Larry Brooks: Rangers will be selling
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Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
Why? He’s only 24. He’s the perfect 2C
NYRFAN218
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Yeah, Mika's a guy you hang on to. Obviously EVERYONE has a price that you'd deal them at but my list of guys that don't go from the current roster are...
Buch
Mika
Kreider
Shattenkirk
Skjei
Henrik
Those guys are listed for a variety of reasons related to contract, age, skill, etc. Again, if you get an offer that blows you away you obviously take it but those are the ones I'm hanging on to for sure. Anyone else is fair game.
He was our most productive player in the playoffs last year, he was a point per game before he was injuried this year. Oh, by the way, he is 24 years old in a good contract.
Trading him makes so much sense...
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Hire Sather
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Tawnos
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I get all the AV griping in this thread. It comes from the idea of, "if youre going to put us through trading fan favorites and gutting the roster, couldnt you at least make us happy by removing the coach?"
But i agree with @Bleed Ranger Blue that the central problem in this organization is the roster. If they want to focus on that, fine. By the way, he and I have had some epic disagreements over the years. Its strange and fun to be on the same page lately.
But i agree with @Bleed Ranger Blue that the central problem in this organization is the roster. If they want to focus on that, fine. By the way, he and I have had some epic disagreements over the years. Its strange and fun to be on the same page lately.
Well at least you admit the team on paper kind of stinks. Look, Im not saying AV hasn't made some head scratching decisions, but its my personal opinion that many of the attacks here would be leveled against any coach after several years. And that its often myopic/petty criticism without even acknowledging that AV is privy to information that isn't available from the comfort of their couch (See: screaming about how AV is holding back Shattenkirk and an idiot for not playing him on the first pair when, in reality, he was trying to play through a torn meniscus as just the most recent example).
More importantly, I think the biggest thing that has hamstrung AV is his lack of legitimate options, and thats particularly true this season with all the injuries. This is a system that proved to work his first couple seasons here when the Rangers fielded an exceptionally deep team. Theres 2 things going on right now on this board when it comes to the over the top criticism: 1. People continue to talk themselves into believing the kids are ready for bigger roles 2. Frustration from not having an adequately deep team is channeled directly to the coach. Both of these reactions to the problems facing this team are delusional.
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If we are going to start over why hang on to Henrik? I would trade any player on this team other than Skjei.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Meh - I'm not making the argument that XYZ player in Hartford is the answer to all our woes - I'm talking about stuff like dressing 7D, pairing Staal with McD, scratching Smith and playing Kampfer, Buchnevich's puzzling role that's constantly changing, Miller Center experiment 2.0, etc... AV certainly isn't beyond questioning. There's material there.
But that doesn't change the fact that we're weak down the middle. You have to build from Center out and this organization hasn't done that. That's probably why they drafted 5 centers last year.
But that doesn't change the fact that we're weak down the middle. You have to build from Center out and this organization hasn't done that. That's probably why they drafted 5 centers last year.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Because hes played great, because goalies dont traditionally bring back much value in a trade, because hes making big money, but wont be due a raise like McDonagh.
And, this is my least favorite reason but its still relevant, he is more beloved by the fanbase than all the guys we might sell combined.
NYRFAN218
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I don't view it as starting over as much as it's just a shake up and maximizing assets of older players who will be due for big contracts. If done right, I don't see why this team can't reload with picks and young players and be right back competing for a playoff spot next season.
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Amazing Kreiderman
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And he has a full NMC until his contract expires.
Those disagreements were about stimulating conversation around philosophies and opinions on personnel and the game itself.
They weren't targeted blame games that were the result of frustration.
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Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
Not trying to contend next year.. draft picks don’t help with that. We’re looking at 2-4 years.
Andersson and chytil might not even be ready next year. Let alone whoever we draft this year
You might be right, although I dont know if I entirely agree. The NHL is ever increasingly becoming a league for young legs. This thing can turn around quickly if done correctly.
Exactly, or maybe in 2 seasons which is perfectly reasonable and ok imo.
Do we really HAVE to contend next year?
Why is it a problem if they do need a year to marinate? Plus it's no guarantee we just get draft picks. This front office has, imo, been fantastic when it comes to trading aging guys for prospects who step into the NHL within a year or two. Our scouting of veterans has been absolutely abysmal (Or our GM's have ignored the advice of our scouts completely) but when it comes to drafting and trading for prospects I have nothing but full, unwavering confidence in what this FO will get by trading guys like nash, grabs, Zucc or even McD if it comes to that (though I have doubts)
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Agreed. The earliest we should look at is 2020. That is why you need to trade players in their UFA years while they have value.
Kreider reaches UFA years this summer. He is signed for another 2 years. Should be looking at trading him as well, or can we re-sign him in 2020?
eco's bones
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The coaches I've seen as a Rangers fan:
Emile Francis
Larry Popien--awful
Emile Francis again
Ron Stewart--really bad
John Ferguson Sr.--I liked him but his team didn't make the playoffs and he gave us the crappy jersey.
