Consider Cups/International Championships/Regular season success
Richard
Howe
Beliveau
Hull
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Jagr
Crosby
Ovechkin
McDavid
Richard
Howe
Beliveau
Hull
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Jagr
Crosby
Ovechkin
McDavid
I suppose Beliveau had the most team success in the time period in which he played...he played for a strong and deep team, and in an era when the overall talent in the league wasn't very strong or deep, and therefore the opposition was often relatively weak.
What does this tell us?
No, the Original 6 was certainly never strong nor deep in talent.O6 wasn't very strong or deep? The 1960s NHL was the best professional hockey league in history.
True that the league was imbalanced, but still.
I wonder how many players have been on more 118 point regular season teams than OV? Cant be many, especially if he adds a 4th season this year. Not saying that he is at the top of this group, but I'm impressed at how the Caps have been able to build 3 different strong teams around him.
Consider Cups/International Championships/Regular season success
Richard
Howe
Beliveau
Hull
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Jagr
Crosby
Ovechkin
McDavid
Something like that except that McDavid has to be last and Jagr has to be above Ovechkin and likely Hull.Béliveau
Richard/Gretzky
Crosby/Howe
Lemieux
Hull/Ovechkin
Jagr/McDavid
How do Bossy,Potvin and Trottier not make this list?
I suppose Beliveau had the most team success in the time period in which he played...he played for a strong and deep team, and in an era when the overall talent in the league wasn't very strong or deep, and therefore the opposition was often relatively weak.
What does this tell us?
Or, to quote Dave Keon: “The weak teams are Boston and New York. The strong ones are Toronto, Chicago, Montreal, and Gordie Howe.”The habs were an 06 superpower, but so were the leafs and the wings.
Other teams had their moments, but there was consistently 3 elite teams.
Or, to quote Dave Keon: “The weak teams are Boston and New York. The strong ones are Toronto, Chicago, Montreal, and Gordie Howe.”
Played less than a game on one of those cup win, terrible injury game 1.yeah, 4 Cups, that's a lot"
Pretty sure Howe won twice as many Cups as Orr. Obviously many more years played and Finals appearances but this thread isn't asking about the WHY.Beliveau
Richard
Gretzky
Crosby
Orr
Howe
Lemieux
Hull
Jagr
Ovechkin
McDavid
If you factor in Canada Cups you've got to put Gretzky #3 here. I've got Beliveau #1, no question about it. Can you name another player in NHL history who was on two dynasties? Henri Richard would be the other one, but as great as Henri was, this was Beliveau's teams for sure.
Yeah, he could have won more Cups. He also could have won less. Four Cups is a fair number considering how his career was nestled during several Montreal dynasties. Detroit won two of those Cups in game 7 in OT.Howe effectively played in a 3+3 League (3 always good teams, 3 always lousy teams). Detroit had a team good enough to win almost every year, I think it doesn't always get brought up enough that Howe probably should have won more Cups because it's easy to go "oh yeah, 4 Cups, that's a lot" but I think with more context it wasn't that much.
Pretty sure Howe won twice as many Cups as Orr. Obviously many more years played and Finals appearances but this thread isn't asking about the WHY.
The Canada Cup isn't relevant if you're going to discount the Original 6 because of lack of competition. The Canada Cup was 6 teams, with Finland/United States being overmatched. Orr played his career in the 70's where expansion teams were also frequently overmatched. Howe played in a six team league with Montreal having several dynasties and Toronto having their 60's dynasty. Yeah, there weren't many teams, but it's difficult to win more than 4 Cups in a league full of other dynasty teams with loaded rosters.He did win two more Cups, yes. Did it in 25 years vs. Orr's 10 though. Orr also has the 1976 Canada Cup. Not that Howe wasn't a great playoff performer, but from team success alone he didn't win a Cup after 1955. That was a long time, and this was mostly a 6-team league. I have to still give the edge to Orr here, slightly.
The Canada Cup isn't relevant if you're going to discount the Original 6 because of lack of competition. The Canada Cup was 6 teams, with Finland/United States being overmatched. Orr played his career in the 70's where expansion teams were also frequently overmatched. Howe played in a six team league with Montreal having several dynasties and Toronto having their 60's dynasty. Yeah, there weren't many teams, but it's difficult to win more than 4 Cups in a league full of other dynasty teams with loaded rosters.
If you want to compare Ovechkin's competition versus Howe's, that's one thing, but Orr's competition wasn't much tougher IMO.