Ranking Dubas' worst transactions - #1

[tmlfan98]

Not enough hate is being directed towards that disgusting and pathetic Marner contract. Treliving already has a huge strike for me when he didn't explore Marner trades at the draft before his NMC kicked in recently. Now we're stuck with this POS.

 

[Kazparov]

Not enough hate is being directed towards that disgusting and pathetic Marner contract. Treliving already has a huge strike for me when he didn't explore Marner trades at the draft before his NMC kicked in recently. Now we're stuck with this POS.

I dunno man I think you could always trade a guy like Marner. We get too myopic here and overly critical. I bet there'd be teams lining up for a guy like him.

 

[tmlfan98]

I dunno man I think you could always trade a guy like Marner. We get too myopic here and overly critical. I bet there'd be teams lining up for a guy like him.

Marner will never waive his NMC. Leafs are stuck with him now.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I get so pissed seeing people say this. It’s all hindsight. This was the place Tavares wanted to be. It didn’t matter who the GM was, he was signing here.

The funniest part about this whole shit is, if he didn’t sign Tavares, we probably still don’t have playoff success, this thread still exists and people would be blaming Dubas for his ability not to sign a marquee free agent in Tavares.

Additionally if you think Tavares was a Dubas decision alone get real. That mandate came straight from the board and Shanny.

Signing Tavares wasn’t the issue. Allowing all the RFA’s to be grossly overpaid was the issue. They should have been firm on them.

Thanks for the response.

It's not hindsight when people said it was a bad idea at the time. I wouldn't be too worried about people using hindsight to judge his performance while he was here anyway. That is literally what a job performance review is.

The fact hindsight has continued to shown him to be in the wrong is of more concern.

Once they signed Tavares I felt they should have traded one of the wingers (Nylander or Marner) for picks and prospects, and re-balance the roster by signing one of the big name free agent defensemen in Pietrangelo (my preference) or Hamilton.

You are correct. Signing Tavares wasn't a decision Dubas made alone. Shanahan, at least, would have needed to agree.

I'm sure there would have been all kinds of meetings, with all kinds of important people in suits, sitting around a big table talking about how they were gonna win the Stanley Cup in just a few short years.

A lack of foresight is an indictment on everyone who sat at that table and decided there was a shortcut to success.

 

[Kazparov]

Marner will never waive his NMC. Leafs are stuck with him now.

Right sorry forgot he has a full NMC now

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Marner will never waive his NMC. Leafs are stuck with him now.

If the AAV and term weren't enough to be mad at, how can you not be a little peeved by the NMCs Dubas handed out to all these guys.

Completely screwed us once the contracts ended, like they now are.

I kind of wished we had just dealt Matthews and Nylander, even though I love them both, when they didn't sign before their clauses kicked in. It's disgusting how much power our players have over the team.

It's a Lebron "LeGM" situation but without the same level of players.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Well, at least there's a thread now for incorrect claims about Dubas and past transactions to be consolidated. Seems weird to rehash all this though.

Lou never maxed out the cap.

Cap space in 2015-2016: $156,076
Cap space in 2016-2017: $178,601
Cap space in 2017-2018: $0

And that's with multiple superstars and a bunch of the team on ELCs!

 

[Captain Crunch]

I don’t believe that

You may be right, and I hope you are.

 

[ACC1224]

You may be right, and I hope you are.

Im sure he’s in on major decisions but the smaller stuff he wouldn’t need to be.

 

[The Iceman]

Not enough hate is being directed towards that disgusting and pathetic Marner contract. Treliving already has a huge strike for me when he didn't explore Marner trades at the draft before his NMC kicked in recently. Now we're stuck with this POS.

When is the last time trading a young 1st team all star worked out well for the team trading him?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

No, but he overpaid big time for Marleau. I’m not supporting Dubas, I never liked his trades and especially how he handled Matthews’ and Marner’s contracts. Overpaid by a lot and too short a term.

Are you saying he was overpaid because it cost a 1st to get out of a year of his contract, or he was overpaid in comparison to other hall of fame wingers' contracts? He had 27 goals w/ San Jose prior to coming to Toronto. In his first season with Toronto he had 27 goals again (4 G & 5 P in 7 playoff games). "Overpaid big time" ? Come on.

 

[LeafChief]

The Murray trade is the worst for me. It seemed bad as soon as it was done, especially considering the lack of retention and the lacklustre picks coming back with him.

I hoped that he would somehow find his way but it's just been bad.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Marner will never waive his NMC. Leafs are stuck with him now.

