Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Snes -- 10/23/21

[LORDE]

Eh, dunno how far to ebelieve analytics but Rangers supposedly didn't allow very many high danger chances at all tonday. I don't think Geeorgiev had to save them the way Igor has

I have no idea what the analytics say really... in the 1st & 2nd I saw some prime chances that Geo dealt with.

The team as a whole were defending better than they have for sure but I'm just going by the eye test.

 

[TJHKY]

 

[Boris Zubov]

When Tkachuk was fighting Trouba, once he got Trouba into that awkward spot he was trying hard to push Trouba's head down into the ice, could have been dangerous as shit. You could Trouba realize he was in a bad spot and give up resisting and try to fall so he could land more on his shoulder and back rather than head first.

I brought this up in the game thread. The linesmen did a terrible job not getting in there quicker when Trouba was in a vulnerable spot.

 

[Ola]

Can someone explain to me how Stutzle's diving earlier in the game contributed to the diving call late in the game? Do the refs watch tape in between periods or something? Did they catch the calls? Because if not why would they think Stutzle has a history of diving if presumably they didn't catch the first couple of times?

I am sure they can get intel between periods. BTW, watches the Canada feed, did he dive earlier?

Anyway, if you draw three penalties I think everyone get suspicious. Even if the Canadian feed had no angles indicating a dive I was thinking the same thing myself, hmm, this is the 3rd call now, is it because he catch people by surprise with his quickness or is he embellishing?

 

[duhmetreE]

You and RGY are like a broken record on this. Every single game the two of you are non-stop with the "Chytil is a RW not a C" business. Chytil--as he himself recently said--has been a center his entire life other than a handful of games a couple years ago as a teenager breaking into the NHL. The team clearly sees him as a center as well. I just don't get what either of you guys get out of repeating that line over and over and over again when it clearly isn't a viewpoint shared by anyone on the team. Through five games, he has been 50% on draws--a big improvement from last season (which was a big improvement from the season before that). But one game, where he only took 5 draws, and "it's not working"? Come on now. He's not been as good as I'd hoped he would be out of the gate (particularly after that hatty to close out the pre-season), but his face-offs and his defensive play have both shown significant improvement.

On a side note--I just finished watching today's game (was working this morning and couldn't watch live). I saw Chytil out for (I think) one shift after he got hurt, but that was about it. Has there been any word on whether or not he has an injury or if he was just shook up a bit?

It's very simple. I think the team will be better with him at RW. Barron will be the better option for 3C.

The teams success is more important than what Chytil wants.

 

[Larrybiv]

I screwed up my feed with about 12 minutes left in the third. By the time I got back on, there were seven minutes left and I said; "dammit boys just get one goal, and then the second one will come!" They got the second one, and then I said; "okay, just one more, and end this came already!" It was like magic! No joke, it happened just like that.

 

[Brother Mouzone]

Also, he's the backup. Yes, he's not as good as the starter. And he sat for two weeks. Another reason why the backup needs to play sometimes.

We know he'll let in a stinker. We know he won't make all the big saves Igor does. That's why he'll only start 25 or so. You pick the right opponents and you expect your offense to cover him if he keeps it reasonable.

Cut that number by half

 

[Larrybiv]

9 out of the first 12 on the road. Imagine going 8-3-1, and a remaining difference of 6 in home games coming. That would be quite the good start.

 

[duhmetreE]

Also, he's the backup. Yes, he's not as good as the starter. And he sat for two weeks. Another reason why the backup needs to play sometimes.

We know he'll let in a stinker. We know he won't make all the big saves Igor does. That's why he'll only start 25 or so. You pick the right opponents and you expect your offense to cover him if he keeps it reasonable.

I'm thinking 15-16 starts. Depending on how many back2backs we have.

When your goalie is one of your best players, he needs to play as much as possible.

It's 65+ starts for Shesty and whatever's left for Georgiev. The problem is I think Benoit makes the decisions... but if Shesty starts 4 out of 5 games, it's 80%, or roughly 65 starts.

 

[duhmetreE]

9 out of the first 12 on the road. Imagine going 8-3-1, and a remaining difference of 6 in home games coming. That would be quite the good start.

The schedule is rough. I'm guessing because the Knicks are home or something?

The Rangers always have a terrible schedule to start the year

 

[Ola]

On Fox, there are a lot of comments about how he makes plays ‘only he can make’.

But to put that in perspective, I’ve seen a bunch of players do exactly what he does. It’s not even uncommon. I played 3-4 tier hockey in Sweden and Finland, and some qualification games against 2nd tier teams. Every now and then some experienced SHL player wound up on a 3-4 tier team for whatever reason. This type of hockey is exactly what you could see. You hear jokes like ‘Have you seen X play in the 3rd tier league? All he has to do to beat a defender is first raise his left eyebrow, second skate to the right’, I mean, that is how it looks sometimes.

