Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 10.17.18) *Part II*

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With Kjellberg i give the Rangers the benefit of the doubt in re nepotism. But not if the argument is that there was another team planning to take Kjellberg before the Rangers next pick, or even at all. We’ve heard that one before.
That said, I just hope he pans out. It’s nothing to get worked up about (not that people here are, just saying).
 
Where's the Kjellberg hate coming from?

Because he's a bad prospect who would have gone undrafted if his dad wasn't the new scout of a team. It's not hate against him, it's hate against NYR who drafts a player based purely off of nepotism.
 
Because he's a bad prospect who would have gone undrafted if his dad wasn't the new scout of a team. It's not hate against him, it's hate against NYR who drafts a player based purely off of nepotism.

Playing devil's advocate here, but what if the Rangers like what they saw in Kjellberg because they saw more of him because his dad is a Rangers scout? They focused more on him, saw him play more than other teams etc.

Not saying it immediately justifies the pick, but it's a different approach to the "nepotism" argument.
 
Playing devil's advocate here, but what if the Rangers like what they saw in Kjellberg because they saw more of him because his dad is a Rangers scout? They focused more on him, saw him play more than other teams etc.

Not saying it immediately justifies the pick, but it's a different approach to the "nepotism" argument.

Eh, i don't think so... Both my scout friends immidiately told me the pick was awful and a throwaway pick...
 
With Kjellberg i give the Rangers the benefit of the doubt in re nepotism. But not if the argument is that there was another team planning to take Kjellberg before the Rangers next pick, or even at all. We’ve heard that one before.
That said, I just hope he pans out. It’s nothing to get worked up about (not that people here are, just saying).
To be fair, at the time the pick was made that was their last pick. They traded into the 7th for Hughes with the 2019 7th they got from Boston
 
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I would have preferred us moving up in the 2nd and drafting a non-goalie (Woo or Whatever) there and drafting our goalie in the third round instead (if Lindbom was gone then Jesper Eliasson would’ve been there).
Drafting Kjellberg is a bit of a head scratcher as well
Time will tell
 
You know this board has become really bad with some of the conspiracy theories and drawing conclusions that correlation equates to causation over the last year or so.

The Rangers have not displayed any significant evidence over the years --- both at the draft, and when it comes to acquiring players, reclamation projects, or signings.

I can comfortably say that 99 percent of the time, most scouts do not give any significant value to whether someone is a colleagues son.

Now, they will look at the family as a whole in terms of upbringing, genetics, athletic backgrounds, etc. But unlike baseball with 40 rounds, hockey drafts don't really allow for extremely late round favors.

Yes, a kid like Kjellberg is a long shot --- as would any kid taken in the sixth round of the draft. The reality is that his odds of making it are incredibly slim.

But the constant second guessing and accusations and drawing conclusions is getting carried away.
 
You know this board has become really bad with some of the conspiracy theories and drawing conclusions that correlation equates to causation over the last year or so.

The Rangers have not displayed any significant evidence over the years --- both at the draft, and when it comes to acquiring players, reclamation projects, or signings.

I can comfortably say that 99 percent of the time, most scouts do not give any significant value to whether someone is a colleagues son.

Now, they will look at the family as a whole in terms of upbringing, genetics, athletic backgrounds, etc. But unlike baseball with 40 rounds, hockey drafts don't really allow for extremely late round favors.

Yes, a kid like Kjellberg is a long shot --- as would any kid taken in the sixth round of the draft. The reality is that his odds of making it are incredibly slim.

But the constant second guessing and accusations and drawing conclusions is getting carried away.
If it matters, I would dislike the pick if his last name wasn't Kjellberg. The guy we drafted right at the tail end, Hughes, seems like a much more interesting and worthwhile project to me. There were other guys that went after Kjellberg that seemed more intriguing as prospects. Of course, I don't follow any of the prospects that late (especially unranked guys like Kjellberg) so I really don't know. The Rangers could absolutely have made the right choice.

Either way, I believe that people would have disliked the Kjellberg pick even if he wasn't related to a scout. That he was related to our scout just gives a bad visual, to me anyway, and I guess a lot of others.
 
You know this board has become really bad with some of the conspiracy theories and drawing conclusions that correlation equates to causation over the last year or so.

The Rangers have not displayed any significant evidence over the years --- both at the draft, and when it comes to acquiring players, reclamation projects, or signings.

