Larry Brooks: Rangers will be selling

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Agreed. The earliest we should look at is 2020. That is why you need to trade players in their UFA years while they have value.

Kreider reaches UFA years this summer. He is signed for another 2 years. Should be looking at trading him as well, or can we re-sign him in 2020?

I think that’s something you have to evaluate later. Depends on when the prospects are progressing and what kreiders production looks like

 

[NYRFAN218]

This is true but also surprising, because I thought they might use a big fish to get into the top10 of this draft.

We also don't know what they'll do with the picks they have. There's a really good chance both Nash and Grabner both net you first round picks. You'll have depth picks (3rd to 5th rounds) from possible Holden and Desharnais trades. The bigger trades I'm sure will have some draft pick component but I just can't see there being a case of multiple first round picks for a guy like McDonagh if the Rangers are insistent on NHL ready talent.

Point being is I don't see why they can't be in the top ten with the amount of ammo they'll have. Hell, the Rangers pick on its own has a very good chance of being in the top 10 if they continue to slide. The Hurricanes who would have the 9th overall pick right now (ignoring draft lottery) are only 3 points behind us with a game in hand.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

You might be right, although I dont know if I entirely agree. The NHL is ever increasingly becoming a league for young legs. This thing can turn around quickly if done correctly.

Yes but they need to be capable of playing in the nhl... those teams are good because they have young talented guys on cheap contracts so they can spend on the other parts of the team

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Which prospects did they get from trading aging NHL players? There are only two on the team now. McDonagh is obviously one and then DeAngelo.

Go back to Gomez (Still Gordie), Gabs, Brass, Stepan (Which I loved although obviously it's to early to render a final judgement).

Werek (who ended up useless) for Lindberg (Vegas positively broke my NYR heart).

Haggerty for Raanta?

Also i realized I messed up. not just prospects necessarily but younger guys. Brass and Zib certainly weren't prospects but they weren't aged vets either.

Holden and Kampfer suck but we gave up absolute beans to get them

Point being I feel confident when we target young guys and prospects which we've often done using our valuable vets.

 

[Tawnos]

So, what do we do with Lundqvist? He isn't going to be happy to play on a rebuild team to end his career.

Retain some salary and trade him to a team with poor goaltending?

He would instantly make a team like the Islanders a contender, I know, it's blasphemy.

You leave it up to him. I’m not so convinced that he will want to leave.

 

[Blueshirt Special]

I want a Cup damn it! I don't care if they trade Tony Amonte and Mike Gartner!

 

[DanielBrassard]

You leave it up to him. I’m not so convinced that he will want to leave.

Maybe not, but I would think when he recognizes he won't be winning a cup here, he might have a change of heart.

 

[Doctor King Schultz]

The Rangers need a coach that can motivate the players to play hard. AV isn't doing that.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Rangers should have the conversation with Lundqivst to see what he wants to do.

I would like to see him still around to mentor Sheshyorkin when he comes over.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Rangers should have the conversation with Lundqivst to see what he wants to do.

I would like to see him still around to mentor Sheshyorkin when he comes over.

I'm sure Shestyorkin can learn how to blame his teammates fine on his own hahaha.

Seriously though, I think Allaire is more important to Shestyorkin's development than Lundqvist.

 

[pld459666]

If we're looking to contend again next season, I don't see how that's possible if McDonagh is traded.

Contending next year is out of the question

This move, if it happens, is to start contending again in 2-3 years

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm sure Shestyorkin can learn how to blame his teammates fine on his own hahaha.

Seriously though, I think Allaire is more important to Shestyorkin's development than Lundqvist.

Blaming your teammates effectively is a very tough skill to learn.

 

[Crease]

I'll believe it when I see it, but can't say I'm not excited about the thought.

 

[NYR]

I think with Hank they become the prohibitive favorite this year.

I think I have to put my money on Tampa this year.

 

[Trxjw]

I'll believe it when I see it, but can't say I'm not excited about the thought.

