Confirmed with Link: Rangers sign Blake Wheeler [1Y/800K]
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egelband
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I think this is true to a large extent. But also I don’t think it’s a “skating” issue. It’s a style and system thing. The main guys on the rangers have east-west tendencies so they look slower than a team that goes north-south. I don’t know if that’s all on the players or if it’s a coaching issue. Probably somewhere in-between. But either way, I think the board tends to conflate the play style with skating speed. I would argue that they’re separate things and the rangers players are not substantially better or worse skaters than the players on other teams.
egelband
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Pretty amazing considering he was handling the puck as well.
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NickyFotiu
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Its an interesting situation. I wonder if McDavid asked for a trade what it would take. I would assume something like Bread, Laf, Chytil, and draft picks.
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Interesting concept, but I don't think this is really close. We can't trade Fox since he'd never approve, but that would be the closest in value. Otherwise, I'd think we're looking at something like Zib, Miller, Laf/KK (whoever they want more or both), then a combo of high-end prospects (Othmann, GP, etc) and #1's.
NickyFotiu
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McDavid needs to ask out now. We can work out a fair deal.
JetsFan815
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Yeah Wheeler's straight line speed definitely isn't slow. When people say he has lost a step, that is true but he has lost a step from literally being one of the fastest guys in the league who used to blow past d-men at will in the early to mid 2010s to being about average in his skating. He played with a lot of fast players on the Jets and it wasn't his straightline speed holding him back. Reading this thread one would think he was Lucic on the Flames.
Fitzy
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Fox is still RFA age and so he can't have a NMC. The conversation would start with him, and we keep adding.
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You should post the full play rather than a couple of screenshots. I watched that game, I watched that play. Wheeler thinks Dillon (#5 in the screenshot) is taking the guy driving the middle (Karlsson) and even signals to confirm. Wheeler is planning on being the first forward in the d-zone and attempting to take the trailer. One can accuse Wheeler here of making a bad read about if Dillon was in a position to take Karlsson or not but this is definitely not a case of him losing a footrace. At worst this is a bad defensive read (and I am not even convinced it is that). The full play:
PuckLuck3043
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Thanks for your imput. A lot of Jets fans have said similar things. I guarantee you a lot of people saying he is slow did not see 1 Jets game last year. They just regurgitate what they have read.
I was accusing him of making a bad read.
You're probably not familiar with out board but I'm a former high major DOBO. I'm the reason this board has any player evaluation integrity. Say my name.
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savebyrichter94
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This is out board! lol
I know this was a typo but it made me think of the old “This is outhouse” meme on here
bleedblue94
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Not sure if it was shared but at about 19mins in this link the jets beat discusses wheeler, pros, cons, attitude, what to expect in the room, ECT. This is Canadian beat that is around all the time, not USA bear which drops twice a week for an article.
Very consistent w some of what I've said. Good playmaker (not a shooter), not fast at this point, takes bad penalties at times, his personality will interject into the room (not always a good thing w him) and he will run his mouth, needs a limited role (specifically said 12-14mins a game which is 3rd line role, but we know he's going to be on a top 6 with pp time). Beat writer specifically pointed out that he thinks nyr has established culture to help control wheeler, although we know that this org is actually trying to identify a culture after firing turk and bringing a Sargent in like lavy.
Player personalities and room structure mean so much. People get infatuated w points contracts. This could work out but it could just as well be a grenade.
I'm listening to The Season Wrap Up Show on The Jeff Marek Show with @TuneIn. #NowPlaying The Season Wrap Up Show
Very consistent w some of what I've said. Good playmaker (not a shooter), not fast at this point, takes bad penalties at times, his personality will interject into the room (not always a good thing w him) and he will run his mouth, needs a limited role (specifically said 12-14mins a game which is 3rd line role, but we know he's going to be on a top 6 with pp time). Beat writer specifically pointed out that he thinks nyr has established culture to help control wheeler, although we know that this org is actually trying to identify a culture after firing turk and bringing a Sargent in like lavy.
