Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Snes -- 10/23/21

[SnowblindNYR]

Ehhhh fair enough. I feel if he were playing awful the game would’ve been an easy W for them. He saved the team’s ass way more than they him.

I voted him a star. Fox was the other two for me. No worries about disagreeing

I wouldn't say he played awful but that's about as good as I expect from Georgiev. I'm not super confident in him even being our backup. Maybe we got spoiled by Talbot and Raanta, but those guys you could put into a game and sleep well at night. Georgiev is talented but not mentally strong.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Can someone explain to me how Stutzle's diving earlier in the game contributed to the diving call late in the game? Do the refs watch tape in between periods or something? Did they catch the calls? Because if not why would they think Stutzle has a history of diving if presumably they didn't catch the first couple of times?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Can someone explain to me how Stutzle's diving earlier in the game contributed to the diving call late in the game? Do the refs watch tape in between periods or something? Did they catch the calls? Because if not why would they think Stutzle has a history of diving if presumably they didn't catch the first couple of times?

These are all maybes. After Ranger players were complaining to the Ref he might have asked the other Ref or Linesmen and they told him “ya the kid took a dive”. Or the Ref who didn’t make the first tripping penalty call, saw the first dive and didn’t want to upstage the Ref who did so when it happened the second time he was ready to call it.

 

[Levitate]

These are all maybes. After Ranger players were complaining to the Ref he might have asked the other Ref or Linesmen and they told him “ya the kid took a dive”. Or the Ref who didn’t make the first tripping penalty call, saw the first dive and didn’t want to upstage the Ref who did so when it happened the second time he was ready to call it.

Yeah pretty much, the Rangers were obviously talking to the refs about it and it seems clear to me that by the third period the refs were watching him closer. And yeah, refs could go back and watch video, why not? They don't like players who dive a lot messing with their calls and it seems obvious to me that calling Stutzle late in the game for a dive was directly because he was doing it earlier and the refs weren't happy about it

The whole damn situation is pretty dumb and refs really shouldn't be retroactively punishing players like that but it's always been that way and kid is gonna learn to pick his spots or he's going to start getting a lot fewer calls going his way and a lot more embellishment calls

 

[Levitate]

I thought the guy grabbing Blais’ leg and flipping him over was pretty cheesy and dangerous. Shit happens. But this isn’t judo, either.

When Tkachuk was fighting Trouba, once he got Trouba into that awkward spot he was trying hard to push Trouba's head down into the ice, could have been dangerous as shit. You could Trouba realize he was in a bad spot and give up resisting and try to fall so he could land more on his shoulder and back rather than head first.

He also stopped like a dozen prime chances.

I get your point for sure but if not for him, this game is well over before the 3rd period regardless of the 1 or 2 bad goals he let in.

Eh, dunno how far to ebelieve analytics but Rangers supposedly didn't allow very many high danger chances at all tonday. I don't think Geeorgiev had to save them the way Igor has

 

[duhmetreE]

Georgie gives up, what feels like, a bad goal every game he starts. That's an issue.

It's also jarring going from a surgical masterclass like Shesterkin to Georgie. Maybe that's part of the problem

Eh, dunno how far to ebelieve analytics but Rangers supposedly didn't allow very many high danger chances at all tonday. I don't think Geeorgiev had to save them the way Igor has

xGF for Ottawa was around 2. It was nothing special from Georgiev. He made some saves, nothing more than expected

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Georgie gives up, what feels like, a bad goal every game he starts. That's an issue.

It's also jarring going from a surgical masterclass like Shesterkin to Georgie. Maybe that's part of the problem


xGF for Ottawa was around 2. It was nothing special from Georgiev. He made some saves, nothing more than expected

Rangers have transformed from an "everything is happening" team to "nothing happens" team. Defensively thats great, but they should be much more potent offensively than this. If Shesty starts this game, it's a 3-0 or 3-1 win.

I imagine that they'll go from "nothing happens" to "a few good things happen" once Panarin pulls his head out of his ass and the team gets healthy. The former is really holding them back right now.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Also not enough love for Hunt in this thread. He was 100000% our best forward.

 

[BBKers]

Since diving is a summer Olympic sport, maybe Bobsled would work for Stutzle?

 

[Row I Goon]

Sens should hire Greg Louganis as a special teams coach….

 

[Rempe73]

All I gotta say is damn it I love Kreider

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Rangers have transformed from an "everything is happening" team to "nothing happens" team. Defensively thats great, but they should be much more potent offensively than this. If Shesty starts this game, it's a 3-0 or 3-1 win.

I imagine that they'll go from "nothing happens" to "a few good things happen" once Panarin pulls his head out of his ass and the team gets healthy. The former is really holding them back right now.

I'd rather have it this way than chaos on the ice. They have plenty of offensive talent to score within their structure. The scoring will come and Panarin is the least of my concerns.

 

[smoneil]

I don't know whats going on with Chytil... 20% on draws again. It's not working. I'd put him with Panarin and Strome. A shooter and speed/forecheck on the right. Slot Goodrow at 3C... to baby sit the French Connection

Kreider Zibs Kakko
Panarin Strome Chytil
Lafreniere Goodroux Blais
Hunt Rooney Reaves

I'd like for Barron to get a chance, I just don't see where.

