Ranking Dubas' worst transactions - #1

[tmlfan98]

Rielly is paid under market value. Darnell nurse is getting 9 million, that’s gross

Rielly's contract is going to age like milk, same as Nurse.

 

[ULF_55]

Rielly's contract is going to age like milk, same as Nurse.

Love extra old cheddar, and many other cheeses.

 

[Notsince67]

Swap Marner and Matthews and I agree. No chance a Winger should make that much.

scratches head....
Marner is not the highest paid winger in league history based on cap percentage.
Not only that, if he gets Kanes UFA contract at a projected 92mm salary cap, he could be looking at a 14mm salary. And Kane isn't number one either.

 

[tmlfan98]

Love extra old cheddar, and many other cheeses.

What about expired milk?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

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The problem with the Tavares deal wasn't Tavares himself, it's "was it the right move at the time". It seemed like a heft contract and to me, it felt 1-2 years too early for our group.


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The COVI excuse is exhausting. Leafs didn't need an 11m aging C, they needed dmen and depth.



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I actually am on Dubas side on this one. Sparks was spectacular in the AHL - you can't block him with an older goalie who doesn't have 1G potential. I still think he made the right gamble there, but he lost.

No respect. Oh well.

 

[Notsince67]

What about expired milk?

Milk of the poppy ages well

 

[Captain Crunch]

Think it's gotta be the Tavares contract because theres just been a massive snowball effect since that signing.

Its caused all our cap troubles, it caused Matthews and Marner to get extremely overpaid, caused the trade of Kadri etc etc, the list goes on.

Matthews and Marner do not get off that easy. They were all about themselves and their bank accounts! Greedy you-know-whats! NO hometown discounts that Shanny thought they would agree to.

 

[Gabriel426]

Re read the johnsson signing thread.. always interesting

A few had it right.. it was a dumb contract imo then. He was a trade chip and should have been used as such

Injuries probably derailed his career and he was coming off a 20goals season.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Nice to see a unique thread.

For me it's caving to Nylander or Marleau.
Went with Marleau since that pissed me off more.

* I don't blame him at all for Tavares.

Are you blaming Dubas for having to include a first for trading Marleau?

 

[Arzak]

Dubas's worst transaction was his own contract re-negotiation.

I loved it.

Step 1: Overpay everyone

Step 2: Ask for Matthew's money, it worked for Marner

Step 3: Pens

I'm not saying I fully understand it. Just happy we could trade Dubas without sending out 1 st Rounder.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Dubas blew a lot of things but he comes nowhere near the worse transactions in Leaf history.
Tender mercies

Yup, like trading Rask for Raycroft, and two unprotected firsts for Kassel, and Courtnall for Koranic to name a few

 

[Captain Crunch]

To add further, it caused the Leafs to completely scrap the "rebuild" and rush into thinking every year could be the year so lets throw away all our assets and young players to try and win now.

Leafs have been nowhere near ready to compete despite all of this. What should have happened is to let the young team continue to develop and grow naturally, and when youve seen them finally take that step, you start making moves that increase your chances at contending

I have said this many times. Agree 100%!

 

[Magic Man]

If I was to rank them from best to worst, I'd have to say JT is clearly the best move of the bunch. He's a PPG center in his time with the Leafs. Every other move on that list is complete dud, my boy JT is a complete stud.

1. Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie - Clark/Tucker for small and soft, ripped the Leafs heart out.
2. Matthews extension - It looks like he will re-sign. So, it may not end up hurting us. But, he immediately put the Leafs in bad position, with a potentially shortened window.
3. Marleau trade - 40 point player with a 1st (Seth Jarvis) for nothing. Taken out back to the woodshed.
4. Trade down twice, skipping on Travis Konecny who was the obvious choice with their original pick, then pick Dermott over Aho after the second trade down.
5. Marchment for Malgin - Clark/Tucker for small and soft, would have added a pulse after Kadri left.
6. Marner extension - He will be an easier re-sign than Matthews I would imagine and they got an extra year of term on the first deal. But, Marner and Matthews both should have been clamped down to long term deals.
7. Protecting Holl and Kerfoot over McCann. Made some sense at the time to keep Holl, but McCann quickly proved that to be a poor move.
8. Mrazek contract - Raanta signed for 2M per for 2 seasons. It seemed a little steep from the start. He was a target for a lot of fans going into that summer though. Just we had hoped at Raanta's price. Cost the Leafs a significant drop in the draft.
9. Murray trade - He brought in some picks and served as an overpaid backup for a year. He will probably sit on LTIR next year. I don't think he'll end up hurting the team much.
10. Foligno trade - Another player that a lot of fans were hollering for around the deadline. He was a good target. Unfortunately he was banged up. Ended up being an over pay, but he had the right idea.
11. Tavares is probably his best move as GM.

