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Ola said:
I think Gorton will have a hard time moving Namestnikov without taking a contract back. Who knows, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I didn't know that Strome was a RFA after this season. That might give him some value if he starts off well.
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Why? Names has 1 year deal. If we eat 50% we'll get a solid return for him.
 
Traverse should be interesting for us this year:

Goal--Igor Shesterkin, Adam Huska

Defense--Adam Fox, Yegor Rykov, Joey Keane, Nico Gross--maybe Libor Hajek.

Forwards--Kaapo Kakko (or Jack Hughes), Vitali Kravtsov, Jacob Elmer, Patrick Newell--maybe Ville Meskanen.

A lot of top end talent. The draft might provide another two or three players.
 
Anyway to me Strome, Namestnikov and Vesey are all pretty equal. All mid-20's third liners. I don't hate any of them but I wouldn't lose any sleep over moving any of them either. Fair value for any of them is a late 2nd. On better teams they would fit into roles better suited for their skill sets and I'm not sure some posters are looking clearly at that in considering their value. They are real NHL players and when you get to the 3rd round you're really getting into crapshoot territory.
 
eco's bones said:
Anyway to me Strome, Namestnikov and Vesey are all pretty equal. All mid-20's third liners. I don't hate any of them but I wouldn't lose any sleep over moving any of them either. Fair value for any of them is a late 2nd. On better teams they would fit into roles better suited for their skill sets and I'm not sure some posters are looking clearly at that in considering their value. They are real NHL players and when you get to the 3rd round you're really getting into crapshoot territory.
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Of those guys I'd most likely want to keep Strome. I think he turned a corner with us last year, I like Namestnicov 's approach to hockey but his offense has dried up.
 
Namestnikov is a solid depth piece for any team in contention. Bottom 6er who is decent on special teams and can move up with injuries or if he's having a good game.

Strome is very valuable. He thinks the game well. There will be times next year he's the second line center. He had a very good year with the Rangers. Let's see if he can build on it.

Vesey is just kind of there to me. Not in love with him.
 
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Skjeikspeare said:
Namestnikov is a solid depth piece for any team in contention. Bottom 6er who is decent on special teams and can move up with injuries or if he's having a good game.

Strome is very valuable. He thinks the game well. There will be times next year he's the second line center. He had a very good year with the Rangers. Let's see if he can build on it.

Vesey is just kind of there to me. Not in love with him.
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Vesey is the type of player you always forget when putting together a line-up
 
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I don't know why we're talking about them in the Prospects Thread, but Strome seemed as good as he was partly because he shot 22% for the year which he'll probably never do again. By his norms, his 18 goals would have been about 8. He still a useful player, but I wouldn't expect him to build on anything. Tough to build on luck, an unsustainable pace, or whatever you want to call it.

Namestnikov is fine. He'll be a decent trade chip or they can even re-sign him for half of what he's making.

Vesey has limited abilities but can be dangerous. He's just fine on a third line. Expecting big points or 30 goals is silly, but he is durable, kind of annoying to play against, and should be good for a floor of 15/15 with a ceiling not much higher. I'm sure one year he'll do 20/20 or 25/15 or something.

Anyway... prospects!
 
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eco's bones said:
Anyway to me Strome, Namestnikov and Vesey are all pretty equal. All mid-20's third liners. I don't hate any of them but I wouldn't lose any sleep over moving any of them either. Fair value for any of them is a late 2nd. On better teams they would fit into roles better suited for their skill sets and I'm not sure some posters are looking clearly at that in considering their value. They are real NHL players and when you get to the 3rd round you're really getting into crapshoot territory.
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Definitely agree but I don't think they're returning any 2nd rounders this summer. Maybe in January or February though.
 
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eco's bones said:
Anyway to me Strome, Namestnikov and Vesey are all pretty equal. All mid-20's third liners. I don't hate any of them but I wouldn't lose any sleep over moving any of them either. Fair value for any of them is a late 2nd. On better teams they would fit into roles better suited for their skill sets and I'm not sure some posters are looking clearly at that in considering their value. They are real NHL players and when you get to the 3rd round you're really getting into crapshoot territory.
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Add Fast to this group and I’d try to offload them in order based on the least value to the Rangers starting Vesey then Fast, Names and Strome. I could see the Rangers keeping one or even two from this group longer. None of them would require long term contracts and if the Rangers begin to compete (I.e. making playoffs) sooner than later, then maybe Strome or / and Names could be affordable even if they’re pushed to the forth line. I mean look who’s playing on the forth line for the Blues. I’d be more than comfortable with Andersson-Strome-Namestnikov 4th line. Again, $4m might seem like a lot but with the ever increasing cap, this trend still continuing, I think it might be affordable with a lot of key players still on their ELC.
 
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bobbop said:
Namestnikov brings back a third unless his offense improves next year. That’s with salary retention. Maybe a low, low second.
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Mactavish was an impending UFA who had 26-32 points (during a much higher scoring era) for 4 seasons prior to getting traded to the Rangers. He shared 3C/4C with Nemchinov, though mostly 3C. We we gave up a kid who went on to play 1,200 NHL regular games and 95 more in the playoffs for 12 regular season games and the playoffs from Mactavish.

