Post-Game Talk: Rangers vs. Coyotes - Fri 12/14/18 - 7:00PM EST

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Trust me, I was as pissed as anyone at Pionk when the Coyotes scored on that power play, but the turning point was our inability to score on the 5 on 3. It was almost 2 minutes long, and we had another power play right after that one. Hill, as every backup goalie does at MSG, stood on his head that period.

Yeah that was brutal too. 5 on 3 like Arniel used to run, too deliberate, too slow and too telegraphed. Not enough movement.

I’ll never understand why these guys forget what makes PPs work once they get 5 on 3s. You need quick puck movement, players moving to open up lanes and cross ice passes in those lanes. The Rangers, for years now, when they get a 5 on 3 get slow, deliberate and don’t move. Don’t they realize how easy that is to defend? You might luck into a goal with a deflection or a snipe but it’s not good process.

 

[Machinehead]

To be fair, I think DeAngelo is fine.

He's not anything special, but he's a top 4 D.

He's the only defenseman on this entire team I want any part of long-term.

 

[nevesis]

I mean there’s a difference between the goalie playing poorly leading to a loss or a goalie playing well enough to win but his team playing poorly. These guys **** their pants in the third.

Which goals do you think were bad goals? I thought the OEL one was bad but it was more a fluke bad luck goal bc of the knuckle puck than a bad play by the goalie. That puck doesn’t go in 99% of the time.

If you mean the Stepan goal, I vehemently disagree. That was a perfectly placed shot, right under the bar and tight enough to the goalie’s ear that it’s almost impossible to get with the glove. That’s as close to perfect as a shot can get.

The OEL blast was a knucklepuck AND he got absolutely all of it, as Stepan did. He got beat by two absolute snipes. Blaming the goaltender on those is just asinine.

It's as you stated. The team absolutely didn't play in the 3rd period. You're in control of the game going into the 3rd, up 3-1. No excuse for what they did.

No one is mentioning the 2-on-0, and eventually a breakaway save in OT right before the Stepan goal. Howden missed his opportunity, Zibanejad had a good chance. OT is run and gun.

We had our opportunity to control the game in the 3rd and they thought they could take the night off and win. They deserved to lose this game.

Just a brutal loss.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah that was brutal too. 5 on 3 like Arniel used to run, too deliberate, too slow and too telegraphed. Not enough movement.

I’ll never understand why these guys forget what makes PPs work once they get 5 on 3s. You need quick puck movement, players moving to open up lanes and cross ice passes in those lanes. The Rangers, for years now, when they get a 5 on 3 get slow, deliberate and don’t move. Don’t they realize how easy that is to defend? You might luck into a goal with a deflection or a snipe but it’s not good process.

Hits the nail on the head.

They treat the 5-on-3 like it's a 5-on-0 and just stop playing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I thought the 5 on 3 was fine, Hill was great on it.

Zucc should be a nice add for a playoff team who needs PP help.

 

[Rempe73]

I mean there’s a difference between the goalie playing poorly leading to a loss or a goalie playing well enough to win but his team playing poorly. These guys **** their pants in the third.

Which goals do you think were bad goals? I thought the OEL one was bad but it was more a fluke bad luck goal bc of the knuckle puck than a bad play by the goalie. That puck doesn’t go in 99% of the time.

If you mean the Stepan goal, I vehemently disagree. That was a perfectly placed shot, right under the bar and tight enough to the goalie’s ear that it’s almost impossible to get with the glove. That’s as close to perfect as a shot can get.

The Stepan and OEL goals were not good goals to allow. He could have had both. The OEL goal was long distance, and the Stepan goal wasn’t very close either. The first goal I didn’t see the replay, but it looked to me like a bad goal to give up as well, if there was no deflection. Obviously there are some goals that even good goalies aren’t going to stop, but elite goalies make the saves that they should have no business saving. If that makes sense.

I still think Hank is great, but why is he free of criticism?

 

[effen]

The Devils have Damon Severson, so that's at least one defenseman I ever want to see playing in the NHL again.

NJD is actually worse. I'd take our group of mouth breathers over Severson, Vatanen, Butcher (sheltered to a ridic degree to just be average), Greene, Mirco Mueller (?), Egor Yakolev (????) and something named Ben Lovejoy

 

[Rempe73]

Eh, I thought Hank made some great saves. The team in front of him should have done more. Does he wish he could get one back? Probably. But he shouldn't have to.

Also, Nevesis is watching and he scares me.

Ok, this is kind of my point. He makes some unreal saves, but then has trouble making the easy or the average save.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Yea when we win, it’s all him. When we lose, it’s only the team.

Nah it’s a team. Win as a team, lose as a team.

 

[effen]

The Stepan and OEL goals were not good goals to allow. He could have had both. The OEL goal was long distance, and the Stepan goal wasn’t very close either. The first goal I didn’t see the replay, but it looked to me like a bad goal to give up as well, if there was no deflection. Obviously there are some goals that even good goalies aren’t going to stop, but elite goalies make the saves that they should have no business saving. If that makes sense.

I still think Hank is great, but why is he free of criticism?

