Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 6.16.22)

[The Crypto Guy]

Next season:
Othmann stays in Juniors and plays in WJCs
Cuylle plays AHL
Berard stays NCAA

23-24:
All 3 are in AHL/NHL

Absolutely zero reason for Othmann to play in the NHL next year with the amount of young wingers we have looking for ice time. Crazy to think he goes to the NHL already.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Next season:
Othmann stays in Juniors and plays in WJCs
Cuylle plays AHL
Berard stays NCAA

23-24:
All 3 are in AHL/NHL

Absolutely zero reason for Othmann to play in the NHL next year with the amount of young wingers we have looking for ice time. Crazy to think he goes to the NHL already.

As long as Othmann isn't on the roster for more than 39 games, they're not risking anything.

With how Othmann is performing, I have a hard time seeing him in the OHL for another full season. With the effort they already put in for the kid, with personal coaches, training sessions over the summer, extensive talks with Tanner Glass as the director of player development, I don't think another full year in juniors is what they want.

If Drury thinks half a season in the NHL does more for his development, I fully expect Othmann to stay on the team until at least late December/early January.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

As long as Othmann isn't on the roster for more than 39 games, they're not risking anything.

With how Othmann is performing, I have a hard time seeing him in the OHL for another full season. With the effort they already put in for the kid, with personal coaches, training sessions over the summer, extensive talks with Tanner Glass as the director of player development, I don't think another full year in juniors is what they want.

If Drury thinks half a season in the NHL does more for his development, I fully expect Othmann to stay on the team until at least late December/early January.

They are risking his development if he isn't getting any meaningful ice time. Why stall it for 5 months IMO. We have a lot of young wingers that need that ice time to continue their own development, and yes we need to include the possibility that Kravstov is on the roster next season whether people want to admit that or not. Kakko and Laf need to be playing meaningful top 6 minutes next season, every game. Panarin and Kreider are already taking up 2 of those 4 spots already. Then your 3rd line you have possibly Kravstov, Chytil, Blais and Goodrow going for those wing spots. There is no room for Othmann next season. We aren't playing him on the 4th line to kill his development.

He's 19 for most of next season, let him completely dominate the OHL, get stronger, and work on parts of his game that need improvement for the next level. When his OHL season ends he can play pro hockey for a month or two.

It can be much more damaging for him to get rushed to the NHL to barely play, than to have him play 20 minutes a game in the OHL and continue to work on parts of his game that need improvement.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They are risking his development if he isn't getting any meaningful ice time. Why stall it for 5 months IMO. We have a lot of young wingers that need that ice time to continue their own development, and yes we need to include the possibility that Kravstov is on the roster next season whether people want to admit that or not. Kakko and Laf need to be playing meaningful top 6 minutes next season, every game. Panarin and Kreider are already taking up 2 of those 4 spots already. Then your 3rd line you have possibly Kravstov, Chytil, Blais and Goodrow going for those wing spots. There is no room for Othmann next season. We aren't playing him on the 4th line to kill his development.

He's 19 for most of next season, let him completely dominate the OHL, get stronger, and work on parts of his game that need improvement for the next level. When his OHL season ends he can play pro hockey for a month or two.

It can be much more damaging for him to get rushed to the NHL to barely play, than to have him play 20 minutes a game in the OHL and continue to work on parts of his game that need improvement.

I'm not saying what I think is best for his development but what I think based on their investments already. I disagree with having him play 4th line minutes in NY but don't be surprised if it happens.

The only thing teams are worried about, is the 40-game threshold for accrued seasons.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I'm not saying what I think is best for his development but what I think based on their investments already. I disagree with having him play 4th line minutes in NY but don't be surprised if it happens.

The only thing teams are worried about, is the 40-game threshold for accrued seasons.

I'm sorry i'm getting confused about what this 40 game threshold thing is you are talking about. Are you talking about how many games he can play without sending him back to Juniors, or still allowing his contract to slide another year? Or something else?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm sorry i'm getting confused about what this 40 game threshold thing is you are talking about. Are you talking about how many games he can play without sending him back to Juniors, or still allowing his contract to slide another year? Or something else?