Dear God help us. We are stuck with a 99 point player.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Are you saying he was overpaid because it cost a 1st to get out of a year of his contract, or he was overpaid in comparison to other hall of fame wingers' contracts? He had 27 goals w/ San Jose prior to coming to Toronto. In his first season with Toronto he had 27 goals again (4 G & 5 P in 7 playoff games). "Overpaid big time" ? Come on.

True, but we were the only team willing to give him that 3rd year (sorry, I don’t have a source to confirm this), and that bit us in the ass!

 

[Canadian Finn]

his best transaction was his misassessment of his worth (gee, what a surprise).

thankfully that booted him out of Toronto.

wish he had done it years earlier.

 

[Ulysses31]

He should have signed willy to an 8x8

 

[Ianturnedbull]

True, but we were the only team willing to give him that 3rd year (sorry, I don’t have a source to confirm this), and that bit us in the ass!

I disagree. This has always been pro-Dubas propaganda. For years so many issues were never Dubas' fault they were always the other guy. The *new* and improved propaganda is that Shanahan did everything: contracts, drafting, scouting, cap management ,coaching, and trades. If there was ever an issue with equipment management that was him too.

 

[leafsfan5]

The worst move is the one he didn’t do, refusing to sign Marner to an 8 x 8 contract after Marner’s sophomore season

You save 2.9 per year on the Marner contract alone, and who knows how that impacts other contracts and the overall attitude the core has to negotiations

 

[ACC1224]

The worst move is the one he didn’t do, refusing to sign Marner to an 8 x 8 contract after Marner’s sophomore season

You save 2.9 per year on the Marner contract alone, and who knows how that impacts other contracts and the overall attitude the core has to negotiations

8.5 x 8 but you're right, pretty big miss.

 

[Peasy]

Him refusing to sign Matthews or Marner to an extension before Nylander because that might up Nylander's cost slightly was so dumb lmao. Yeah grats you saved a mill on Nylander perhaps but you just lost a bunch of years and dollars to Matthews and Marner.

 

[Bomber0104]

Wow, so many options to choose from!

 

[Dekes For Days]

The worst move is the one he didn’t do, refusing to sign Marner to an 8 x 8 contract after Marner’s sophomore season

Can't sign a deal that doesn't exist as an option.

 

[hamzarocks]

He was so bad with the big 4 contracts

JT at 11M should only have happened if he communicated to 34/16/88 that 11M is the too ceiling for the team

None of you three will get more than 11M for equal term. If your fine with that then we will bring JT in otherwise pass and keep building out the team

Nylander: he let him sit for 2 months and then gave him everything nylander wanted. Signing bonuses, NTC on his final year, almost 7M cap hit and only 6 year term.

Nylander should have been dealt. The blues were considering rebuilding that year with their terrible start. Nylander for Parayako+ or Pietrangelo was the trade we should have went in on

Marner: He wasn't a top 10 player in 2019 yet he got like the 4th highest AAV at the time. He isnt a guy whose good enough to be a top 5 or likely top 10 player in the league yet we paid him as if he were the best winger in the world. He punked dubas so bad it was shameful to follow

Matthews: No negotiation happened. We overpaid Matthews so badly it was absurd. At 5 years he should have come around 8.5M. He got a 3M overpay at the time of his signing as he had won nothing outside of a calder and had a terrible playoffs in 2018.

Dubas playing favourites and bending over backwards to these 4 cost us any chance to compete on their contracts (5 years of 88 wasted, 4 of 16, 4 of 34, and 5 of 91)

 

[kevsh]

Missed the poll by 2 minutes but I'd vote for Murray.

And my criteria is judging the deal itself, not for what came after - the domino effect, etc. (in which case it's easily the Tavares signing)

First, just about everyone and their sister were scratching their heads at the Murray trade at the time for the very reason it turned out to be bad: Murray was not reliable due to his health.

And in a year where the Leafs were under enormous pressure, for Dubas to put all his faith in the duo of always injured Murray and Samsonov (who had very little playoff experience) was a very bad gamble.

So it wasn't bad in that it looked good or okay at first but then failed, that can happen in any deal. it was bad the moment it was announced and lived up to it.

 

[AvroArrow]

So what could that have been??
Marner
For
Hanifin
+34th-Aho
+38th-Roope Hintz or Brandon Carlo

+ a 3rd

HMMMMMMM

If Dubas wanted Aho or Hintz or Carlo, he would've drafted anyone of those guys, but he chose Dermott at #34, so no. Very unlikely it would've been any of those guys, likely would have been a complete bust.