Rasmus Ristolainen: The $5M, 0 percentile defenseman

[FLYguy3911]

Two games away from Sanheim and the WOWY stats flipped.

 

[Hockeypete49]

Man do I miss Hagg. Chuck you got boned on that deal.

 

[deadhead]

By the TDL, they'll have a better idea what they have in Risto (especially with Yeo, not AV, in charge) and I figure Fletcher will have either negotiated an extension or will move him out - if the Flyers are out of playoff contention no reason to keep him around if he won't sign at a rate commiserate with his production.

2nd pair guys get something on the order of $4-5M for 4 years or so.
If his agent wants to play hard ball, trade him and sign someone similar with the money.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

By the TDL, they'll have a better idea what they have in Risto (especially with Yeo, not AV, in charge) and I figure Fletcher will have either negotiated an extension or will move him out - if the Flyers are out of playoff contention no reason to keep him around if he won't sign at a rate commiserate with his production.

2nd pair guys get something on the order of $4-5M for 4 years or so.
If his agent wants to play hard ball, trade him and sign someone similar with the money.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if he is playing so badly - so Ristoesque - that you don't want to re-sign him, why the f*** would you go out and "sign someone similar"?

 

[deadhead]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if he is playing so badly - so Ristoesque - that you don't want to re-sign him, why the f*** would you go out and "sign someone similar"?

Risto is still playing a lot better than Savard, who a number of people wanted to sign.
Be careful what you wish for . . .

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Risto is still playing a lot better than Savard, who a number of people wanted to sign.
Be careful what you wish for . . .

I didn't wish for f***ing Savard, nor did anyone else on here with any sense. Again, MUST we sign complete pieces of shit one after the other? Are those our only choices? Those are rhetorical questions, so I am begging you to just let them be.

 

[deadhead]

I didn't wish for f***ing Savard, nor did anyone else on here with any sense. Again, MUST we sign complete pieces of shit one after the other? Are those our only choices? Those are rhetorical questions, so I am begging you to just let them be.

Often they are the only choices. Like Hayes v Duchene when we were desperate for a center.
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you pick Patrick.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Often they are the only choices. Like Hayes v Duchene when we were desperate for a center.
Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you pick Patrick.

No one in the history of the universe has ever been that desperate for a center.

 

[Striiker]

No one in the history of the universe has ever been that desperate for a center.

You have to pick

A) Shitty center as a cheap placeholder
or
B) Shitty center on a long horrible contract

Tough choice

 

[deadhead]

I think anyone who had to watch Filppula and Lehtera play center would have more respect for Hayes.

 

[flyerslducks]

No one in the history of the universe has ever been that desperate for a center.

Look at the wild with their bonafide top 6 centers. They would never want hayes and his shit contract

 

[ValeriKamensky]

It`s all about reputation. He`s overpaided for sure, but this is about his contract, not about trade cost.
Since a very poore start Risto IMO our best D. Advanced stat is for nerds.

 

[kudymen]

I think anyone who had to watch Filppula and Lehtera play center would have more respect for Hayes.

So about your "tallest midget" remark yesterday

 

[BillDineen]

So risto is still going to want to be paid as if he can produce offensively and some other gm will prob pay him too much.

Chuck is between a rock and a hard place and risto's agent will eat him alive.

Trading him at the deadline makes sense, but be an admission of losing the trade l, so I doubt chuck has the balls to do it.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

So risto is still going to want to be paid as if he can produce offensively and some other gm will prob pay him too much.

Chuck is between a rock and a hard place and risto's agent will eat him alive.

Trading him at the deadline makes sense, but be an admission of losing the trade l, so I doubt chuck has the balls to do it.

He doesn't even have the balls to say "No" to his agent. Risto is going to get what he wants, even if what he wants is to get out of here. The GMs of 31 other teams love shitty defensemen, or at least don't like good ones.

 

[deadhead]

So risto is still going to want to be paid as if he can produce offensively and some other gm will prob pay him too much.

Chuck is between a rock and a hard place and risto's agent will eat him alive.

Trading him at the deadline makes sense, but be an admission of losing the trade l, so I doubt chuck has the balls to do it.

