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You mean Chimera,Ward?Come on.They are as bad as Chris Kunitz.
How is Drouin a healthy scratch most of the time?He played 70 games this season.13:14 TOI/G.
Ray Shero Hired By Lamorello To Replace Himself As GM
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How is Drouin a healthy scratch most of the time?He played 70 games this season.13:14 TOI/G.
Shady Machine
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Wrong. Chimera is a depth player that has size and can still skate. Ward has size and is clutch. All three are role players now, but the former 2 fit a better role than Kunitz does.
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Yeah, from what I understand. We chose the money because of the courtesy angle. Sorta like the unspoken rule about not offer-sheeting guys. It's technically allowed, but frowned upon around the league.
But hey, maybe we're getting Shero off of payroll so we have less money tied up for when we make a run at Babcock this summer!
I mean if it's really about money, I can understand. I don't prefer the courtesy angle though. What has this team gained from being model citizens anyway?
Agreed. I wish we would have pushed for the pick. There's no love lost between the Pens and Devils anyway. When would we expect to be doing business with them regarding a trade in the near future?
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That's what I thought, but I guess they have to think about their reputation throughout the league. Not like it'll help jr or anything.
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Here's a pretty good article as to why the Pens didn't take the pick, basically repeating what was said here but in more detail.
Penguins set precedent by not asking for draft pick for fired employee
http://www.pensburgh.com/2015/5/5/8548495/penguins-former-gm-ray-shero-goes-to-new-jersey
In that article, it mentions Tom Fitzgerald and Jason Botterill's contracts are up this summer, if they follow Shero, will people be happy with that? I know how much people here like to say "country club organization" and "nothing will change" well those will be significant departures so, what would everyone think?
Also, it mentions, that if a 3rd round pick prevented Shero from getting the job in the first place, it would kinda be a ******* move for the Pens to prevent Shero from getting a rare opportunity (only 30 GM jobs in the NHL with few openings) over a 3rd round pick, as a business decision we let Shero move on without putting up a fuss, we did willingly let him go, it's the least we could do. We also cleared 7 figures off the payroll which is good for business (again, mentioned in that article), and the organization gets a pat on the back for being good sports
I don't mind us not pursuing the pick, we can use them but we could acquire them in trades.
Penguins set precedent by not asking for draft pick for fired employee
http://www.pensburgh.com/2015/5/5/8548495/penguins-former-gm-ray-shero-goes-to-new-jersey
In that article, it mentions Tom Fitzgerald and Jason Botterill's contracts are up this summer, if they follow Shero, will people be happy with that? I know how much people here like to say "country club organization" and "nothing will change" well those will be significant departures so, what would everyone think?
Also, it mentions, that if a 3rd round pick prevented Shero from getting the job in the first place, it would kinda be a ******* move for the Pens to prevent Shero from getting a rare opportunity (only 30 GM jobs in the NHL with few openings) over a 3rd round pick, as a business decision we let Shero move on without putting up a fuss, we did willingly let him go, it's the least we could do. We also cleared 7 figures off the payroll which is good for business (again, mentioned in that article), and the organization gets a pat on the back for being good sports
I don't mind us not pursuing the pick, we can use them but we could acquire them in trades.
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We have so many Assistant and Associate GMs it is hard to know what they're responsible apart from Botteril being cap guru. In Game of Thrones the small counsel is getting smaller in Game of Penguins Management the small counsel aint so small anymore.
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We cleared 7 figures off the books...think of all the Fall Out Boy songs we can buy rights too now.
Goalie_Bob
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It's not just about Pens and Devils but the Pens and the rest of the league. If the rest of the league thinks you are *******s then they won't want to deal with you. For all our pissing and moaning about the ownership and front office I can guarantee you that they are well respected amongst the league. A 3rd round pick isn't worth being seen as disrespectful to the game.
And as far when would we do business with the Devils. Umm Shero is now their GM, he may want a few of the Pens players. Maybe we can pull off a deal like Bennet+Scuderi for a 3rd. Or Scuderi or Kunitz for a pick or young player.
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Here's a pretty good article as to why the Pens didn't take the pick, basically repeating what was said here but in more detail.
