Larry Brooks: Rangers will be selling

[Mikos87]

What's the return on the McD trade? There will be teams lined up for him.... what if you retain 50% on that contract to make it happen at the deadline?

IMO BOS can pay a premium plus for him.

Rangers would trade Trucker in order to get good, young roster players back and a back. I'm thinking that the Rangers will not be able to replace him... and they have a bunch of crap on the blueline they need to off-load... Staal/Smith... those are your anchors.

What if you trade McD to NSH at 50%... they have one more year with Ellis at $2.5M.. that's an insane blueline.. although I bet they pony up for Nash.


STL has a really good farm. BOS... ANA... those are teams with good farms that the Rangers won't have much of an issue trading with.

 

[Mikos87]

Nash, Grabner and even Zucc isn't a surprise.

McD is the one that is particularly risky. If you trade him, you HAVE to get a big return and you have to get it right.

There's no ifs, ands or buts. You need to stick the landing on that one, do your homework, and get a combination of picks and young NHL or close to NHL-ready talent.

You have to be sure that your deadline deal is better than you're going to get at the draft, while also being sure that you don't fall for the "new car smell" of draft day.

Yeah that's not a replaceable player... I would rather see the return on the rentals (picks) & move Zucc out for younger roster ready players.... and make a couple of hockey deals with Hayes/Vesey/Smith.... and sign a bunch of guys.

If you move Mac Truck... you don't do a one for one... you need

An NHL player, top prospect, 1st rounder... 2nd rounder. Top pair guys don't grow on trees.

 

[Edge]

Which is where it becomes interesting to see if the better McD trade isn't at the draft. You might have a team that gets close that is willing to include a guy who maybe projects as a higher end blueliner because they view McD as that missing piece.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It’s the big what if of Rangers history. Even bigger than wondering what would have happened if Canada didn’t get involved in WWII.

I think the reasonable argument could be made that they would’ve won the Cup anyway and might have won more. We will never know, which makes it unreasonable in its own way.

I don’t know. Look at the teams that won titles in that timeframe. Veteran laden hard nosed teams. I actually think the pre-94 rangers would’ve been ideal for the current environment of the game

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Yandle returned Duclair (a top prospect), Moore ( a potential top 4 pairing dman at the time), a 1st round pick, and another pick IIRC.. Mcdonagh should return even more than that.

 

[Fataldogg]

I have a better chance starting in goal for the Rangers next season than this ever becoming reality.

Let’s all get it through our collective heads. Henrik Lundqvist is going no where, and will retire a Ranger. He’s never leaving New York.

Brian Leetch for Kondratiev...

I agree. But, I think more than anything he wants to win a Stanley Cup. How motivated can you be in your last couple of years on a rebuild bottom 5 or bottom 10 team in NHL?

It's wasting what little time he has left to climb all of the goaltending categories, and more importantly win a cup.

I don't think he wants to go down as the best goalie ever to never win a cup.

 

[NYR]

I have a better chance starting in goal for the Rangers next season than this ever becoming reality.

Let’s all get it through our collective heads. Henrik Lundqvist is going no where, and will retire a Ranger. He’s never leaving New York.

They're turning over all the core pieces.
Lundqvist is 35 yrs old.
What's the debate?
Trade him..

 

[Edge]

Personally, I'd value prospects/young talent over picks.

If your Toronto, do you like what McD brings enough to dangle Marner, Liljegren, Dermott and a first?

If you're Tampa, do you dangle Sergachev knowing this might be the peak of your window?

More than anything, I am curious.

 

[NYR Viper]

Personally, I'd value prospects/young talent over picks.

If your Toronto, do you like what McD brings enough to dangle Marner, Liljegren, Dermott and a first?

If you're Tampa, do you dangle Sergachev knowing this might be the peak of your window?

More than anything, I am curious.

All it takes is one team. And IMO, there are probably 6-8 teams who should be very interested and have the pieces to get it done

 

[Edge]

I still maintain that if the Rangers do this right, and nail their respective trade packages, this does not need to be a half decade of misery.

There are some pieces in place that either stand to be contributors to the future, or have enough value to land different pieces.

This is not the late 90s.

 

[RangerBlues]

The team needs dynamic talent. Not more of the same.

 

[frozenrubber]

Yandle returned Duclair (a top prospect), Moore ( a potential top 4 pairing dman at the time), a 1st round pick, and another pick IIRC.. Mcdonagh should return even more than that.

Nitpicking, but John Moore was not seen as a potential top 4 defenseman when he was traded for Yandle.

 

[frozenrubber]

Prediction Hat:

While Nash would be a great fit in Nashville, my guess is Dallas and Hitchcock get Rick Nash for the rights to Valeri Nichushkin and a pick.

 

[Edge]

Let's play fantasy trading for a second and dream that Gorton nails all his trades and earns an A/A+

Let's say McD lands Marner, Liljegren, Dermott and a first OR Sergachev and a first.

Let's say Nash lands a later first.

Let's say Zucc lands either a higher end prospect, but not quite elite prospect OR a good prospect a first.

Let's say Grabner lands a first.

Let's say Holden lands a third.

Let's say Desharnais lands a fourth.

That means we have some combination of 2-3 higher end young talent and prospects, or potentially 3-5 first round picks (and everything in between.)

Is adding that to Andersson, Chytil, ADA, Graves, Day, Pionk, Shestyorkin, Lettieri in the system, and potentially Kreider, Miller, Zibanejad, Fast, Hayes, Vesey, Buch, Skjei and Shattenkirk really seem that absmal of a place to move forward from?

Even if we assume some of those assets are packaged and moved, it's not exactly circa 2004.

 

[Tawnos]

Nitpicking, but John Moore was not seen as a potential top 4 defenseman when he was traded for Yandle.