Jean-Guy Talbot--sucked and no fashion sense.
Fred Shero--pretty decent but his staff particularly Mike Nykoluk were back stabbers.
Craig Patrick
Herb Brooks--very good.
Craig Patrick again.
Ted Sator--hated him.
Tom Webster
Phil Esposito--also GM--trader Phil--way too impulsive.
Michel Bergeron--I liked him but like Phil who hired him--way too impulsive.
Roger Neilson--very good.
Ron Smith--very bad.
Mike Keenan--we went over him yesterday. Yeah we won our Cup--I'm not a fan though.
Colin Campbell--not too good.
Ron Muckler--back to very bad.
John Tortorella--4 games.
Ron Low--very very bad.
Bryan Trottier--not an improvement on very very bad.
Glen Sather
Tom Renney--liked him.
John Tortorella--for real this time.
Alain Vigneault
Vigneault is hardly the worst Rangers coach we've had. To me of the coaches we've had he's one of the better ones. Demeanor wise he reminds me kind of Renney. He's not a screamer like Tortorella or John Ferguson. He's not a bitter old man like John Muckler. He's not completely clueless like Bryan Trottier or Ron Low or a schemer like Mike Keenan. He's not busy fomenting a coup against himself like Ted Sator. The best of the above group in my eyes are Francis, Shero, Brooks, Neilson, Renney and Vigneault. There comes a time for most coaches though when their shit no longer works with the group that they have. The Rangers aged out a group of players--made wrong decisions here and there and inadequately replaced others. They were also hamstrung at times by cap decisions. These are the main reasons we find ourselves where we are today.
Emile Francis
Larry Popien--awful
Emile Francis again
Ron Stewart--really bad
John Ferguson Sr.--I liked him but his team didn't make the playoffs and he gave us the crappy jersey.
Jean-Guy Talbot--sucked and no fashion sense.
Fred Shero--pretty decent but his staff particularly Mike Nykoluk were back stabbers.
Craig Patrick
Herb Brooks--very good.
Craig Patrick again.
Ted Sator--hated him.
Tom Webster
Phil Esposito--also GM--trader Phil--way too impulsive.
Michel Bergeron--I liked him but like Phil who hired him--way too impulsive.
Roger Neilson--very good.
Ron Smith--very bad.
Mike Keenan--we went over him yesterday. Yeah we won our Cup--I'm not a fan though.
Colin Campbell--not too good.
Ron Muckler--back to very bad.
John Tortorella--4 games.
Ron Low--very very bad.
Bryan Trottier--not an improvement on very very bad.
Glen Sather
Tom Renney--liked him.
John Tortorella--for real this time.
Alain Vigneault
Vigneault is hardly the worst Rangers coach we've had. To me of the coaches we've had he's one of the better ones. Demeanor wise he reminds me kind of Renney. He's not a screamer like Tortorella or John Ferguson. He's not a bitter old man like John Muckler. He's not completely clueless like Bryan Trottier or Ron Low or a schemer like Mike Keenan. He's not busy fomenting a coup against himself like Ted Sator. The best of the above group in my eyes are Francis, Shero, Brooks, Neilson, Renney and Vigneault. There comes a time for most coaches though when their shit no longer works with the group that they have. The Rangers aged out a group of players--made wrong decisions here and there and inadequately replaced others. They were also hamstrung at times by cap decisions. These are the main reasons we find ourselves where we are today.
SA16
Sixstring
Which prospects did they get from trading aging NHL players? There are only two on the team now. McDonagh is obviously one and then DeAngelo.
LaffyTaffy
Brooklyn-Belarussian
I think the only place that I would trade Zucc to without being upset is Nashville. Just to see a team with Zucc and PK. I would even add Grabner or Nash if it means a package including Tolvanen.
NYRFAN218
King
Brooks' article also insinuated they'd much rather have NHL or NHL ready young players in one of the bigger trades for McDonagh or Zuccarello. We'll see picks in the UFA deals but I'm not sure how loaded the bigger trades will be with picks when the Rangers may be focusing more on current NHL players and prospect pools. I think it''s clear they want this to be something done in a smaller window and not a full blown rebuild.
So, what do we do with Lundqvist? He isn't going to be happy to play on a rebuild team to end his career.
Retain some salary and trade him to a team with poor goaltending?
He would instantly make a team like the Islanders a contender, I know, it's blasphemy.
Retain some salary and trade him to a team with poor goaltending?
He would instantly make a team like the Islanders a contender, I know, it's blasphemy.
LaffyTaffy
Brooklyn-Belarussian
This is true but also surprising, because I thought they might use a big fish to get into the top10 of this draft.
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