Unless he has a mini hand sprout up from his shoulder like he's wearing a venom symbiote no, he shouldn't have either of those. His glove is where it should be, if he's cheating up top there he's getting beat a ton more over his pad.

 

[Rempe73]

Yeah that was brutal too. 5 on 3 like Arniel used to run, too deliberate, too slow and too telegraphed. Not enough movement.

I’ll never understand why these guys forget what makes PPs work once they get 5 on 3s. You need quick puck movement, players moving to open up lanes and cross ice passes in those lanes. The Rangers, for years now, when they get a 5 on 3 get slow, deliberate and don’t move. Don’t they realize how easy that is to defend? You might luck into a goal with a deflection or a snipe but it’s not good process.

Lmao just what I was thinking. Every time the Rangers get a 2-man advantage, they slow it down. I’ve seen 5 on 3’s with fast puck movement, and the puck usually goes in. Do they not realize how much easier it is if they speed things up? Are they all dumb?

 

[Rempe73]

Nah it’s a team. Win as a team, lose as a team.

Yes, maybe to you and me, but not to many people on here.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Unless he has a mini hand sprout up from his shoulder like he's wearing a venom symbiote no, he shouldn't have either of those. His glove is where it should be, if he's cheating up top there he's getting beat a ton more over his pad.

A+ reference.

 

[Mike in Houston]

I think my nuts are finally ok and back down in my sack after the Coyotes kicked them up into my stomach.

 

[Machinehead]

NJD is actually worse. I'd take our group of mouth breathers over Severson, Vatanen, Butcher (sheltered to a ridic degree to just be average), Greene, Mirco Mueller (?), Egor Yakolev (????) and something named Ben Lovejoy

With Shattenkirk out, Butcher, Vatanen, and Severson might be our three best defensemen.

 

[Fvital92]

The OEL blast was a knucklepuck AND he got absolutely all of it, as Stepan did. He got beat by two absolute snipes. Blaming the goaltender on those is just asinine.

It's as you stated. The team absolutely didn't play in the 3rd period. You're in control of the game going into the 3rd, up 3-1. No excuse for what they did.

No one is mentioning the 2-on-0, and eventually a breakaway save in OT right before the Stepan goal. Howden missed his opportunity, Zibanejad had a good chance. OT is run and gun.

We had our opportunity to control the game in the 3rd and they thought they could take the night off and win. They deserved to lose this game.

Just a brutal loss.

I agree on the OEL goal but you can't let a Stepan's wrist shot go in from that distance, it's unacceptable.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

The Stepan and OEL goals were not good goals to allow. He could have had both. The OEL goal was long distance, and the Stepan goal wasn’t very close either. The first goal I didn’t see the replay, but it looked to me like a bad goal to give up as well, if there was no deflection. Obviously there are some goals that even good goalies aren’t going to stop, but elite goalies make the saves that they should have no business saving. If that makes sense.

I still think Hank is great, but why is he free of criticism?

I don’t think he’s free of criticism at all. I just disagree with you on those two goals. The distance doesn’t exclude them from being great shots. It’s okay to disagree. And we both agree on the fact that we’d like to see him stop them. I guess you think think they were weaker than I do. That’s okay, agree to disagree.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I do.

Disagree. The more I think about it the more I think they are going to finish bottom 5. Defense is atrocious and when Hayes and Zucc are traded its going to be a free fall.

 

[CasusBelli]

Missed this one, but as soon as I saw we were up 2-0, I knew we would lose. As long as the effort was there, though, I won’t complain.

 

[Machinehead]

That was a garbage game with two garbage teams, but the 3v3 was fantastic.

The NHL needs to drop the shootout and just keep doing that until somebody wins.

 

[Gresch04]

A turd rolled into town and we bronzed it.

 

[Hire Sather]

It's really been the worst in the way we're getting and losing points

we've been ahead enough in these games to actually have a good record, which would be fantastic

we blow the games, but always get to OT or steal it in the shootout so we're getting garbage points that won't help us make the playoffs but will hurt our draft pick

 

[nevesis]

I agree on the OEL goal but you can't let a Stepan's wrist shot go in from that distance, it's unacceptable.

Lol, easy to say that from your coach. That Stepan shot was a perfect snipe. No goalie stops that.

We had our chances, and failed. Simple as that.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I agree on the OEL goal but you can't let a Stepan's wrist shot go in from that distance, it's unacceptable.

Eh I actually thought the Stepan shot was just as tough if not harder. Cutting across right hand shot from the right boards across, stick open facing and using the D as a screen and he takes the shot of his life. Just under the bar and so close to Hank’s ear it’s almost impossible to get your glove there.

Best way to stop that is make yourself big and hope it hits you, however with Hank’s style he’s not gonna luck into the puck hitting him so a perfectly placed shot is gonna beat him. Take the good with the bad with his technique I guess.

Doesn’t help that it was Stepan too, guy probably taken thousands of Shots on Hank in practice. My takeaway from the Stepan and OEL goals is those are two shots that 99.9% of the time aren’t as perfectly placed and don’t go in. Them’s the breaks I guess.

 

[Inferno]

DeAngelo was awful tonight....just awful...one of the worst games I've seen him play. Yuck.