He was 24 and playing at a good level as a 3rd pair guy. Many of us thought of him as topping out as a 2nd pairing guy in his late 20s. And we were right.

Rangers fans thought less of him than he was thought of around the league because he was billed as a potential McDonagh and he never developed that way.

 

[ecemleafs]

Idk why this fan base equates things with the dark years of the 90s to 00s. Those teams sicker because of drafting. We drafted nobody really good from like 96-03 outside of lundqvist.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Personally, I'd value prospects/young talent over picks.

If your Toronto, do you like what McD brings enough to dangle Marner, Liljegren, Dermott and a first?

This is the kind of trade that could vault us into a golden age.

I think that return is VERY hopeful. Frankly, I'd be happy with Marner straight up.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Let's play fantasy trading for a second and dream that Gorton nails all his trades and earns an A/A+

Let's say McD lands Marner, , Dermott and a first OR Sergachev and a first.

Let's say Nash lands a later first.

Let's say Zucc lands either a higher end prospect, but not quite elite prospect OR a good prospect a first.

Let's say Grabner lands a first.

Let's say Holden lands a third.

Let's say Desharnais lands a fourth.

That means we have some combination of 2-3 higher end young talent and prospects, or potentially 3-5 first round picks (and everything in between.)

Is adding that to Andersson, Chytil, ADA, Graves, Day, Pionk, Shestyorkin, Lettieri in the system, and potentially Kreider, Miller, Zibanejad, Fast, Hayes, Vesey, Buch, Skjei and Shattenkirk really seem that absmal of a place to move forward from?

Even if we assume some of those assets are packaged and moved, it's not exactly circa 2004.

I get laughed on the main boards but that Toronto trade should be what the Rangers get in return. Especially if they retain 50%.

They can package some of those firsts to potentially have 2 top 10 picks as well. Add that to Marner, Chytil, Andersson, Liljegren, ADA, Buch and Sheshyorkin and that's a he'll of a young group of players.

That combines with Kreider, Hayes, Zbad, Miller, Vesey, Fast, Skjei and Shattenkirk could be a quick turn around.

 

[Fvital92]

If the last 15 years have taught us anything, it's that you don't need elite goaltending to win the cup.

Fleury, Ward, Quick, Crawford, Niemi, Murray, Osgood...

We won't be able to get in a position to draft a Doughty, Kane, Toews, Crosby, Malkin, like those teams with Lundqvist in goal. The most probable situation is that we will become a 4x 2nd line team at best, like we were in our best years in this decade, so, Shestyorkin will have to be Hank 2.0 for us to have a chance.

Or we will get really lucky with someone in the draft. We are the Rangers, we won't get lucky.

 

[Edge]

This is the kind of trade that could vault us into a golden age.

I think that return is VERY hopeful. Frankly, I'd be happy with Marner straight up.

I like Marner a lot, but there's no way I do a trade straight up for McD. I'm not even listening to the conversation unless it includes Marner plus a first, and then we can talk about additions.

McD is a proven top pairing NHL defenseman who serves as human eraser, you factor in age, another season under a great contract, and that he is still in that 40 point range, and there's no way I trade him for anything other than a prime package.

Toronto gets at least two playoff runs out of a player in his prime.

 

[Edge]

I get laughed on the main boards but that Toronto trade should be what the Rangers get in return. Especially if they retain 50%.

They can package some of those firsts to potentially have 2 top 10 picks as well. Add that to Marner, Chytil, Andersson, Liljegren, ADA, Buch and Sheshyorkin and that's a he'll of a young group of players.

That combines with Kreider, Hayes, Zbad, Miller, Vesey, Fast, Skjei and Shattenkirk could be a quick turn around.

And that's the whole point for us really - we don't trade McD unless we get what we want. Any team trading for him is also going to get a pair of runs out of him, in his prime.

McD is EXACTLY the type of difference making defenseman you add for playoff runs. Factor in his age and contract, and there's no way I sell low.

 

[Vitto79]

Nothing like conversing with yourself.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

And that's the whole point for us really - we don't trade McD unless we get what we want. Any team trading for him is also going to get a pair of runs out of him, in his prime.

McD is EXACTLY the type of difference making defenseman you add for playoff runs. Factor in his age and contract, and there's no way I sell low.

Exactly. McD is 28 and will just be 29 next season. At 50% retention his cap hit would be an insane $2.25MM. A player of his caliber, age and cap hit has not been available, I don't think ever honestly, since the beginning of the salary cap age.

Although 31 years old, Zucc at 50% would only be $2.35MM for 1.5 years. Nuts!

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I like Marner a lot, but there's no way I do a trade straight up for McD. I'm not even listening to the conversation unless it includes Marner plus a first, and then we can talk about additions.

McD is a proven top pairing NHL defenseman who serves as human eraser, you factor in age, another season under a great contract, and that he is still in that 40 point range, and there's no way I trade him for anything other than a prime package.

Toronto gets at least two playoff runs out of a player in his prime.

Yeah, and Marner would have lead this team in scoring last year as a 19 year old. He's under team control for another, what, 5 seasons after this one?

McDonagh is fantastic, and I'm sure his perceived value is through the roof, but I think you're undervaluing Marner in a big way. I doubt Toronto would be interested in moving Marner, period, let alone Marner, two good prospects, and a 1st. I could see it if McDonagh were younger, and signed longer, but as it stands, I don't think Toronto is willing to give up nearly that much.

That being said, it'd be amazing if you're right in your assessment, because it would set this team up amazingly moving forward.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Lundqvist isn't getting traded because theres no place to trade him to. The places he would waive to go to either don't need a goaltender or don't need a goaltender making 8 million a year.