The Mittelstadt hype is crazy. everywhere I look he is ranked top 5-10 prospects. I'm still ok with the Lias pick since the two guys I wanted were already gone by the time we picked Lias anyway. Kravtsov probably 10-15 spots too low but whatever.
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The Mittelstadt hype is crazy. everywhere I look he is ranked top 5-10 prospects. I'm still ok with the Lias pick since the two guys I wanted were already gone by the time we picked Lias anyway. Kravtsov probably 10-15 spots too low but whatever.
Mittelstadt hype is way over the top, he's never produced as an elite prospect other then in 6-7 game samples. His production in USHL/NCAA is good but far from elite. I got him steadily in the 15-30 range among drafted prospects, not even close to top 5. I don't get how everyone turns a blind eye to his actual production just because he looks flashy.
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What makes it even more ridiculous is that that same argument is always used against Andersson. He doesn't produce enough.
When you look at their D+1 seasons, what Andersson has done is more impressive than what Mittelstadt has done. Both are good prospects. Neither should be in the top 10.
I've thought Mittelstadt was way over hyped for months. His college production was good. Not great for a freshman. Honestly, what Chytil did last year was 5 times more impressive than what Mittelstadt did. However, it's your typical, I hate NY, small market chip writers that consistently don't give the Rangers prospects enough credit. Said it for a while now. Andersson is the type of player that might take until 22-24 to be really, really, good. However, once he figures it out, he will be a total pain in the ass to play against. Especially in the playoffs where I believe he will be one of those players who can raise his game.
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The comparison stuff is ridiculous. Lias’ intangibles alone are more important than anything Mittlestadt can bring on the ice. Oh, and Lias is highly skilled. We’ve got the better player. NEXT.
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We should get used to this, this season. Why would they play guys that will most likely not be there next year?
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LOL...SKA is far superior to 75% of other KHL teams, they don't need or rely on a couple of players to "win"!
Agreed!
It's totally ridiculous that Hellberg is the season starter, after all the amazing games and stats, Shesty has had over the past couple of years!
I admit I don't know much about the starting 6 d men on a good SKA team but is Rykov really that promising if he can't even dress as the 5/6th dman? He is 21 its not like he's 18.
HatTrick Swayze
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Kravtsov could be a similar riser to Mittlestat on these lists by this time next year.
Either way...4 in the top 50. Not too shabby.
Either way...4 in the top 50. Not too shabby.
yeah I don't get it as a 19 yearold he produced a whopping 30 points in 34 NCAA games and everybody is gushing over this? Jessiman as an 18 yearold produced 47 points in 34 games.
I wouldn’t care much about scoring, it’s usually all over the place and mostly environment related.
Besides, Casey had 11 pts in 7 games in the U20 WJC. Just keep playing that tournament over and over again — there is no way that he isn’t top 2-3 in scoring. Right? Then it’s not a 6-7 games sample.
I don’t think the question is if he was a great pick or not, he was. But it’s not a guarantee that he will be come a great NHLer. That is the real question, good or great NHLer.
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I strongly disagree. There's definitely a strong correlation between scoring at different levels.
WJC is a short international tourney, it should be weighted less then a full regular season, sample size and all... Also international tourneys are weird in general and produce weird results very often. Is it likely that he's in the top 5 of WJC scoring if we replay the tournament? Sure it is, he was the top C of a strong team, played lots of minutes and ran their PP.
It's definitely a 7 game sample, your reasoning for it not being that is just wrong.
I Think Mittelstadt is a great prospect, i don't however Think he's an elite prospect, that's the disconnect.
Nowhere am i saying he's bad, i'm just saying the hype around him is very exaggerated.
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Mittelstadt is a good prospect and is going to be a good player but the hype train has gone off the rails. Seeing people with him as their second best prospect in all of hockey? Setting the kid up for failure when he’s “only” a 60 point player and people are expecting a 90 point super star bc of how much hype he got.
So are you saying that Mittlestad wouldn’t have produced well in a WJC that was — just as a hypothesis — say 40 games long?
I know that you followed that tournament and you got to agree with me that he played a type of hockey that was very productive and definitely not only ‘flashy’. Right? He simply owned the ice when he was on it.
And I would describe the correlation between scoring at certain levels as shaky at best. High scoring team/low scoring team. Defensive/offensive coach. Role on the team. Stats — can — be affected tremendously by outside factors. Right? And it’s always affected to a large degree.
In addition you can sub-sort scoring into a bunch of fields. Where does it come from. Some areas can be there in the NHL too, others won’t be. And so forth and so forth.
I definitely think Mittlestad will be able to take a — much — higher factor of his scoring to the NHL than the average kid in college. In fact, I would bet my right arm, house and mom on that.
Against that back ground, ie that stats is affected to a large extent by outside factors and that different type of assists and goals in juniors transfer differently well to the NHL — it gets darn cloudy if you look too much at stats.
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I agree with the bulk of your post, but I think the point is that a lot of people have good 7 game stretches, at all levels, and they don't always mean much. So, until there's proof of being able to do that kind of thing for a longer period of time, such small stretches should be treated as "good signs" but not determining the overall outlook of a player.
In other words, good news is always better than bad news, but these things must be taken with a grain of salt.
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What I find fascinating is that it's used to explain why Mittelstadt is a top-5 prospect in the world but we never hear the same argument for Andersson who had 7 goals in 7 games and was the leader, but in name and with his performance, of the Swedish team that was 2 minutes away from winning the tournament.
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I'm not worrying about Mittlestadt. He is a really good prospect though and I wouldn't be surprised to see him playing quite a lot with Eichel this year and on the power play and if that happens he should put up pretty good numbers. Just saying. Buffalo has two potential elite players in Eichel and Dahlin and if in the coming years those two reach their ceilings they are going to raise the levels of players like Mittlestadt and make it easier for them to hit their ceilings too.
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