Tribute Rasmus Sandin Discussion Thread

[CapspaceKiller]

better than dermott ever was

 

[IPS]

I also remember a certain poster who claimed that we destroyed Sandin's development, because not instantly banning him from the playoffs when Covid struck supposedly meant that he could never put on weight, and he would be doomed as a weakling until the end of time.

Looks pretty strong to me.

I believe the argument was that it was a complete waste of time dressing him for the playoffs and having him stay in game shape for no reason. Nowhere was it said that he'd "never put on weight and was doomed to be a weakling".

 

[Dekes For Days]

I believe the argument was that it was a complete waste of time dressing him for the playoffs and having him stay in game shape for no reason. Nowhere was it said that he'd "never put on weight and was doomed to be a weakling".

The claim was that he wouldn't be able to put on weight and strength this offseason, and it was ruining him, which was clearly incorrect. It's not a "waste of time" to keep important depth in game shape for a playoff run, especially when the specifics of how the playoffs would look were so up in the air.

 

[IPS]

The claim was that he wouldn't be able to put on weight and strength this offseason, and it was ruining him, which was clearly incorrect.

This never got claimed. No clue what you're even talking about.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Such a beast.

The weakest part of his game is probably skating.. and even that is at least average. Looks like a young Mo, but imo with a higher potential.

His skating is not that great but he makes up for it with his IQ offensively at least. I just worry about pinches and getting back in time...I at least feel confident he knows what to do in 2vs1 situations...unlike Reilly who seems to have forgotten just about everything about defense this year.

 

[Dekes For Days]

This never got claimed. No clue what you're even talking about.

It absolutely got claimed. There was a whole big discussion about it, and then it turned into false and misleading claims about when defensemen typically reach the NHL.

 

[saltming]

His skating is not that great but he makes up for it with his IQ offensively at least. I just worry about pinches and getting back in time...I at least feel confident he knows what to do in 2vs1 situations...unlike Reilly who seems to have forgotten just about everything about defense this year.

His acceleration is not great but his edges and lateral mobility are amazing.
The real strength is his ability to control the play. As he gets better he will be a general on the ice always in the right place at the right time type thing, speeds up the game when needed or slows it down when needed

 

[TheDoldrums]

Relax. He's played enough NHL games to count on a single hand.

You have 32 fingers?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

The claim was that he wouldn't be able to put on weight and strength this offseason, and it was ruining him, which was clearly incorrect. It's not a "waste of time" to keep important depth in game shape for a playoff run, especially when the specifics of how the playoffs would look were so up in the air.

This never got claimed. No clue what you're even talking about.

I’ll vouch for Deke’s here and say I saw that take too. Don’t recall who it was but that was definitely an argument that was made.

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

Love this. Watching it on repeat.

Where were you when Blake Wheeler was kill

 

[crump]

Nice read by Sandin on the Tavares goal. Saw the line change on the 4/4, Poolman (#3) seemed to forget it was 4 on 4. Sandin expoited the weakness..win

 

[justashadowof]

I remember one poster on here specifically saying Sandin was too small to play and Dubas doesn't know how to draft.

Wonder what he has to say now?

I remember listening to the 1st round of that 2018 draft on a radio stream (TSN?). Every pick got glowing reviews with every positive aspect of each pick underlined repeatedly. It seemed like the greatest draft in league history. Then came the Leafs' pick, Sandin, everything was negative about him other than his bravery on the ice. He was underskilled, undersized, average skating, overconfident, weak, needlessly reckless, worn down by the opposition in the OHL playoffs, his stock value was dropping and on and on. That sure didn't age well.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I remember listening to the 1st round of that 2018 draft on a radio stream (TSN?). Every pick got glowing reviews with every positive aspect of each pick underlined repeatedly. It seemed like the greatest draft in league history. Then came the Leafs' pick, Sandin, everything was negative about him other than his bravery on the ice. He was underskilled, undersized, average skating, overconfident, weak, needlessly reckless, worn down by the opposition in the OHL playoffs, his stock value was dropping and on and on. That sure didn't age well.

Any idea who the hosts and analysts on the radio were? Or was it just the NBCSN broadcast given through radio?

 

[justashadowof]

Any idea who the hosts and analysts on the radio were? Or was it just the NBCSN broadcast given through radio?

The analyst was someone labelled as an amateur scout. I thought it was something streamed through one of the Toronto sports radio stations (I guessed TSN). I've tried to find it and can't.

 

[justashadowof]

If anyone is interested, while searching for that info I found the only thread I remember ever starting (with my old dead account) where a few of us brave souls committed to record our attempt to out-draft Dubas for the 2018 draft:

Let's Try To Out-Draft Kyle Dubas - June 2018

 

[Griffin76]

In the cap world it would be possible but I believe Muzz must be protected because he has a NTC.

Don't think that kicks in till July 1st. Guessing it was set up that way just in case his play fell way off.

 

[therealkoho]

He processes the game at a very high level and it looks like he is getting stronger. When he becomes a bulldog he will be 1st pair quality

Yes he does, and as far as physical strength goes he's almost there, now he just needs to learn how to take control of the game.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Kaberle clone.
Won't kill you with anything (speed, size, shot etc) but between the ears, a very sturdy dman that makes confident plays even in pressure cooker situations.

 

[unitedstars87]

Kaberle clone.
Won't kill you with anything (speed, size, shot etc) but between the ears, a very sturdy dman that makes confident plays even in pressure cooker situations.

Could you imagine prime Kaberle in today’s NHL

 

[saltming]

Yes he does, and as far as physical strength goes he's almost there, now he just needs to learn how to take control of the game.

That will come with experience and quickly imo
Just a great pick

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Could you imagine prime Kaberle in today’s NHL

One of my all time favourite leafs he would be killing it in todays NHL.

But I don't miss yelling SHOOT on the powerplay 50 times a game lol.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I remember listening to the 1st round of that 2018 draft on a radio stream (TSN?). Every pick got glowing reviews with every positive aspect of each pick underlined repeatedly. It seemed like the greatest draft in league history. Then came the Leafs' pick, Sandin, everything was negative about him other than his bravery on the ice. He was underskilled, undersized, average skating, overconfident, weak, needlessly reckless, worn down by the opposition in the OHL playoffs, his stock value was dropping and on and on. That sure didn't age well.

Don't know if it's in their developmental philosophy in their youth or what have you but Swedes seem to produce smart D Men.

As long as he maintains a strong defensive focus, the fast transition and PP QB potential will be a bonus.

One change I would like to see from the D on the PP are more shots from the point. In general, more one-timers from all players. I'm not sure he is a shot threat. Even if just a wrister, we have been lacking this on the PP.

 

[Warden of the North]

Could you imagine prime Kaberle in today’s NHL

He still wouldn't shoot.

But his assist totals would be outrageous

 

[Maplebeasts]

Such a beast.

The weakest part of his game is probably skating.. and even that is at least average. Looks like a young Mo, but imo with a higher potential.

I don't see the Mo comparison at all. He's much slower but makes up for it with a much better shot and IQ in both ends.

 

[Tarmore]

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He still wouldn't shoot.

But his assist totals would be outrageous

He didn't shoot as often as I would have liked either but, the man scored 87 times in 984 regular season games. (according to HockeyDB Tomas Kaberle Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com) not too bad for a Dman.

I also thought ha played more in the league after leaving the Leafs, only 10 games with Montreal.