I can comfortably say that 99 percent of the time, most scouts do not give any significant value to whether someone is a colleagues son.

Now, they will look at the family as a whole in terms of upbringing, genetics, athletic backgrounds, etc. But unlike baseball with 40 rounds, hockey drafts don't really allow for extremely late round favors.

Yes, a kid like Kjellberg is a long shot --- as would any kid taken in the sixth round of the draft. The reality is that his odds of making it are incredibly slim.

But the constant second guessing and accusations and drawing conclusions is getting carried away.

I have a theory. And it has to do with upbringing, not so much just picking sons of staff members. When you look at the current Rangers organization and which players we have drafted/traded for/signed, there is a list of players who are related to former NHL players. A case can be made for thinking those kids know what it takes, mentally, to make it to the NHL. They were raised in a family that was in the spotlights.

Andersson
Ronning
Namestnikov
Ragnarsson
Virta
Kjellberg
Hayes
Lettieri
Hughes

All come from a family with NHL-ties.
 
If it matters, I would dislike the pick if his last name wasn't Kjellberg. The guy we drafted right at the tail end, Hughes, seems like a much more interesting and worthwhile project to me. There were other guys that went after Kjellberg that seemed more intriguing as prospects. Of course, I don't follow any of the prospects that late (especially unranked guys like Kjellberg) so I really don't know. The Rangers could absolutely have made the right choice.

Either way, I believe that people would have disliked the Kjellberg pick even if he wasn't related to a scout. That he was related to our scout just gives a bad visual, to me anyway, and I guess a lot of others.

But see that's the funny thing right there.

Let's be real for a second, many of the people with strong opinions on these late round kids wouldn't be able to identify them if they literally walked by on the street.

I don't think most of the people honestly give two deuces about the issue --- this issue is being pushed by a select few --- on here.

Truth be told, most people aren't focusing on debating about 6th round picks that have long shot odds of making it.

But the scout angle, even if it doesn't line up with what how the overwhelming majority of NHL organizations work, or the team's history, has become this whole other topic. Never mind that it directly contradicts what the Rangers did in the second round, we've embarked on creating this narrative anyway.

More than likely, people would've found something else to complain about. Hell, a year later we are literally having the same conversations about Andersson that we did 14 months ago. We can add this one to the list.
 
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I have a theory. And it has to do with upbringing, not so much just picking sons of staff members. When you look at the current Rangers organization and which players we have drafted/traded for/signed, there is a list of players who are related to former NHL players. A case can be made for thinking those kids know what it takes, mentally, to make it to the NHL. They were raised in a family that was in the spotlights.

Andersson
Ronning
Namestnikov
Ragnarsson
Virta
Kjellberg
Hayes
Lettieri
Hughes

All come from a family with NHL-ties.

And I can tell you that is a big factor for a lot of teams.

Not because a kid is the son of a friend or colleague, but because of factors such as training, genetics, etc.

So yes, that is an accurate assessment.

The Rangers are not taking a kid because he's the son of a personnel member. They might see something they like in him, we might not agree with it, we might like other prospects, but they're not taking a kid as a favor to a scout.

In fact, from what I've seen over the years, it actually works the opposite way with fathers and colleagues of fathers seeking to avoid a conflict of interest.

I'd almost be willing to bet that the scouts who observed Kjellberg probably were not the members of the team closest to him, nor did they even consult with him before coming up with their rankings.
 
But see that's the funny thing right there.

Let's be real for a second, many of the people with strong opinions on these late round kids wouldn't be able to identify them if they literally walked by on the street.

I don't think most of the people honestly give two deuces about the issue --- this issue is being pushed by a select few --- on here.

Truth be told, most people aren't focusing on debating about 6th round picks that have long shot odds of making it.

But the scout angle, even if it doesn't line up with what how the overwhelming majority of NHL organizations work, or the team's history, has become this whole other topic. Never mind that it directly contradicts what the Rangers did in the second round, we creating this narrative.

More than likely, people would've found something else to complain about. Hell, a year later we are literally having the same conversations about Andersson that we did 14 months ago. We can add this one to the list.
So, what's the problem, then? Instead of debating the fact that this guy probably sucks like most guys taken in his spot, we're talking about whether the fact that he's a scout's kid had anything to do with him being drafted? Unless someone has an intense desire to defend the integrity of the Rangers' draft process, what difference does it make? Once these kids start playing and and we get a semimonthly update on Kjellberg in the USHL, no one will really care anymore.