Penguins set precedent by not asking for draft pick for fired employee
http://www.pensburgh.com/2015/5/5/8548495/penguins-former-gm-ray-shero-goes-to-new-jersey
In that article, it mentions Tom Fitzgerald and Jason Botterill's contracts are up this summer, if they follow Shero, will people be happy with that? I know how much people here like to say "country club organization" and "nothing will change" well those will be significant departures so, what would everyone think?
Also, it mentions, that if a 3rd round pick prevented Shero from getting the job in the first place, it would kinda be a ******* move for the Pens to prevent Shero from getting a rare opportunity (only 30 GM jobs in the NHL with few openings) over a 3rd round pick, as a business decision we let Shero move on without putting up a fuss, we did willingly let him go, it's the least we could do. We also cleared 7 figures off the payroll which is good for business (again, mentioned in that article), and the organization gets a pat on the back for being good sports
I don't mind us not pursuing the pick, we can use them but we could acquire them in trades.
If a 3rd round pick prevented Shero from getting the job, that is more on Lou being cheap than on the Pens IMO. I'm glad the Pens are nice and stuff. Hope it pays off.
Shady Machine
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Well respected or taken advantage of? Also, when is the last time the Pens have traded with in division rivals? I doubt Shero being in NJ is going to do much to increase trades between the teams. I guess time will tell.
Goalie_Bob
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Again. It's not just about the Pens and Devils. The Pens have set the precedent that you don't ask for a 3rd round pick for a guy you fired but still have under contract.
If in the future the Pens want to do the same thing the rest of the league has now seen that they did not ask for the pick so they will not either. In close knit community like the NHL GM community where there are only 30 people at one time it makes a difference.
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I guess we will find out if other teams seek a pick or not. The Pens tried playing nice when it came to on ice play and all that happened was Sid getting consistently abused. I have my doubts that we will see all kinds of benefits from being nice here. As I said earlier, if it was primarily about money, then I can understand.
Goalie_Bob
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You do know that on ice actions have nothing to do with front office dealings right? The Pens not asking for a 3rd round pick has absolutely nothing to do with Sid being abused.
And of course it was about the money. They don't have to pay Shero to sit on his ass for the next year. I'm sure they hope the same thing happens with Bylsma.
Freeptop
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That was never going to happen. The whole compensation thing is something that was pushed by the Red Wings because they were tired of having to hire new assistant coaches and assistant GMs every year, as teams kept poaching those guys.
No team is going to demand compensation for a guy they fired. That would just be a d-bag move.
No. The rule is that the Pens could demand a draft pick in compensation, at which point the Devils could decide they didn't want to hire Shero, which is what would have left the Pens on the hook for Shero's contract. If the Pens had demanded compensation and the Devils hired Shero anyway, they would have gotten a draft pick. But they weren't going to do that, because no team is going to demand compensation for someone they already fired. That would be potentially blocking someone from getting a new job after you already fired them.
Considering Lamoriello talked to the Pens first before talking to Shero, you can bet he asked up front if the Pens would demand compensation before he ever talked to Shero. Shero might simply have never even have gotten an offer (or even an interview) otherwise.
I realize people really want more draft picks, but seriously - that's just ridiculous. It's just not worth it.
If Shero tries to hire away Botteril and/or Fitzgerald, on the other hand, it would be a different story. Then they'd be hiring away someone currently working for the team to go to the same position elsewhere. At that point it would make sense to demand compensation.
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I agree. If Shero would have fired Bylsma that summer and replaced him with, lets say, Alain Vigneault, I think that would have saved his job and I think this team would be in a better position than they are in now. Shero is not without faults, perhaps many, but he also did a lot of good for this organization during transition years. He changed the culture of the team and always represented the organization with class. I wish him well.
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Tell that to the Bruins:
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/593379909399089152
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Anyways, happy to see Shero finding himself a new opportunity as a GM in the NHL. Good man and good GM, that Shero.
Big McLargehuge
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To be fair Jacobs doing a total d-bag move is right in line with everything else he's ever done.
Freeptop
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That's what I get for using an absolute. I should have known there are always people out there willing to be total d-bags
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Shero in Jersey. Scuderi from Long Island. It just makes too much sense. For the love of God, please make it happen JR.
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That's what I get for using an absolute. I should have known there are always people out there willing to be total d-bags
Yeah I was going to respond with Boston is trying to do it. I honestly don't see the benefit in not asking. It's a rule that exists for a reason.
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