Ranking Dubas' worst transactions - #4 (CLOSED)

[Dekes For Days]

Actually, most people seem to realize just the opposite. You should actually read and try to understand what most posters here are saying.

Most people realize that it's Lou's fault. I understand perfectly what the few posters here arguing otherwise are saying, and why they are attempting it, but they're clearly wrong. Lou signed him, with full knowledge of the consequences. The consequences of the signing are on Lou. He doesn't get absolved because the new GM didn't sabotage the team to accommodate the error.

 

[Leafsguard]

I think the 'worst' thing he did is someting he DIDN'T do. Get a core piece on a relative value contract.
On the surface and looking at them individually, the core didn't sign deals I would consider outrageously expensive. The problem is NONE of them you got on a team friendly deal.

Tkachuk at $9.5 is pretty good. Hintz at $8.4m, Robertson at $7.5. A 21 year old Tim Stutzle long term at $8.3m. Jack Hughes at 8.0m. Tage Thompson at $7.1m. Those are value deals.

Dubas wasn't bad because he overpaid everyone. He might be bad because he could not find a way to get one or two of the guys on a team friendly deal.

In fairness the Leafs deals were pre-Covid. The deals that you stated were during Covid when you had a frozen cap. With what Tkachuk has done he could easily be at $11-12M had there been no pandemic, same goes for Hughes and Thompson.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Most people realize that it's Lou's fault. I understand perfectly what the few posters here arguing otherwise are saying, and why they are attempting to make those claims, but they're clearly wrong. Lou signed him, with full knowledge of the consequences. The consequences of the signing are on Lou. He doesn't get absolved because the new GM didn't sabotage the team to accommodate the error.

You don't even realize that here are more posters here who laugh at your posts than agree with them.

 

[ToneDog]

No question Lou left Dumabass a hand grenade with the last year of the Marleau deal but the dummy pulled the pin when he gave up a first.

 

[ACC1224]

You don't even realize that here are more posters here who laugh at your posts than agree with them.

Always found it weird that when you laugh at someone's post they are credited with a 'Like'.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You don't even realize that here are more posters here who laugh at your posts than agree with them.

I realize that there are a few vocal posters here on this board who would rather laugh at a post (which they don't seem to realize just gives me free likes) that they have no valid argument against than accept the facts within it. They don't seem to realize that I don't care. The facts are the facts, that's all I care about, and there is a much bigger majority who agree with me.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I realize that there are a few vocal posters here on this board who would rather laugh at a post (which they don't seem to realize just gives me free likes) that they have no valid argument against than accept the facts within it. They don't seem to realize that I don't care. The facts are the facts, that's all I care about, and there is a much bigger majority who agree with me.

I agree that the laughing showing up as likes is odd. I guess it's because they have no way of differentiating between 'laughing with' and 'laughing at'.

Generally when people are laughing at your posts, it's because they are so wrong that they are unintentionally humorous. And of course most of us are fully aware that there is no point in arguing with you, as you never seem to actually discuss anything, but just repeat your same odd opinions over and over until there is nothing to do but laugh.

Obviously you don't care, or you would be too embarrassed to continue with your opinions that virtually nobody agrees with.

Always found it weird that when you laugh at someone's post they are credited with a 'Like'.

Confusion between 'laughing with' and 'laughing at' I guess.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Generally when people are laughing at your posts, it's because they are so wrong that they are unintentionally humorous.

Quite the contrary. It's because they know I'm correct, and have no argument against it. So they hide behind emotes. Or just directly attack the poster, like you have done.
I don't really care what those people think. I care more about the facts than public opinion, though most agree with me, for good reason.

 

[Cams]

No question Lou left Dumabass a hand grenade with the last year of the Marleau deal but the dummy pulled the pin when he gave up a first.

Would it have been better than to not make a deal or buy him out though.......the cap situation would've been worse, no?
It was a bad contract followed by a bad, if not forced, move.

I'm not here defending the good or bad moves Dubas made - he made good moves and signings, and some not so good ones, just like every other GM.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Quite the contrary. It's because they know I'm correct, and have no argument against it. So they hide behind emotes. Or just directly attack the poster, like you have done.
I don't really care what those people think. I care more about the facts than public opinion, though most agree with me, for good reason.

I'm not 'attacking the poster', just trying to help you understand.

If you cared about the facts, maybe you'd pay attention to them.

But you won't, and your only response with be some variation of "I'm right", so I won't waste any more time.

 

[ToneDog]

Would it have been better than to not make a deal or buy him out though.......the cap situation would've been worse, no?
It was a bad contract followed by a bad, if not forced, move.

I'm not here defending the good or bad moves Dubas made - he made good moves and signings, and some not so good ones, just like every other GM.

Cap was worse because Dubas made it so with the overpayments. Could have bridged Marner and/or Matthews and/or moved Kappy and/or AJ. Dubas painted himself into a corner and Carolina made him pay.

 

[ACC1224]

Cap was worse because Dubas made it so with the overpayments. Could have bridged Marner and/or Matthews and/or moved Kappy and/or AJ. Dubas painted himself into a corner and Carolina made him pay.