Some team may need depth and doesn't want to throw a first+ for a higher end rental.

I think someone would pay a second for Names or at a minimum 3+4. Same for Vesey and Fast. I think they return 2, 2 and 3 (assuming that one has a subpar season). Which is not bad.

Realistically we could be looking at something like 5OA, 18OA (Zuccarello), 22OA (part of the return for Kreider), 2, 2, 2, 3 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7. That's a lot of firepower to upgrade the rebuild.
 
Beacon said:
Mactavish was an impending UFA who had 26-32 points (during a much higher scoring era) for 4 seasons prior to getting traded to the Rangers. He shared 3C/4C with Nemchinov, though mostly 3C. We we gave up a kid who went on to play 1,200 NHL regular games and 95 more in the playoffs for 12 regular season games and the playoffs from Mactavish.

Some team may need depth and doesn't want to throw a first+ for a higher end rental.

I think someone would pay a second for Names or at a minimum 3+4. Same for Vesey and Fast. I think they return 2, 2 and 3 (assuming that one has a subpar season). Which is not bad.

Realistically we could be looking at something like 5OA, 18OA (Zuccarello), 22OA (part of the return for Kreider), 2, 2, 2, 3 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7. That's a lot of firepower to upgrade the rebuild.
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You quoting a deal from before the salary cap era. Draft choices and promising young assets are considered far more valuable now because of cost control issues. Neil Smith made a lot of deals that could be questioned on their merits but he won The Stanley Cup. The Stanley Cup.

Namestnikov, with 50% retention, probably gets you a low two at the deadline. If his offense perks up considerably next year, that could change. For a playoff contender, he’s a Brian Boyle type of acquisition. He is also a player I could see the Rangers extending albeit at a lower salary.

I don’t see Vesey in a top nine role with this team next year. I’ll gladly take a second now or a high third. Unless the roster changes dramatically, I don’t see him in a position to build any additional value.

And you, like many here, simply underestimate how the organization values Fast. Yes it’s possible he could go at the deadline next year but only if the team has decided at that point not to extend him. The Rangers value Fast highly. Best penalty killer on the team, wears a letter, can play up and down the lineup. Could bring back a two or be a part of a bigger deal. More likely, he’ll get a two year extension at about the same $.

I’m really not that obsessed about stockpiling 2020 draft picks. The Rangers have a boatload of young players. I’ll take the Stars 1st and gladly add here and there but the better deals are probably available on the back end.

And I’d love to continue to find a good young players when I am moving assets. Gorton has done that already with Lindgren, Lemieux, Rykov and others. I expect that will continue.

Before I back up the truck again at next years deadline, I’d like to see how the players who remain on this team looks after 50 games next year.
 
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bobbop said:
I don’t see Vesey in a top nine role with this team next year.
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Maybe, maybe not. It depends on whether we keep Kreider and how well kids like Kravsov, Chytil and Lias do.


bobbop said:
And you, like many here, simply underestimate how the organization values Fast.
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I don't, I just don't see a reason to keep a 29 year old on a very young team beyond the next year if we can get a value asset for him. He has value presently because you can't run all rookies, but by the 2020-21 season, Chytil, Lias and Lemieux are in their 4th season of getting at least some NHL games, Butcher, Boo and ADA in their 5th season, even Howden will be done with his rookie and sophomore years. How much babysitting is really needed at that point? Will be time for the youth to step up or shut up. Some combination of Kravtsov, Howden, Lias, Lemieux, Strome, Boo, Vinni, Gettinger, Barron should get the job done competently in the bottom-6 (some may not yet make it, some [Kravtsov?] may be ready for top-6 duty, but that's why I have more than 6 guys).

I think a second round pick is a valuable enough asset that if we can get it in return for a few post-TDL games of Fast, we should go for it.
 
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I feel like Vesey and Fast may be pieces heading the other way in exchange for guys who teams may be wanting to offload due to cap reasons.

For example, Fast for Colin Miller?
 
NYR Viper said:
I feel like Vesey and Fast may be pieces heading the other way in exchange for guys who teams may be wanting to offload due to cap reasons.

For example, Fast for Colin Miller?
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Could take Clarkson’s contract too. I don’t think they’re looking to move Fast though
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
Could take Clarkson’s contract too. I don’t think they’re looking to move Fast though
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Agreed and that’s probably a part of it too. Maybe:

Conor Brown + Nathan Horton’s contract + ______ for Fast

The Rangers gain some control on Brown and add some size

I’m just trying to show the types of deals I’m talking about. Haven’t really delved into the major details just ideas
 
Fast's fate to me has always been linked to Virta or a lesser extent Meskannen. One of those two makes the team out of camp or can keep up with the NHL pace, it's going to make Fast expendable.
 
NYR Viper said:
Agreed and that’s probably a part of it too. Maybe:

Conor Brown + Nathan Horton’s contract + ______ for Fast

The Rangers gain some control on Brown and add some size

I’m just trying to show the types of deals I’m talking about. Haven’t really delved into the major details just ideas
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I haven’t really looked into the money either, but I had the thought of Smith/Shattenkirk for Clarkson and Miller and a pick the other day, it’s not really helping make space on defense right this second, but Miller’s probably way easier to trade whenever they’d need to
 
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