Player personalities and room structure mean so much. People get infatuated w points contracts. This could work out but it could just as well be a grenade.
I'm listening to The Season Wrap Up Show on The Jeff Marek Show with @TuneIn. #NowPlaying The Season Wrap Up Show
haohmaru
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Curiously, you didn't mention that "he's chasing a Stanley Cup" (ie... came to the Rangers to win) and took far less than market value ("steal of a deal") to play for the Rangers (because that's where he wants to play).
Also said it's probably a "good move for that team (NYR)".
This team could use a few vociferous people in the room.
I'm obviously not in Laviolette's head, but the more that this ages the more I think Wheeler is on the 2nd line RW and Lafreniere is on that line on the left.
Kreider to line 3 (and part of me hates this) but retains his PK/PP time so his ATOI doesn't suffer as much playing with Trocheck and Goodrow/Vesey.
Will this Wheeler thing work out? We'll see.
Honestly with the way the room is now, his rumored personality IS needed.
The captain of this team played with him and signed off on it. This is someone who knows him well and has gone into battle with him. He knows him better than any of us do. If he’s cool with it then so am I.
Guys like Messier wouldn’t be too well received today either. Not putting wheeler on that level, but it’s the truth. Even Hank was known to be a bit of an ass.
What I do know is that we have people who are part of the leadership group here who really have no business being in it (#10 front and center in this.) If the coach isn’t going to hold certain guys accountable (and I have my doubts that Lavi will) then you need the players to police that shit.
Plus wasn’t it Laine who had a problem with Wheeler? Seems like Blake was right about that one.
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as time has gone on, I really love the signing.
Was 'meh' about it when it happened, thinking 'more of the same ol' Rongos'
Was 'meh' about it when it happened, thinking 'more of the same ol' Rongos'
will1066
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will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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haohmaru
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And, like we all knew:
"Lo and behold, enter Blake Wheeler, a free agent for the first time in his 15-year career following Winnipeg’s buyout of the final season of a five-year contract worth $8.25 million per. The winger — who posted 55 points (16-39) — had multiple offers for multi-year deals."
He came here on a discount to win. It's pretty irrefutable.
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“Blake wants to win the Cup, and he believes this is the right spot for that,” agent Matt Keator, who also represents fellow Blueshirts Chris Kreider and Adam Fox, told Slap Shots. “Chris [Drury] took care of his trade deadline work this week. There’s not going to be a better rental.”
"Lo and behold, enter Blake Wheeler, a free agent for the first time in his 15-year career following Winnipeg’s buyout of the final season of a five-year contract worth $8.25 million per. The winger — who posted 55 points (16-39) — had multiple offers for multi-year deals."
He came here on a discount to win. It's pretty irrefutable.
Edited to add:
“Blake wants to win the Cup, and he believes this is the right spot for that,” agent Matt Keator, who also represents fellow Blueshirts Chris Kreider and Adam Fox, told Slap Shots. “Chris [Drury] took care of his trade deadline work this week. There’s not going to be a better rental.”
PuckLuck3043
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No, this can't be. He is going to use the Rangers and play with Panarin or Mika to build his value and then sign that bigger multi year deal when he is a year older.
haohmaru
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No, this can't be. He is going to use the Rangers and play with Panarin or Mika to build his value and then sign that bigger multi year deal when he is a year older.
Bizarre theory to be sure.
If he can replicate last season and be a big body forward he helps this team. Period. Trouba was so shocked that he was serious about coming here in a discount that it says a lot. I’m not against a voice I’m the room that’s unafraid to speak. I think we need it. I hope it works out for both parties.
PuckLuck3043
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I think it will work out and if it doesn't there is very little risk. I also want a guy who is a bit of a hard ass. That is exactly what this team needs.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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It’s a 1 year 800K cap hit, absolutely no risk at all. It’s all reward with no risk. Whether it works or not is another situation
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