiency in his defensive game in particular. I'm also not as much a fan of defensemen that need a lot of touches and possession time to be effective, and d-men that like to rush the puck in deep, causing their forwards to switch to cover them frequently. There are obvious exceptions to that; the truly elite guys can make that stuff work at a high level, and maybe ASP becomes that, but I have doubts he will be that as a 25 minutes per game guy. He may be more a top 4-6 offensive specialist that gets favorable minutes and matchups, and a powerplay guy. I think Detroit is a situation where they can use a top 4-6 dman like that because of how their blueline is shaping up with their top guys being excellent matchup guys, but I think a lot of other teams want their bottom 3 guys to be PK d-men. If ASP doesn't hit as a top pairing caliber offensive D, he doesn't fit as nicely into how other teams structure their bluelines, so I can see why he was passed over. For what it is worth, I am a Canucks fan who before the draft preferred Danielson over Willander, and Willander over ASP.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

From my limited viewings, I really didn't like his play away from the puck, I thought he chased the play a lot. Didn't see efficiency in his defensive game in particular. I'm also not as much a fan of defensemen that need a lot of touches and possession time to be effective, and d-men that like to rush the puck in deep, causing their forwards to switch to cover them frequently. There are obvious exceptions to that; the truly elite guys can make that stuff work at a high level, and maybe ASP becomes that, but I have doubts he will be that as a 25 minutes per game guy. He may be more a top 4-6 offensive specialist that gets favorable minutes and matchups, and a powerplay guy. I think Detroit is a situation where they can use a top 4-6 dman like that because of how their blueline is shaping up with their top guys being excellent matchup guys, but I think a lot of other teams want their bottom 3 guys to be PK d-men. If ASP doesn't hit as a top pairing caliber offensive D, he doesn't fit as nicely into how other teams structure their bluelines, so I can see why he was passed over. For what it is worth, I am a Canucks fan who before the draft preferred Danielson over Willander, and Willander over ASP.

There's room for two offensive defensemen in the top 4.

OFD-TWD
TWD-OFD
DFD-TWD

Covers your PP, covers your PK, each of the offensive guys are covered by two-way guys.

In three years Detroit's top 4 could be:

Wallinder - Seider
Edvinsson - ASP

 

[Vasilevskiy]

From my limited viewings, I really didn't like his play away from the puck, I thought he chased the play a lot. Didn't see efficiency in his defensive game in particular. I'm also not as much a fan of defensemen that need a lot of touches and possession time to be effective, and d-men that like to rush the puck in deep, causing their forwards to switch to cover them frequently. There are obvious exceptions to that; the truly elite guys can make that stuff work at a high level, and maybe ASP becomes that, but I have doubts he will be that as a 25 minutes per game guy. He may be more a top 4-6 offensive specialist that gets favorable minutes and matchups, and a powerplay guy. I think Detroit is a situation where they can use a top 4-6 dman like that because of how their blueline is shaping up with their top guys being excellent matchup guys, but I think a lot of other teams want their bottom 3 guys to be PK d-men. If ASP doesn't hit as a top pairing caliber offensive D, he doesn't fit as nicely into how other teams structure their bluelines, so I can see why he was passed over. For what it is worth, I am a Canucks fan who before the draft preferred Danielson over Willander, and Willander over ASP.

How dare you.

I agree, I think he will have a career in the NHL but he's closer to Barrie than a top pairing guy, in my opinion

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

How dare you.

I agree, I think he will have a career in the NHL but he's closer to Barrie than a top pairing guy, in my opinion

Tyson Barrie spent 9 NHL seasons playing top pairing minutes...

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Tyson Barrie spent 9 NHL seasons playing top pairing minutes...

I guess you're right, though the success of the teams he played top pairing for says it all

 

[newfy]

I dont think Yzreman would have made this pick 3 years ago but seeing how well Seider, Edvinsson, Wallinder and others seem to be panning out he could take the higher risk high reward player. ASPs "struggles" away from the puck arent going to be a huge issue if his offence keeps coming because theres several guys in Detroit who will be able to cover for him

Really good start to the season for him though

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

How dare you.

