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Ranking Dubas' worst transactions - #4 (CLOSED)
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Matthews contract which triggered the Marner contract which then cost the Leafs Hymen and Marchment as there were no funds to pay either player and will now likely cost Nylander as well.
Way to go you moron.
Way to go you moron.
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The Iceman
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I am holding out until we get to 8th worst move....that is where it will get really interesting 
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I picked Foligno but it was a tough choice as there are so many mistakes to pick from.
I think the 'worst' thing he did is someting he DIDN'T do. Get a core piece on a relative value contract.
On the surface and looking at them individually, the core didn't sign deals I would consider outrageously expensive. The problem is NONE of them you got on a team friendly deal.
Tkachuk at $9.5 is pretty good. Hintz at $8.4m, Robertson at $7.5. A 21 year old Tim Stutzle long term at $8.3m. Jack Hughes at 8.0m. Tage Thompson at $7.1m. Those are value deals.
Dubas wasn't bad because he overpaid everyone. He might be bad because he could not find a way to get one or two of the guys on a team friendly deal.
On the surface and looking at them individually, the core didn't sign deals I would consider outrageously expensive. The problem is NONE of them you got on a team friendly deal.
Tkachuk at $9.5 is pretty good. Hintz at $8.4m, Robertson at $7.5. A 21 year old Tim Stutzle long term at $8.3m. Jack Hughes at 8.0m. Tage Thompson at $7.1m. Those are value deals.
Dubas wasn't bad because he overpaid everyone. He might be bad because he could not find a way to get one or two of the guys on a team friendly deal.
A GM's not really in control of how great their top players are at a young age prior to signing.
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Probably not worth keeping going. The rest are varying degrees of bad, but not terrible like the first three.
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Trying to decide among these is really depressing.
Did Dubas ever make some terrible moves.
I went with the Murray trade for the reason that unlike most on the list it wasn't a trade/signing that just didn't work out in the end, it was a move that everyone (except Dubas apparently) knew was going to be a disaster the moment he made it.
Did Dubas ever make some terrible moves.
I went with the Murray trade for the reason that unlike most on the list it wasn't a trade/signing that just didn't work out in the end, it was a move that everyone (except Dubas apparently) knew was going to be a disaster the moment he made it.
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I am going to play Devil's Advocate and say Murray wasn't really all that awful. However, you can't ignore that when you consider injuries, there were very few possible ways that was going to work out. I actually preferred Murray to Talbot, and I think that was justified in the end.
Foligno and Mrazek were worse for me. Both felt terrible right from day 1.
Will never understand how Dubas went from skill/speed obsession to bringing in the slowest dudes in the NHL. It's not hard to play against Foligno, or Simmonds, or even Lybushkin. It's hard to play against teams that make you work your bag off skating. If those skaters have some meanness to them, that is the real gold.
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Mrazek by a hair ahead of follicularly challenged Foligno. At least Murray had the potential of being good if he could recover his SC form without getting injured. But those two were not going to be good right from the concept of acquiring them.
Yeah, that was an unnecessary trade.
Another self-inflicted move because if he played his cards (the cap) right, he'd easily have been able to let Marleau play out that remaining year of his contract. Regardless of how overpaid it was.
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I'm not a Dubas-ite by any stretch, but the Marleau situation was ALL Lou. No way in hell he should have signed a 35+ player on the downside of his career, playing out the string to reach a useless milestone...let alone paying said player over 6 mil for 3 YEARS! Talk about screwing the cap. If Marleau is signed to a reasonable 2 or 3 mil for 2 years, as he should have been, we could have kept him or dealt him off at the end of his contract for something. Instead, Dubas inherits a millstone that handicapped him and forced him to give up a pick to dump the contract. Its amazing people scream about giving Reaves 3 years at 1.3, and we don't hear a peep about that Marleau debacle.
And BTW...if you don't think Marleau was in M&M's ear telling them that they should push for the most they can squeeze out of management, then you're as delusional as Uncle Lou was when he offered that deal.
So far
1. Signing a player that most people wanted and virtually every GM would do
2. Overpaying a star player by ~1 million
3. Trading a player who could not be trusted, who also got suspended with his new team
This list is laughable so far
The Murray trade is no longer bad.
Marleau is thanks to Lou, if you think otherwise, then everything happening with our stars now is on Treliving.
Foligno they overpaid by probably a 4th.
Marchment is not good.
McCann is a playoff no-show (conveniently doesn't matter for some now).
Matthews is not a bad contract.
Mrazek was a bad contract in hindsight, he was a decent goalie but probably given too much.
1. Signing a player that most people wanted and virtually every GM would do
2. Overpaying a star player by ~1 million
3. Trading a player who could not be trusted, who also got suspended with his new team
This list is laughable so far
The Murray trade is no longer bad.
Marleau is thanks to Lou, if you think otherwise, then everything happening with our stars now is on Treliving.
Foligno they overpaid by probably a 4th.
Marchment is not good.
McCann is a playoff no-show (conveniently doesn't matter for some now).
Matthews is not a bad contract.
Mrazek was a bad contract in hindsight, he was a decent goalie but probably given too much.
Tufted Titmouse
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You may as well just cheer for the Penguins at this point
The Iceman
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Look at the bright side.
We FLIPPED Filip Hallinder for McCann.
All we really lost in the expansion draft was Hallinder. I would rank that up against almost any team for the smallest loss.
ACC1224
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Being such a hardcore fan of a suit is certainly bizarreYou may as well just cheer for the Penguins at this point
You may as well just cheer for the Penguins at this point
Unlike a lot of people on this board, I have no love or hate for people I don't know, I think it is very weird that so many do.
I just don't see a lot of bad moves here, sorry that you disagree.
I find it very weird that people say things like this instead of addressing what I post, I usually assume they think I am right, but hate the person who made the moves so can't admit it.
I also like most of Treliving's moves so far, can I cheer for the Leafs too?
If his moves don't bring a lot of success is he going to be hated as much as Dubas? I have my doubts.
