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What was Dubas' worst transaction?

  • Matthews contract

    Votes: 6 3.6%

  • Marner contract

    Votes: 27 16.1%

  • Mrazek contract

    Votes: 9 5.4%

  • Tavares contract

    Votes: 46 27.4%

  • Marchment trade

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Marleau trade (Seth Jarvis pick)

    Votes: 14 8.3%

  • Murray trade

    Votes: 22 13.1%

  • Kadri trade

    Votes: 28 16.7%

  • Foligno trade

    Votes: 8 4.8%

  • Protecting Holl and Kerfoot over McCann

    Votes: 6 3.6%
  • Total voters
    168
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notbias said:
Treliving will 100% be at fault for Murray? He didn't need to sign Bertuzzi, he made this an issue.
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Yes, if he trades a 1st or 2nd to get rid of Murray. 100% right, he didnt need to sign Bertuzzi so he created part of this problem to be over the cap.

That will be on Treliving. You dont get rewarded for the hand you are dealt rather what you did with that hand. 2,3 off suit can beat pocket aces depending on how the player plays that hand.
 
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Signing Tavares was the worst. This made the team get too good, too fast.

Having Tavares relieved Matthews of harder minutes and provided Marner with a 47-goal scorer on his line.

This enabled both Matthews and Marner to inflate their stats and sign more expensive contracts than they would have otherwise- this was the start of the salary cap problems.
 
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notbias said:
If Murray is moved for assets, Dubas will rightfully be blamed, just as Lou should be for Marleau, that is all I am saying.



Treliving will 100% be at fault for Murray? He didn't need to sign Bertuzzi, he made this an issue.
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You can't preemptively will things just because you have a crystal ball.
 
Tavares contract was one of Dubas best moves. He’s been one of the most productive free agent signings in NHL history. San Jose offered him 13 million. If Covid didn’t flatten the cap his contract would be a steal.
 
If Shanahan blocked trades he isn't responsible for some transactions, he's responsible for all.

Dubas/Shanny worst transaction: Kessel trade.
 
francis246 said:
Lol, who cares Sandin can’t play defense and literally got blown up every series. Sandin was never going to be a top 4 dman for us. So get what you could for him. We also needed to replenish the cupboards.
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I didn't even say I had a problem trading Sandin. My problem is what we traded him for... especially with the LW position being our biggest weakness at the deadline. Kerfoot on the top line? Jarnkrok on the top line? Bunting on the top line? how did that work out? Lafferty? Knies?

in 41 combined playoff games, we got 5 goals from our LW position in the playoffs.

let me ask you this, how did trading Sandin at the deadline, for a draft pick, help us in the playoffs?
 
Mr Bill Waters said:
You can't blame Dubas for Tavares. No one would give up getting an eliet #1C for free, and at a discount. Ya he's slowed down, but he is still a ppg #1C. Do none of you remember when we had the gallant but meager Bozak as our #1C? Really, some fans of this team have short memories. We are in an enviable position: we have the prospect of winning the cup in the next ten years with this core. But here many of you are, complaining about our captain and Dubas. I've never seen a fanbase so eager for blood.
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There were a few people that were warning they’d be exactly where they are now after signing JT.

I was for it, but I had taken Gord Millers approach and figured they were going to trade one of Marner or Nylander to try and balance out the roster.

Then came “we can and we will” which changed everything.
 
I voted Matthews contract because the contracts started the trickle down affect of Matthews and Marner wanted to get paid big. He needed to give them both more term and less money. He had all the power and the players walked away with everything they wanted. With more term and less money goes a long way to help build the leafs with proper depth and not be in the situation they are today.
 
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DuncanMacpherson said:
Tavares contract was one of Dubas best moves. He’s been one of the most productive free agent signings in NHL history. San Jose offered him 13 million. If Covid didn’t flatten the cap his contract would be a steal.
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How much do you think the Cap would have gone up if it wasn't for COVID? Like in order to view JT's contract as a steal, he needs to be like the 20-25 highest paid players and thats still arguable. Right now he is #7 highest paid in the league. That means over the past 3 years, 20 players needed to sign a bigger contract than JT. I don't think anyone can name 20players that teams willing to sing more than 11mil over the past 2-3yrs without COVID.
Makar and Pietra come to mind. Maybe S. Jones and Werenski. Then Johnny Hockey, Point, Tkachuk and Hubie. Don't think Oilers would ever offer 11mil for Nurse.
 