Andersson is different. The high picks, people really care about. Kjellberg will fade from memory soon enough, unless we continue to have these protracted discussions.

In fact, from what I've seen over the years, it actually works the opposite way with fathers and colleagues of fathers seeking to avoid a conflict of interest.

For the record, I made this point myself as it related to why we might not have taken Drury.

I have never stated that the Rangers drafted Simon Kjellberg solely because he was Patric's kid. I never stated that we scouted him solely for that reason. I have merely highlighted the connection and pointed out that it may have influenced things. If that's totally unreasonable, fine; I don't think it is. But as a member of the "select few" who are apparently pushing a narrative, I just want to clarify my actual position on this.
 
I still find it highly improbable that they wasted a pick during a rebuild on a kid because he was a scout’s son. I’ve posted it elsewhere, but they’ve most likely seen him through his various games in the Sweden U16/17 circuits and when they were scouting Tim Liljegren last year.

I’m going to wait until I actually see this kid play before I debate this futher. On the bright side, he’s going to a good USHL program and hopefully a good college after next year. Idk how his skating is, but at least he has good size and an NHL frame.
 
So, what's the problem, then? Instead of debating the fact that this guy probably sucks like most guys taken in his spot, we're talking about whether the fact that he's a scout's kid had anything to do with him being drafted? Unless someone has an intense desire to defend the integrity of the Rangers' draft process, what difference does it make? Once these kids start playing and and we get a semimonthly update on Kjellberg in the USHL, no one will really care anymore.

Andersson is different. The high picks, people really care about. Kjellberg will fade from memory soon enough, unless we continue to have these protracted discussions.



For the record, I made this point myself as it related to why we might not have taken Drury.

I have never stated that the Rangers drafted Simon Kjellberg solely because he was Patric's kid. I never stated that we scouted him solely for that reason. I have merely highlighted the connection and pointed out that it may have influenced things. If that's totally unreasonable, fine; I don't think it is. But as a member of the "select few" who are apparently pushing a narrative, I just want to clarify my actual position on this.

Debating the kid's merits, fine. His skating isn't great, he doesn't show much creativity, and he's as raw as a Spicy Tuna Roll.

But when we start flat out throwing out the conclusion that it was nepotism, and done as a favor to a scout, then that's a different story. And yes, that claim has been made on these boards. Not debated. Not implied. It was made (not by you).

And yeah, I do feel the need to defend the integrity of the Rangers' draft process a little, because I know quite a few of those people. I've worked with them, I've seen the insane hours they put in, the time they spend away from their families, and the (surprisingly) modest pay they receive for their work.

So when people, (not you), start putting stuff out that there isn't based in fact, or doesn't have any evidence to support its claims, yeah I'm a little more likely to throw a flag on the play.

Look, I'm in a somewhat unique spot in the sense that if we're talking about players from the mid 90s to around 2003, I probably directly worked with them in some capacity, at some point. Additionally, when we're talking about some of the behind the scenes people, there's a reasonable chance I know some of them.

So when people throw rumors and innuendo out there, I don't find that to be fair. People are entitled to their own opinions, but I think we need a reasonable amount of proof before accusations are made. Whether it's accusing a player of substance abuse, or scouts of nepotism, that's a very direct and somewhat personal accusation to make. We have to be careful with that. It's way too easy to do these days, and yes people are watching more than we realize.
 
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OK--fair enough. I'm going to stick to my guns on this one but understand where you're coming from and why. Hopefully the conversation can fade soon enough.
 
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I’d agree that our front office generally deserve a benefit of a doubt instead of each move they made (or didn’t) being questioned by some of our most outspoken board “scouts” and “GMs”.
 
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I've said the only reason he got picked was nepotism and i stand by it. If his dad wasn't a scout of an NHL team then he would have gone undrafted, i feel confident saying this.

I am however not stating it as a fact, but as my opinion. Feel free to disagree but you won't change my mind. I've seen Kjellberg play and i have two Swedish based scouts who told me it was a throwaway pick. Hopefully he proves us wrong and he develops well, i wish nothing but the best for him.
 
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To me, a forward was the correct pick with the second rounder unless they feel Shesterkin doesn't have a lot of interest coming over. I would have gone three forwards and one defenseman in their first four picks. They went 2 d, goalie and forward. Have no freakin idea why. I hope they have a plan. To me, having 6 to 8 defenseman prospects on the left side and 5 goalie prospects is not a good plan.
 
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