I agree, I think he will have a career in the NHL but he's closer to Barrie than a top pairing guy, in my opinion

ASP would probably have to be a Top 3 PMD in the league to be a top pairing guy in Detroit in the next decade, considering his competition is Seider lol.

I think the ideal situation they hope for is Seider eats 23-25 minutes a night 5 on 5 and PK, getting the more defensive assignments, while ASP gets the 2nd pairing role but is the PP1 QB. Who knows if we ever get there, though.

And the big issue will be, if all these guys pan out, we're probably gonna be sacrificing somebody to the cap 5-7 years down the road. Seider's contract negotiation is gonna be important in setting the tone for Edvinsson/ASP/Wallinder.

 

[LarKing]

ASP would probably have to be a Top 3 PMD in the league to be a top pairing guy in Detroit in the next decade, considering his competition is Seider lol.

I think the ideal situation they hope for is Seider eats 23-25 minutes a night 5 on 5 and PK, getting the more defensive assignments, while ASP gets the 2nd pairing role but is the PP1 QB. Who knows if we ever get there, though.

And the big issue will be, if all these guys pan out, we're probably gonna be sacrificing somebody to the cap 5-7 years down the road. Seider's contract negotiation is gonna be important in setting the tone for Edvinsson/ASP/Wallinder.

While good players can boost each others' point totals, they can also take each other's prime PP time. I don't see Seider staying PP1 if Edvinsson and ASP hit. That'll mean likely 35-45 point type seasons instead of 45-55 ish. Only so much prime PP time to go around.

Really though this would be a great problem to have a few years down the line.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

The only question is: will he be a pre-2022 Montour, or a post-2022 Montour.

 

[MNRube]

ill eat my hat if this kid isnt a top 4 dman in the NHL

 

[VictorLustig]

There's room for two offensive defensemen in the top 4.

OFD-TWD
TWD-OFD
DFD-TWD

Covers your PP, covers your PK, each of the offensive guys are covered by two-way guys.

In three years Detroit's top 4 could be:

Wallinder - Seider
Edvinsson - ASP

ASP is not an offensive D-man. I have no idea where that comes from. He’s a modern quick defenseman who moves the puck well and is excellent in terms of positioning. There’s a reason he led the Swedish WJC team in icetime as a 17 year old in the games that mattered, he’s just an extremely reliable D-man. I don’t think he will ever be much of a scorer as he lacks some creativity/timing on the blue line. I think it’s far more likely he ends up like an Anton Strålman. Much better prospect than Willander imo, better hands, quicker mind.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

ASP is not an offensive D-man. I have no idea where that comes from. He’s a modern quick defenseman who moves the puck well and is excellent in terms of positioning. There’s a reason he led the Swedish WJC team in icetime as a 17 year old in the games that mattered, he’s just an extremely reliable D-man. I don’t think he will ever be much of a scorer as he lacks some creativity/timing on the blue line. I think it’s far more likely he ends up like an Anton Strålman. Much better prospect than Willander imo, better hands, quicker mind.

What in tarnation. He was well regarded as the prospect with the most offensive upside this past draft. He is very creative on the blue line as well. He's a mainstay on the PP.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

ASP is not an offensive D-man. I have no idea where that comes from. He’s a modern quick defenseman who moves the puck well and is excellent in terms of positioning. There’s a reason he led the Swedish WJC team in icetime as a 17 year old in the games that mattered, he’s just an extremely reliable D-man. I don’t think he will ever be much of a scorer as he lacks some creativity/timing on the blue line. I think it’s far more likely he ends up like an Anton Strålman. Much better prospect than Willander imo, better hands, quicker mind.

Yeah stralman is a pretty bad comparison and ASP absolutely is an offensive D man

 

[saska sault]

ill eat my hat if this kid isnt a top 4 dman in the NHL

If ASP isn't an NHL defenseman I'll kill myself on live television