A1LeafNation said:
If Shanahan blocked trades he isn't responsible for some transactions, he's responsible for all.

Dubas/Shanny worst transaction: Kessel trade.
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It could have been good. Got Kapanen who was traded back for a 1st that ended up as Amirov I believe. The curse got us again.
 
BayStBullies said:
Swap Marner and Matthews and I agree. No chance a Winger should make that much.
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I could see that argument, but for me it seems worse because the media and fans alike tried and still tries to play it like it’s a normal contract. He got 8 year money on a 5 year deal, Marner got the same on 6 years, but Marner got a lot of criticism for it, Matthews’s didn’t seem to be hated as much.

Signing Matthews first also gave Marner the opportunity to try and leverage Matthews’s contract, stating that he was a PK’er and also outproduced him by years in in 2019.

Dubas dropped the ball on both of them, even nylander
 
socko said:
That absolute pure worst has to be the Foligno trade. That was terrible

But the most damaging, by far, was Tavares.
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Foligno trade has to be up there. Just crazy how stupid that was, and even a slightly better move probably gets them past Montreal. Actually in general it's pretty crazy that he's traded away 6 first round picks and 5 second round picks and all we have to show for it is Jake McCabe and a broken down Muzzin. Everything else has been to either get out of a bad deal or a rental
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NinjaKick said:
aside from the Tavares contract, I'm going with the Sandin trade. sure the draft pick is nice to have but how did a draft pick help us in the playoffs? we needed a top 6 lw and didnt get it. Kerfoot playing on the top lw in the playoffs... what the f... no wonder we lost.

the Sandin deal blew up in Dubas' face and his termination was warranted.
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Leafs87 said:
Honestly the Tavares deal was bad but he was a UFA center. The best to be on the market in a very long time. In his prime. There were higher offers. It set the tone for the internal budget, but there was a business case.

The Marner RFA deal looking the way it did however is inexcusable. That one gets my vote.
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The problem with the Tavares deal wasn't Tavares himself, it's "was it the right move at the time". It seemed like a heft contract and to me, it felt 1-2 years too early for our group.

Mitch nylander said:
Foligno trade is probably the worst and it's not an option.
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DuncanMacpherson said:
Tavares contract was one of Dubas best moves. He’s been one of the most productive free agent signings in NHL history. San Jose offered him 13 million. If Covid didn’t flatten the cap his contract would be a steal.
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The COVI excuse is exhausting. Leafs didn't need an 11m aging C, they needed dmen and depth.

LeafalCrusader said:
Some people still argue he did a good job? Protecting Justin Holl over McCaan at the expansion draft should make the list too.
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Ianturnedbull said:
The Garret Sparks Debacle


Losing Goaltending depth throughout the year.

Dubas tried to bring someone else to the organization (I don't remember the player's name), but they had to clear waivers. Boom another goalie plucked from Toronto. I think because of that Kallgren ended up in TOR.
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I actually am on Dubas side on this one. Sparks was spectacular in the AHL - you can't block him with an older goalie who doesn't have 1G potential. I still think he made the right gamble there, but he lost.
 
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phillipmike said:
Yes, if he trades a 1st or 2nd to get rid of Murray. 100% right, he didnt need to sign Bertuzzi so he created part of this problem to be over the cap.

That will be on Treliving. You dont get rewarded for the hand you are dealt rather what you did with that hand. 2,3 off suit can beat pocket aces depending on how the player plays that hand.
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No it can't, not unless there is another 2 and 3 on the board, or a 4 5 and 6.

But a 2,3 off suit is not bluffing out pocket aces.
 
francis246 said:
Lol, who cares Sandin can’t play defense and literally got blown up every series. Sandin was never going to be a top 4 dman for us. So get what you could for him. We also needed to replenish the cupboards.



Agreed!! He ended up getting a first for Kapanen the following season. I would have traded both of those guys first. Dubas overpaid both of them. We still had decent young guys at that point too. Trevor Moore was just coming up
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Re read the johnsson signing thread.. always interesting

A few had it right.. it was a dumb contract imo then. He was a trade chip and should have been used as such
 
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Hindsight is 20/20 but the Kadri trade was a huge fail. Traded a guy on a good deal for Barrie who was not a need and didn't work out, and a mid six winger. Kadri went into his prime and won the cup as a #2C and top PP player. The leafs aren't paying Kadri 8mil now but he could have been a difference maker against the Jackets and Habs

Colorado isn't beating St.Louis without Kadri in their cup run
 
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