Fox skill set isn’t dominant overall, but he has worked tremendously on exactly the right things. He does get a jump on a player in many situations because his edge work and first step is great. But more than anything, he is in total control and a step ahead most opponents. When you move on the ice your “posture”, in lack of better words, completely limits your alternatives. Ie if you lean to the left, it takes a second extra to get going to the right. When someone moves down 2-3 tiers, you get the same effect. Everyone coming at the player just advertise their intentions so clearly that the player just has to wait them out.

That Fox can do this at the NHL level is really special.

 

[romba]

If Trouba and Lundqvist are together on PP2 Trouba needs to do a better job not firing into shin pads when he's clearly covered and sliding it over to Lundqvist for a one timer instead. Had a number of prime chances to do so that he turned down. He's trying so hard to get a goal and prove his worth but it's not necessary, he's doing great defensively and that should be more than enough.

 

[DialUp]

On Fox, there are a lot of comments about how he makes plays ‘only he can make’.

But to put that in perspective, I’ve seen a bunch of players do exactly what he does. It’s not even uncommon. I played 3-4 tier hockey in Sweden and Finland, and some qualification games against 2nd tier teams. Every now and then some experienced SHL player wound up on a 3-4 tier team for whatever reason. This type of hockey is exactly what you could see. You hear jokes like ‘Have you seen X play in the 3rd tier league? All he has to do to beat a defender is first raise his left eyebrow, second skate to the right’, I mean, that is how it looks sometimes.

Fox skill set isn’t dominant overall, but he has worked tremendously on exactly the right things. He does get a jump on a player in many situations because his edge work and first step is great. But more than anything, he is in total control and a step ahead most opponents. When you move on the ice your “posture”, in lack of better words, completely limits your alternatives. Ie if you lean to the left, it takes a second extra to get going to the right. When someone moves down 2-3 tiers, you get the same effect. Everyone coming at the player just advertise their intentions so clearly that the player just has to wait them out.

That Fox can do this at the NHL level is really special.

Watching him skate, he has a weird kind of shuffle with his shoulders. Makes him look like he's not going "all out", just trudging along, "oh this again, OK here I go", but he just floats around people. It's hypnotic to watch, because it appears so effortless.

 

[romba]

On Fox, there are a lot of comments about how he makes plays ‘only he can make’.

But to put that in perspective, I’ve seen a bunch of players do exactly what he does. It’s not even uncommon. I played 3-4 tier hockey in Sweden and Finland, and some qualification games against 2nd tier teams. Every now and then some experienced SHL player wound up on a 3-4 tier team for whatever reason. This type of hockey is exactly what you could see. You hear jokes like ‘Have you seen X play in the 3rd tier league? All he has to do to beat a defender is first raise his left eyebrow, second skate to the right’, I mean, that is how it looks sometimes.

Fox skill set isn’t dominant overall, but he has worked tremendously on exactly the right things. He does get a jump on a player in many situations because his edge work and first step is great. But more than anything, he is in total control and a step ahead most opponents. When you move on the ice your “posture”, in lack of better words, completely limits your alternatives. Ie if you lean to the left, it takes a second extra to get going to the right. When someone moves down 2-3 tiers, you get the same effect. Everyone coming at the player just advertise their intentions so clearly that the player just has to wait them out.

That Fox can do this at the NHL level is really special.

He reads the play so damn well too without even looking. He knows what the 'right play' for defenders to make on him and uses it against them. At one point he had just received a pass on a break in and was facing the wall ,and was in an awkward spot near the wall at the point of the offensive blue line, with 2 Sens players breaking in on him. He knew without turning to face them that they would stop short from pinning him and would instead try to intercept his pass. Maybe he head faked a bit so they would bite. He then just stood there, waiting for them to peel off, and then turned around and had all day to make whatever play he wanted. He does that multiple times a game and all over the ice. His smarts, stick handling, combined with edge work and solid first step really set him apart in this league.

He seems to have a bit more trouble especially in the d zone when the opposition just play him physical ignoring his fakes, like against Toronto.

 

[Larrybiv]

May be a controversial take but I think Fox has surpassed Panarin as the best player on the team.

If consistency is part of the equation, then he probably is.

Anyone yet mention how.......Panarin might be missing his buddy, you know......that play driving, unappreciated centerman? Hmmmm.

 

[TJHKY]

 

[tomobson]

It's very simple. I think the team will be better with him at RW. Barron will be the better option for 3C.

The teams success is more important than what Chytil wants.

I think what's best for the team is actually separating Panarin and Strome. We've been winning so far. I know a lot of it is because of Igor but it's not all just because of him. The team has a bit more of the identity the coach wants it to have across all four lines with them split apart. Zib and Kreider aren't exactly puck hogs so I feel Panarin actually fits nicely on that line. Give that line more games and I'm sure it will work out. If the coach wants to put Panarin and Strome back together and let them do their own thing, like in the Quinn days, then just give them Goodrow. Chytil has speed and likes to fight for pucks on the boards but he's soft. Goodrow will actually give that line some bite and a little bit more of the identity the coach is asking of the lines. While it might not be as beneficial to Panarin or Strome, when it comes to individual point totals, I think we'll win more games with those two separated.