You and RGY are like a broken record on this. Every single game the two of you are non-stop with the "Chytil is a RW not a C" business. Chytil--as he himself recently said--has been a center his entire life other than a handful of games a couple years ago as a teenager breaking into the NHL. The team clearly sees him as a center as well. I just don't get what either of you guys get out of repeating that line over and over and over again when it clearly isn't a viewpoint shared by anyone on the team. Through five games, he has been 50% on draws--a big improvement from last season (which was a big improvement from the season before that). But one game, where he only took 5 draws, and "it's not working"? Come on now. He's not been as good as I'd hoped he would be out of the gate (particularly after that hatty to close out the pre-season), but his face-offs and his defensive play have both shown significant improvement.

On a side note--I just finished watching today's game (was working this morning and couldn't watch live). I saw Chytil out for (I think) one shift after he got hurt, but that was about it. Has there been any word on whether or not he has an injury or if he was just shook up a bit?

 

[smoneil]

Great post. I do want to add one thing about Panarin and his shift length. When he does these double shifts, the player most often screwed by it is Laff. That line that was so effective vs NSH was barely together at even strength for a variety of reasons tonight. But if Panarin is going to take these huge shifts, it's going to effect the rest of the LWs. and it's going to affect the line continuity. I would strongly suggest that one of our checking units be the line that comes out after the Zib line. Have the Chytil unit come out next. And then the other checking unit. At least for now. That way, the player that's getting short changed is Hunt and not our other offensive unit.

I could be wrong, but didn't they do exactly this to start the game? I thought I saw the 3rd line out right after Zib's.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

People that are complaining about Georgiev in this game are focused too much on a bad moment from a guy in his 2nd game and not enough on the fact he held us in this game long enough for us to win.

 

[tlk]

People that are complaining about Georgiev in this game are focused too much on a bad moment from a guy in his 2nd game and not enough on the fact he held us in this game long enough for us to win.

yes, but the 2nd was poor. Even Joe said he'd want to take that one back.
he's came in from the cold ofc
agree, the important bit he held us in

 

[TJHKY]

 

[Chytilmania]

I wouldn't say he played awful but that's about as good as I expect from Georgiev. I'm not super confident in him even being our backup. Maybe we got spoiled by Talbot and Raanta, but those guys you could put into a game and sleep well at night. Georgiev is talented but not mentally strong.

I think he also has last year's incident in the back of his mind too. Before then he was honestly a very solid goalie.

When Igor is in net there is a total different feel to the game and an air of confidence. When Georgiev is in net it feels like any shot can go in.

 

[eco's bones]

We played like dogshit most of the game. On the first goal—would Igor have stopped that? Igor is better than Alex. That one’s a maybe. It was a grade A chance though. I had more problems with the second goal Alex gave up really. In between those two goals he played very well. He made a lot of big saves and stopping 26 out of 28 is a solid night for just about every goalie. You can’t blame the goalie for a loss if you can’t generate offense and you score 0 goals and that’s the way things were going until almost the very end. We got some breaks but as a team we did not play well. Personally I don’t give a shit as long as we find a way. Not getting into goalie bashing here though when the guy held us in the game particularly in the second period and didn’t let the score run up.

 

[romba]

Geo played like an average back up- one terrible goal, one questionable goal, and some grade A very nice saves. That’s a win in my book and hopefully he can build on it.

 

[TominNC]

We all know this. No one is saying Georgiev is a Vezina candidate but there were positives too. That’s all many of us are saying.

Also, he's the backup. Yes, he's not as good as the starter. And he sat for two weeks. Another reason why the backup needs to play sometimes.

We know he'll let in a stinker. We know he won't make all the big saves Igor does. That's why he'll only start 25 or so. You pick the right opponents and you expect your offense to cover him if he keeps it reasonable.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Glad we won, as many pointed out, we don't comeback with Quinn as a coach.

I'd credit this win to Gallant.

There is one thing though I never want to see again. I swear, I think I saw Hunt, Chytil and Blais as the 2nd PP unit ... I never want to see that again. Don't care if you think they were "solid" or whatever.

#neveragain

 

[jay from jersey]

Georgie gives up, what feels like, a bad goal every game he starts. That's an issue.

It's also jarring going from a surgical masterclass like Shesterkin to Georgie. Maybe that's part of the problem


xGF for Ottawa was around 2. It was nothing special from Georgiev. He made some saves, nothing more than expected

this is correct. And once he gives up that bad goal, more often then not over the last year, a little over, he usually falls to pieces and it’s crushing for a teams confidence.
Didn’t sound like Geo really had to face any tough barrage of shots. Maybe a little flurry in the 2nd but nothing outrageous.
That 2nd goal would have been a back breaker. That absolutely should have been saved. It just surprised him and he wasn’t in good position. Thank god this years team has fight in them. Because if that happened last year, 9 outta 10 times, it’s game over.
He’s really not an ideal back up. I think maybe in a more shared situation, which he’s never gonna get here, he may be sharper and more consistent.
The rangers need more of a Raanta, Talbot, even Paveleic level back up, that can come in and stop the bleeding and give you a consistent effort every time he’s called upon

 

[LOFIN]

It hasn't been pretty, but it's good to win with not good performances as well. You can't make the playoffs during the first two months of the season, but you can sure as hell lose your chance at making them.