Nah, just blame it on AV. I got him what he wanted, but going forward, Risto isn't a good fit at the price his agent demands.
Risto has been solid, nothing special, but the Sanheim - Risto pair are a good fit, at the right age to extend both, but neither is worth top dollar.
Risto - 5x4.5
Sanheim - 6x6
Otherwise move on.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nah, just blame it on AV. I got him what he wanted, but going forward, Risto isn't a good fit at the price his agent demands.
Risto has been solid, nothing special, but the Sanheim - Risto pair are a good fit, at the right age to extend both, but neither is worth top dollar.
Risto - 5x4.5
Sanheim - 6x6
Otherwise move on.

Risto is Fletcher's project. Fletcher coveted him for years.

Do not rewrite history to scapegoat others for Fletcher's nonstop failures.

 

[Appleyard]

Two games away from Sanheim and the WOWY stats flipped.

Not a great surprise even if ignore past records given micro-stats of the two...

 

[Curufinwe]

Fletcher was talking to Buffalo about Risto going back to summer 2019 before AV even coached a game.

 

[renberg]

Nah, just blame it on AV. I got him what he wanted, but going forward, Risto isn't a good fit at the price his agent demands.
Risto has been solid, nothing special, but the Sanheim - Risto pair are a good fit, at the right age to extend both, but neither is worth top dollar.
Risto - 5x4.5
Sanheim - 6x6
Otherwise move on.

I’m not totally sold on the two guys as a pair. Need more time for evaluation. The game seems to move faster than Risto’s mind. So far TS has been able to accommodate that. However why hold Sanheim back just to nurse along Ristolainen? It should all be moot in a while. Ristolainen is an UFA after this season. Some clown GM will give him a raise which will be more than your predicted offer. He’ll be gone. Trade him before that.

 

[deadhead]

I would expect Fletcher to push for an extension before the TDL, by the TDL you'll have enough time to know if he's worth extending and at what price. If Fletcher can't get him on his terms, he should trade Risto and call up Zamula to replace him. Then use the prospect of NHL time to entice St Ivany and Attard to sign in April.

The worst move would be to let Risto play out the season and then push his price up by approaching free agency, where you either overpay or let him leave and get nothing in return.

 

[renberg]

I would expect Fletcher to push for an extension before the TDL, by the TDL you'll have enough time to know if he's worth extending and at what price. If Fletcher can't get him on his terms, he should trade Risto and call up Zamula to replace him. Then use the prospect of NHL time to entice St Ivany and Attard to sign in April.

The worst move would be to let Risto play out the season and then push his price up by approaching free agency, where you either overpay or let him leave and get nothing in return.

I would think that Ristolainen's agent already has a feel for the numbers that his client will get as an UFA. Fletcher should know what those numbers are now. There's no need to dink around with him. Either sign him or trade him. I'd prefer the latter. When I watch him play, the game looks to be a couple of places ahead of where he is. That's not a good sign. It was the same for him in Buffalo.

 

[deadhead]

I would think that Ristolainen's agent already has a feel for the numbers that his client will get as an UFA. Fletcher should know what those numbers are now. There's no need to dink around with him. Either sign him or trade him. I'd prefer the latter. When I watch him play, the game looks to be a couple of places ahead of where he is. That's not a good sign. It was the same for him in Buffalo.

I don't think so at all. The league probably is uncertain about Risto b/c Buffalo was a weird situation.
Turns out, playing for AV this season was just as weird.

I think teams will look at the Flyer players in terms of January onward, that is, once Yeo has time to install changes and run a more "conventional" scheme that will give a better feel for what players can do.
And Risto's value will depend on if he shows consistent play over the next couple months.

By March, GMs around the league will have a better feel for Risto and the market will be established, but that doesn't mean his agent will accept it, if he considers $5.6M the starting point, Risto may end up a rental and wait a while in free agency.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I would think that Ristolainen's agent already has a feel for the numbers that his client will get as an UFA. Fletcher should know what those numbers are now. There's no need to dink around with him. Either sign him or trade him. I'd prefer the latter. When I watch him play, the game looks to be a couple of places ahead of where he is. That's not a good sign. It was the same for him in Buffalo.

If Risto is one-on-one without a single other factor to worry about (other players, passing Lanes, etc) then be can make a play. In every other situation where he has more than a single thing directly in front of him, he collapses. That level of braining is worth about 1 million, tops, if you have no other alternative. Fletcher will probably try to give him 6 million.


Ristolainen actually is what Deady tried to delude everyone into thinking Ghost is. But without being a specialist at anything. It's bad. We paid a ton for this. We paid a 1D level package total to fit him, and have nonsense to show for it.

 

[Hanover Fist]

The only thing you do with Risto is cut him loose cauterize the wound and move on.