 

[will1066]

When Tkachuk was fighting Trouba, once he got Trouba into that awkward spot he was trying hard to push Trouba's head down into the ice, could have been dangerous as shit. You could Trouba realize he was in a bad spot and give up resisting and try to fall so he could land more on his shoulder and back rather than head first.


Eh, dunno how far to ebelieve analytics but Rangers supposedly didn't allow very many high danger chances at all tonday. I don't think Geeorgiev had to save them the way Igor has

He corkscrewed himself to land on his back. I thought it was dangerous af by Tkachuk.

 

[TominNC]

Cut that number by half

NO WAY Igor is playing 70 games. You’re setting yourself up for major disappointment if that’s your target.

 

[TominNC]

I'm thinking 15-16 starts. Depending on how many back2backs we have.

When your goalie is one of your best players, he needs to play as much as possible.

It's 65+ starts for Shesty and whatever's left for Georgiev. The problem is I think Benoit makes the decisions... but if Shesty starts 4 out of 5 games, it's 80%, or roughly 65 starts.

First we have no idea if Igor can stay healthy that long. Also they have indicated that the target is no more than 60

 

[gravey9]

An interesting pattern to note. Foxy is started to do that thing that Brian Leetch did in his days. When the Rangers need someone to step up, especially in a 3rd period and make something happen, it's Fox who makes these really dynamic plays that often leads to goals. In part, it's his confidence and maturity going to the next level. But it's also the team structure. Aside from opening night, the team has kept itself in every game. Either due to Shesty or overall team structure and playing physical. When the games are more organized it allows difference makers to step up and be a difference maker. And now we have difference makers -- Fox, Shesty, Panarin and Zib. Hopefully Kakko or Laf eventually join that club. If so, this team can be something one day. But it's imperative as we add back Kakko and Strome, we do so in a way that doesn't alter the team structure/identity that's forming. It's okay if we become more offensively confident but not at the sacrifice of structure and D.

I see a lot of people on here saying we played like crap yesterday until the very end. I totally disagree. I thought our team structure was quite solid most of the game. The structure was strong. The PP and the offense's ability to get inside was not great. But the team really played well in the smaller areas of the game. We were not running around, making mistakes all over the place. We just didn't have much play inside the paint.

If we are a team that is known for keeping games close and surging in the 3rd period this season, that is an outstanding development. It breeds confidence through the whole lineup. It also gives the goalies confidence to know, we just need to keep the game even or close.

For those who remember -- this team is starting to feel like it can win games similar to the 2014 LA Kings. Are we as potent? No. Not yet. Not at all. But we have enough core pieces to build to that.

 

[will1066]

Panarin's body looks fragile and about to break in that picture.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Panarin's body looks fragile and about to break in that picture.

Lmao he looks like he got called up to his dad's beer league team

 

[will1066]

Lmao he looks like he got called up to his dad's beer league team

He's using his stick -- and Kreider -- to keep himself propped up, it seems.

 

[RGY]

You and RGY are like a broken record on this. Every single game the two of you are non-stop with the "Chytil is a RW not a C" business. Chytil--as he himself recently said--has been a center his entire life other than a handful of games a couple years ago as a teenager breaking into the NHL. The team clearly sees him as a center as well. I just don't get what either of you guys get out of repeating that line over and over and over again when it clearly isn't a viewpoint shared by anyone on the team. Through five games, he has been 50% on draws--a big improvement from last season (which was a big improvement from the season before that). But one game, where he only took 5 draws, and "it's not working"? Come on now. He's not been as good as I'd hoped he would be out of the gate (particularly after that hatty to close out the pre-season), but his face-offs and his defensive play have both shown significant improvement.

On a side note--I just finished watching today's game (was working this morning and couldn't watch live). I saw Chytil out for (I think) one shift after he got hurt, but that was about it. Has there been any word on whether or not he has an injury or if he was just shook up a bit?

Bro please just tag me rather than taking a cheap shot at me so I won’t notice.

Who cares what f***ing Chytil says. He sucks as Center and has continued to suck. It is way more than about being able to take faceoffs, thats a lame-duck comment. He has a low hockey IQ. Makes so many dumb decisions with the puck. His positioning is weak at both ends of the ice. He is incredibly inconsistent. How much longer do we use the excuse that he is young? This is his what, 3rd year in the league? 4th? When does it start to click for him? His defensive play hasn’t been all that great. And he always looks like he is about to cry.

I would trade him in a heartbeat if the right deal came along for a proven C. I would also move him to wing. Less responsibility. Let him be the “skill” player he wants to be. Put Goodrow at Center. Have Barron continue to develop at Center.