Rank these GOAT talents by team success

[daver]

Consider Cups/International Championships/Regular season success

Richard
Howe
Beliveau
Hull
Orr
Gretzky
Lemieux
Jagr
Crosby
Ovechkin
McDavid

 

[Staniowski]

I suppose Beliveau had the most team success in the time period in which he played...he played for a strong and deep team, and in an era when the overall talent in the league wasn't very strong or deep, and therefore the opposition was often relatively weak.

What does this tell us?

 

[MadLuke]

From 1954 to 1971, Montreal won 25% more regular season games than anyone else, almost 2.5 time the amount of playoff games as anyone else.

10 president trophy and 10 stanley cups

The median season once he became full time in 1955 for Beliveau career was a president trophy and a cup, that his hard to beat.


Some would have more diversity like Gretzky-Crosby being in an intl competition era, Crosby oceanic did really well when he was there, world junior did ok (silver and gold), Penguins 4 finals-3cups pretty much as good as it got during his era, senior team Canada did extraordinary after 2006.

Penguins as the second most regular seasons wins and the most playoff wins during his career (Bruins are virtually tie in both too, and the Caps in regular season wins before the end of the year)

 

[GMR]

Believeau/Richard
Howe/Gretzky/Crosby
Lemieux/Orr/Jagr
Hull/Ovechkin
McDavid

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

just in a vacuum rating? or account for team strength as well.

Beliveau basically has a Cup a year, but they were almost all in a 6 team era on a team with 7 HOF'ers

 

[BenchBrawl]

Béliveau
Richard/Gretzky
Crosby/Howe
Lemieux
Hull/Ovechkin
Jagr/McDavid

 

[BenchBrawl]

I suppose Beliveau had the most team success in the time period in which he played...he played for a strong and deep team, and in an era when the overall talent in the league wasn't very strong or deep, and therefore the opposition was often relatively weak.

What does this tell us?

O6 wasn't very strong or deep? The 1960s NHL was the best professional hockey league in history.

True that the league was imbalanced, but still.

 

[Matsun]

I wonder how many players have been on more 118 point regular season teams than OV? Cant be many, especially if he adds a 4th season this year. Not saying that he is at the top of this group, but I'm impressed at how the Caps have been able to build 3 different strong teams around him.

 

[Staniowski]

O6 wasn't very strong or deep? The 1960s NHL was the best professional hockey league in history.

True that the league was imbalanced, but still.

No, the Original 6 was certainly never strong nor deep in talent.

It had more talent than all previous eras, no doubt. But the overall talent pales in comparison to what came after.

The talent really started to pick up around the mid 1950s, just following Howe, with Beliveau, Moore, Bathgate, Delvecchio, Geoffrion, etc. And it was relatively stable for the rest of the O6.

The 1960s were pretty good overall - it was a stable league, some good defense, integrated minor league systems...but there weren't many talented players. The Habs were strong, the Leafs (who I especially like) were relatively deep for the era. But the other teams were all lacking in depth. There wasn't much offensive talent in the league.

The talent level really started to pick up in the late '60s and early '70s. Trouble was, it was distributed on a greater number of NHL teams, plus in the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Sweden. Hockey was exploding in Europe, and the Canadian talent pool also improved significantly at the same time.

 

[DitchMarner]

I wonder how many players have been on more 118 point regular season teams than OV? Cant be many, especially if he adds a 4th season this year. Not saying that he is at the top of this group, but I'm impressed at how the Caps have been able to build 3 different strong teams around him.

He doesn't have the best International career and the Capitals haven't had that many deep playoff runs in their history (though they did win their only Cup during the Ovechkin era), but few teams have had the regular season success the Capitals have had since the 2005 Lockout. They've won numerous division titles and three President's trophies (may add a fourth this year) and have only missed the playoffs twice since 2007.