 

[Arzak]

Yes, if he trades a 1st or 2nd to get rid of Murray. 100% right, he didnt need to sign Bertuzzi so he created part of this problem to be over the cap.

That will be on Treliving. You dont get rewarded for the hand you are dealt rather what you did with that hand. 2,3 off suit can beat pocket aces depending on how the player plays that hand.

What? I wanna play poker with you. You can call my AA with your 2,3 off pre-flop all day.

You can win some, but it should be clear it's 100% luck 0% skill in this scenario. AA needs to be slowplaying and you need to hit the jackpot to win.

Stick to hockey metaphors.

 

[nuck]

Glad he's gone but I'm ready to move on. Besides which we don't know how Murray or the contract extensions are going to end up.

 

[Racer88]

Tavares hands down but there is a large list for second place

 

[ACC1224]

Are you blaming Dubas for having to include a first for trading Marleau?

Yes

 

[notbias]

Would the Kadri trade have been better for people if he got suspended a 3rd time? So basically if we traded him two years after instead since he got suspended again...

Also, people complain about playoff no-shows... Literally, and on the score sheet, 12 games 2 goals 4 assists in the time he played with the new era Leafs. His best series was 2013 where he put up 4 points in 7.

On another note, people need to watch more hockey, Marchment is a 4th liner who had half a good season.

 

[Nineteen67]

Would the Kadri trade have been better for people if he got suspended a 3rd time? So basically if we traded him two years after instead since he got suspended again...

Also, people complain about playoff no-shows... Literally, and on the score sheet, 12 games 2 goals 4 assists in the time he played with the new era Leafs. His best series was 2013 where he put up 4 points in 7.

On another note, people need to watch more hockey, Marchment is a 4th liner who had half a good season.

Well “Marchment deal” has 0 votes.

But Malgin hasn’t had a half of a good game.

 

[phillipmike]

No it can't, not unless there is another 2 and 3 on the board, or a 4 5 and 6.

But a 2,3 off suit is not bluffing out pocket aces.

I think you're taking this metaphor too literal but yes it can if the person holding the aces folds as you said whats on the board. It has little to do with the game itself rather the player and how they play the hand.

Trading a 1st for Marleau was incredibly stupid but getting a 1st for Kappy was very good. Borh should have been unthinkable but the same GM made it happen.

 

[Nineteen67]

No it can't, not unless there is another 2 and 3 on the board, or a 4 5 and 6.

But a 2,3 off suit is not bluffing out pocket aces.

Dubas effed up a hand with three Aces and a King, so dont underestimate peoples ability to be bluffed.

 

[notbias]

Well “Marchment deal” has 0 votes.

But Malgin hasn’t had a half of a good game.

I saw someone mention it above that's why I mentioned it, sorry for upsetting you. Malgin was great in Colorado.

 

[AvroArrow]

3 years of Kadri at 4.5M for f***ing Barrie and Kerfoot. That is a top 5 worst trade in franchise history, maybe top 3.

Another dumbass move that isn't discussed enough

Trading down to draft Dermott, when Konecny was the consensus pick

 

[Michoulicious]

Let me know if I missed any.

Tavares contract was the big mistake that ruined everything afterwards. Without that, Marner/Matthews never get those shitty contracts.

Lou is partly to blame for ruining the relationship with Marner with the bonuses situation that then made Marner push hard to get the highest AAV he could.

 

[al secord]

He's gone. Why do you care?