Indisputable fact.
Lou Lam made a bad signing, Dubas made it worse.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm not 'attacking the poster', just trying to help you understand.
If you cared about the facts, maybe you'd pay attention to them.

You sidestepped the discussion after post #76 in this thread, and switched entirely to personal attacks and misrepresentations of me, the poster.
I care about the facts, and that's why my posts are all about the facts.
Lou is responsible for the consequences of the bad signing he made, just like any other GM is responsible for the consequences of their signings.
Lou does not get absolved because the next GM didn't sabotage the team to accommodate the error.

 

[ToneDog]

Indisputable fact.
Lou Lam made a bad signing, Dubas made it worse.

I liked Lou but I'd be bullshittig you if I defended that move. What gets me is some Dubasites still will not admit that Dubas f***ed up the Marleau trade.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You sidestepped the discussion after post #76 in this thread, and switched entirely to personal attacks and misrepresentations of me, the poster.
I care about the facts, and that's why my posts are all about the facts.
Lou is responsible for the consequences of the bad signing he made, just like any other GM is responsible for the consequences of their signings.
Lou does not get absolved because the next GM didn't sabotage the team to accommodate the error.

You deleted my last statement, and then just proved it correct. Well done!

 

[ACC1224]

I liked Lou but I'd be bullshittig you if I defended that move. What gets me is some Dubasites still will not admit that Dubas f***ed up the Marleau trade.

Weirdest phenomenon in the 20 years I've been on this board.
IMO, it's just an attention grab. I don't give it to them, wish more would follow.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You deleted my last statement, and then just proved it correct. Well done!

Quite the contrary. My post was all about paying attention to the facts. You actually proved your last statement incorrect, by replying to me.

 

[Cams]

I liked Lou but I'd be bullshittig you if I defended that move. What gets me is some Dubasites still will not admit that Dubas f***ed up the Marleau trade.

Yes, trading the 1st wasn't good, but again...what were the other options? There isn't any good to this, and don't lump me in as a Dubasite.

Honestly though....I didn't care for Lou much either. He is/was a dinosaur. He helped with the tank to get Matthews 1st OA which anyone would've picked him. People complain about Marchment being dealt by Dubas, but not Verhaege being dealt by Lou?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yes, trading the 1st wasn't good, but again...what were the other options? There isn't any good to this, and don't lump me in as a Dubasite.

Honestly though....I didn't care for Lou much either. He is/was a dinosaur. He helped with the tank to get Matthews 1st OA which anyone would've picked him. People complain about Marchment being dealt by Dubas, but not Verhaege being dealt by Lou?

Sabotaging the team during a competitive phase to accommodate a massive liability was the only other option, and that's obviously not a real option.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Quite the contrary. My post was all about paying attention to the facts. You actually proved your last statement incorrect, by replying to me.

The one you deliberately deleted because you knew I was right, but can never admit it, or face the facts?

 

[ToneDog]

Yes, trading the 1st wasn't good, but again...what were the other options? There isn't any good to this, and don't lump me in as a Dubasite.

Honestly though....I didn't care for Lou much either. He is/was a dinosaur. He helped with the tank to get Matthews 1st OA which anyone would've picked him. People complain about Marchment being dealt by Dubas, but not Verhaege being dealt by Lou?

Never considered you a Dubasite. Yeah that 5 for 1 deal with the Isles was another fail by Lou. Never understood it. Lou has lost it the last few years with the Isles. 7 years for Engvall makes me think it is time for him to hang them up.

 

[ToneDog]

Sabotaging the team during a competitive phase to accommodate a massive liability was the only other option, and that's obviously not a real option.

And what exactly did that team accomplish? Sweet f*** all. Truth is, Dubas and Shanny read the team leaves correctly once in 5 attempts. It took losing to Ayres for them to realize it the one time. They were never close and playoffs (5 playoff wins is a long way from 16) results prove it, as much as you won't admit it.

 

[Dekes For Days]

And what exactly did that team accomplish?

Same as 30 other teams. Not winning the cup doesn't mean every other GM should have sabotaged their team the previous offseason.

The one you deliberately deleted because you knew I was right

I left it out because it was yet another misrepresentation of me, that had no relevance to the discussion or the facts in my post. Not interested in your personal attacks.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes, trading the 1st wasn't good, but again...what were the other options? There isn't any good to this, and don't lump me in as a Dubasite.

Honestly though....I didn't care for Lou much either. He is/was a dinosaur. He helped with the tank to get Matthews 1st OA which anyone would've picked him. People complain about Marchment being dealt by Dubas, but not Verhaege being dealt by Lou?

That's the problem. Maxing out the cap left them with no options.

 

[ToneDog]

Same as 30 other teams. Not winning the cup doesn't mean every other GM should have sabotaged their team the previous offseason.

I left it out because it was yet another misrepresentation of me, that had no relevance to the discussion or the facts in my post. Not interested in your personal attacks.

I would hardly call fitting Marleau's cap hit in for the last year, "sabotizing" the team but Dekes will be Dekes. Even so, sometimes taking a step back to take two forward is the smart move. Dubas and Shanny were either too smart or too stupid to realize it. The smartest thing Shanny has done in almost 10 years is to sabotage the team to get Matty. Been downhill for Shanadumb since.