Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 6.27.19)

[Leetch3]

not everyone has to be the same age...you can have some old timers that are almost 28 when kakko and kravtsov hit their stride...just like you continue drafting so eventually there are guys younger than them

 

[n8]

That's not what he said. He said they'd be retiring when our prospects are 27.

ok, still worrying about when Kakko is 27 is a bit much. Kid hasn't even been drafted yet. Maybe he has a point in there that is getting lost behind the context.
edit: ok, i read the chain. Yeah, I agree that Trouba is not on our time line. I thought he was talking about Kakko at 27.

 

[kovazub94]

How can our core consist of 2016-18 draftees when Kakko is the center of our core and we didn't even have a first rounder in 2016 [2013-2016]? Our best 2016 draftee is Gettinger. Talk about synergy... We got Fox, Howden and Hajek drafted in 2016, but are we really suggesting they are in the core and Kakko isn't?

And yes, we have 3 guys (Zibanejad, Butcher and Strome) drafted in 2011-2013, but every team needs slightly older guys for vet leadership.

Unless he busts, our timeline is Kakko.

I specifically acknowledged Kakko in the next sentence. The main point was that all of the forwards' core is with NY Rangers starting with this upcoming season.

 

[kovazub94]

wat

Howden?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Howden?

Howden is young but is Strome really an important piece?

 

[mrhockey193195]

Why are you talking about 2012 as if it was so lo...oh God it's been 7 years already?

I'm still thinking it's 1998. I'm not sure what the hell happened.

 

[kovazub94]

Howden is young but is Strome really an important piece?

He was listed third after Ziba and Buch, specifically as someone who could be a part of the core and thus as part of this group, also have his prime years "wasted" before RD (a would be draftee this offseason) is ready to contribute.

Please follow the context of discussion.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He was listed third after Ziba and Buch, specifically as someone who could be a part of the core and thus as part of this group, also have his prime years "wasted" before RD (a would be draftee this offseason) is ready to contribute.

Please follow the context of discussion.

No I follow, but is he really a core piece moving forward?

Hes like the 2nd most obvious placeholder to Namesnikov.

 

[cwede]

.. is Strome really an important piece?

not a popular opinion, but i believe Strome could be,
[especially if other F vets (Vesey? Kreider? Namest?) are moved]

he was quite good for NYR, especially after TDL, when he got added ice
played in all situations, was effective, coach Quinn seemed to trust him

NYR has few RHS F's (Zib, Fast), and Strome's just 26 next season,
a one-time 5th overall ( 1 spot ahead of ZIB, 10 ahead of JTMiller)
i think some fans let the low price NYR paid for him influence their low opinion of his value

my particular suggestion (already disparaged here, but feel free) is that maybe he should even wear the C

i love Zib, however, just recently, making NYR's best and most important player Captain undermined McD's continued improvement and performance

Strome could a Nevin/Maloney/Kisio/Callahan type Captain, rather than burden a premier player

 

[kovazub94]

No I follow, but is he really a core piece moving forward?

Hes like the 2nd most obvious placeholder to Namesnikov.

I don't know. He was put under a lot of pressure, mishandled and miscoached pretty much his whole pro career. If he maintains (exceeds?) his performance as a Ranger and is eventually pushed to the 3rd (or even 4th lines - if the Rangers forward core is this good) then he's piece of the core. I like a lot of things that I saw from him in a decent size portion of last season. His contribution (and I'm not talking only goals) increased as he found a role.

 

[kovazub94]

not a popular opinion, but i believe Strome could be,
[especially if other F vets (Vesey? Kreider? Namest?) are moved]

he was quite good for NYR, especially after TDL, when he got added ice
played in all situations, was effective, coach Quinn seemed to trust him

NYR has few RHS F's (Zib, Fast), and Strome's just 26 next season,
a one-time 5th overall ( 1 spot ahead of ZIB, 10 ahead of JTMiller)
i think some fans let the low price NYR paid for him influence their low opinion of his value

my particular suggestion (already disparaged here, but feel free) is that maybe he should even wear the C

i love Zib, however, just recently, making NYR's best and most important player Captain undermined McD's continued improvement and performance

Strome could a Nevin/Maloney/Kisio/Callahan type Captain, rather than burden a premier player

I see your point about the different types of C, but I think specifically re. Strome it is not a good idea. Wearing letter is additional pressure, more responsibilities and expectations, and partly a reason for his NYR success was that there was very little external pressure on him in terms of expectations.