I fully admit I got a little bit giddy when I first read the article.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brooks' article also insinuated they'd much rather have NHL or NHL ready young players in one of the bigger trades for McDonagh or Zuccarello. We'll see picks in the UFA deals but I'm not sure how loaded the bigger trades will be with picks when the Rangers may be focusing more on current NHL players and prospect pools. I think it''s clear they want this to be something done in a smaller window and not a full blown rebuild.

I wrote that yesterday in the team building thread before the Brooks story came out at 3:30pm. Picks for the rentals. They need more than picks for McDonagh. Not sure about Zuccarello. Picks and/or young players for him. Brooks wrote the Rangers don't want to bottom out or wait until they bottom out before doing the thing with the first two letters being R-E. With the NHL lottery system, the worst team is not guaranteed to finish with the top pick. The Avs were the worst team by a wide margin last season and they ended up with the 4th pick overall. McKenzie has not used the word "rebuild" with the Rangers. He said they want to "reload". Rebuild on the fly. Brooks wrote the Rangers don't want to give McDonagh and Zuccarello contract extensions. With that being the case, the Rangers aren't plunging into the free agent for someone like JVR who some people here have a thing for you. If the Rangers do make these trades and avoid the free agent market, they aren't going to very good for the next few seasons. They aren't contending for no Stanley Cup. in the immediate future. There will be growing pains with the young players. The Rangers could get quality players in the 20's. Brooks wrote that wasn't possible except for Pastrnak. Boeser,Konecky and Beauvillier were taken in the first round in 2015. Barzal was taken 15th in that year. They are big contributors to their teams two years later. It all hinges on what Gorton does. Which players and the picks the Rangers acquire. Which players the Rangers select with the picks. The Rangers pick in June will be key especially if they trade off players before and at the deadline.

 

[kovazub94]

Stating that the team won’t be competing next season is an opinion , not a fact.

 

[eco's bones]

Contending next year is out of the question

This move, if it happens, is to start contending again in 2-3 years

I agree but also the next 2-3 years will be about building hope again for whatever that turns out to be worth. Right now there ain't much of that commodity.

In a sense it's give up on the currently constructed team with the idea of reconstructing it.

 

[Ail]

I'm sure Shestyorkin can learn how to blame his teammates fine on his own hahaha.

Seriously though, I think Allaire is more important to Shestyorkin's development than Lundqvist.

Come on now, Allaire might be the best in the league, but so is Lundqvist, and he has been for a decade. Getting to play under both of them will be equally as important for his development in the NHL. They will each teach him different things.

As far as the blaming teammates thing, I know you're partly joking, but there are fans out there that think Hank is a dick for giving his teammates shit on the ice, but name one guy in the league who more deservedly should be giving his teammates shit. Then most nights he'll be the first guy in that locker-room saying he needs to be or could have been better.

 

[NYR]

Maybe it's just me but when you couple moving the rest of your corner stone players along with an article titled "Rangers are going to blow it up".
That kind of contradicts the Re-Tool theory.
Don't you think?

 

[ZiGOODejad]

It would be huge for this Team to get a top 5 pick. Someone would could grow with the two forwards we picked last season. They don't want to pay Mac or Zucc but my thing is Hayes and Kreider the middle group to this core, they aren't that far off in age either. So what route are we really going?

 

[Blais to Win]

@eco's bones , very good write up of the history of coaches we've seen. It puts it in perspective. Really had high hopes for John Muckler here but the guy who won several SC's and was used to working with star players for some reason didn't work here in NY.

Might have been the roster.

 

[GAGLine]

Maybe it's just me but when you couple moving the rest of your corner stone players along with an article titled "Rangers are going to blow it up".
That kind of contradicts the Re-Tool theory.
Don't you think?

Not at all. You have to consider what you are getting back. If the Rangers trade McD for Trouba, is that not a re-tool?

Granted, this may just come down to semantics. Re-tool. Rebuild. Reload. The bottom line is that Gorton isn't going to trade McD or Zucc just to trade them. He's going to be looking for players and prospects who can help us ASAP. If he doesn't get the players he wants, he won't trade them.

 

[Vitto79]

Jets are interesting . A lot of young F and an excess of rd . Would they offer Trouba plus ?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Why would the Jets trade Trouba for 1+ year of McDonagh?