 

[Leetch3]

i think strome is a key vet going into next year...he's your insurance down the middle if the kids are in over their heads.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Eh, "timelines" and "windows" are nebulous. They shift around and can be impacted by plenty of variables. Your expected timeline can be interrupted unexpectedly, and start anew just as unexpectedly. If you can get a guy now that you think can give you five or more good years, I think that's a fine addition. I'm not talking about Trouba or Panarin or anyone in particular. Just talking about the idea of rigid, static, predefined timelines and windows.

We plan, God laughs. It’s also important to remember how these teams constantly turn over and no cores are always together outside of like maybe 5-7 guys tops.

 

[egelband]

Can anyone speak on Ragnarsson? It's he going to be a factor? What is his timeline? Comparable players? Just curious. But age-wise he should be right in-like with the next wave of prospects, I'd think.

 

[Levitate]

Can anyone speak on Ragnarsson? It's he going to be a factor? What is his timeline? Comparable players? Just curious. But age-wise he should be right in-like with the next wave of prospects, I'd think.

He's a late round pick so the odds of him making it are very slim to begin with. If he's a factor it'll probably be something like 4+ years out from his draft year

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Strome did well for us, decent depth player, I think of him more as a cod piece than a core piece

 

[Beacon]

I specifically acknowledged Kakko in the next sentence. The main point was that all of the forwards' core is with NY Rangers starting with this upcoming season.

At the start of the next training camp the most talented part of the core (Kakko, Chytil and Kravtsov) will be teenagers, and in the case of Miller not in New York. The timeline is not when they are still growing and adjusting to the NHL, but when they are in their prime. I assure you, kids who can't legally buy beer will not be our saviors.

 

[Beacon]

Horse. Cart. Meet beacon. No one is retiring at 27.

Please read before you respond, especially if what you understood clearly couldn't have been said by anyone who knows anything about hockey.

I said that by the time Kakko is 27-28 and in the middle of his prime, Trouba will be retired. By then, he will be 34-35.

 

[Tawnos]

Please read before you respond, especially if what you understood clearly couldn't have been said by anyone who knows anything about hockey.

I said that by the time Kakko is 27-28 and in the middle of his prime, Trouba will be retired. By then, he will be 34-35.

Kakko’s most productive seasons are likely the be 4-5 years earlier than that.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Our _best_ window Will likely be 20/21 and 21/22 when Kakko is still on his ELC (and a bunch other good young player on their ELC), so getting a D-man that i’ll certainly be good those seasons while also being young should be the main focus when looking at adding a D-man.

Also, a players prime is ending at 27-28.

 

[kovazub94]

Please read before you respond, especially if what you understood clearly couldn't have been said by anyone who knows anything about hockey.

I said that by the time Kakko is 27-28 and in the middle of his prime, Trouba will be retired. By then, he will be 34-35.

Top2 OA should be entering his prime around 22-23 years old and he’s the youngest piece of a future core. Trouba’s contract would fit perfectly.

 

[Unusual Suspect]

I don't know. He was put under a lot of pressure, mishandled and miscoached pretty much his whole pro career. If he maintains (exceeds?) his performance as a Ranger and is eventually pushed to the 3rd (or even 4th lines - if the Rangers forward core is this good) then he's piece of the core. I like a lot of things that I saw from him in a decent size portion of last season. His contribution (and I'm not talking only goals) increased as he found a role.

I'd also take some issue with any implication that a "core" piece is by definition a star player. The argument could certainly have been made for Fast in recent years in much the same way I'd have applied the label to a Jan Erixon back in the day. Strome is young enough and provided enough strength and stability last year to be thought of as a core element if he can repeat or exceed last year's second half performance.

 

[Levitate]

Please read before you respond, especially if what you understood clearly couldn't have been said by anyone who knows anything about hockey.

I said that by the time Kakko is 27-28 and in the middle of his prime, Trouba will be retired. By then, he will be 34-35.

Prime offensive years for a forward are more like 23-25

 

[nyr2k2]

Prime offensive years for a forward are more like 23-25

Yeah that's the most recent analysis from the most recent data sets.

 

[kovazub94]

Prime offensive years for a forward are more like 23-25

That's the very peak. Teams don't look at players in such a narrow scope when building a team. The total contribution to team's success is more than just offensive stats, i.e. experience gained in the next few years are likely to make this player overall more valuable to team's overall success even if it's at expense of a few lost points. Depending on when this player came into NHL (and assuming we are talking about someone who'd not be able to easily replaced with a generic player) the prime window is somewhere in 22-32 range with some peaks and valleys during these years. Genetics (including physical attributes), training, diet and wear & tear all contributes to that upper limit.