Sorry, let me explain.

10-game played threshold: ELC counts and is no longer slide eligible
40-game on the roster threshold: Counts as an accrued season towards UFA eligibility

If Othmann is on the team for 40 games, that means he is UFA eligible at age 26, rather than age 27. This is why, in Draisaitl's rookie season, he was sent back to juniors after the team's 39th game to preserve that RFA eligibility for another year.

Teams don't generally care about ELC years burning. Jones and Scanlin both had it happen to theirs in the last 12 months alone, despite neither of them being game changers just yet. There's a reasonable theory that @nyr2k2 has elaborated on previously, that burning a year can actually lead to a lower AAV on the player's first SPC.

If Othmann's ELC kicks in in 2022 and he is RFA in 2025, you might sign him before his breakout year assuming that breakout year is 2025-26, whereas having his ELC slide for a 2nd year could theoretically screw your cap by only allowing to sign him to an extension after that breakout year, so to speak.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Sorry, let me explain.

10-game played threshold: ELC counts and is no longer slide eligible
40-game on the roster threshold: Counts as an accrued season towards UFA eligibility

If Othmann is on the team for 40 games, that means he is UFA eligible at age 26, rather than age 27. This is why, in Draisaitl's rookie season, he was sent back to juniors after the team's 39th game to preserve that RFA eligibility for another year.

Teams don't generally care about ELC years burning. Jones and Scanlin both had it happen to theirs in the last 12 months alone, despite neither of them being game changers just yet. There's a reasonable theory that @nyr2k2 has elaborated on previously, that burning a year can actually lead to a lower AAV on the player's first SPC.

If Othmann's ELC kicks in in 2022 and he is RFA in 2025, you might sign him before his breakout year assuming that breakout year is 2025-26, whereas having his ELC slide for a 2nd year could theoretically screw your cap by only allowing to sign him to an extension after that breakout year, so to speak.

Ah gotcha, I normally don't hear about the 40 game threshold for UFA eligibility so wasn't sure what you meant.

Eh, I think that ELC eligible is pretty significant with the way our roster is right now. The longer we can wait for him to get his 2nd contract the better since cap issues may become a probably for us down the road.

I'm just not so eager to have him play in the NHL so young, we have seen Kakko and Laf start off slower than we all would have liked, and while both are looking better I would still personally rather see Othmann slow cook a bit longer.

 

[kovazub94]

Is there going to be two WJC (and camps) this year including the one that was canceled last year and if so is Othmann eligible for both?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Is there going to be two WJC (and camps) this year including the one that was canceled last year and if so is Othmann eligible for both?

Yes two WJCs, one in the summer and one next Dec again.

Going to be the same roster, for the most part this summer that was playing before COVID shut it down so I don't think Othmann will be there. But I guess I chance with injuries. It was a crime he wasn't on the roster last Dec, but...politics.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yes two WJCs, one in the summer and one next Dec again.

Going to be the same roster, for the most part this summer that was playing before COVID shut it down so I don't think Othmann will be there. But I guess I chance with injuries. It was a crime he wasn't on the roster last Dec, but...politics.

Technically they can call up a new roster so he could make it. But the relationship between Othmann and HockeyCanada isn't great unfortunately. An incident at the u18s, him not receiving his championship ring yet and then not being invited for the u20s... My parents get along better and they can't be in the same room together for more than 10 minutes

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Othmann scored the lone goal for Flint tonight in a 5-1 loss. Goal #43.

Cuylle also scored a goal in a 6-3 win. Goal #41.

Both have 5 regular season games remaining. Othmann is a point away from tying a franchise record in points with 90 (already has the goal record).

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[nyr2k2]

Vaisanen scored in the J20 and Henriksson scored his first career SHL playoff goal.

 

[rangersfansince08]

you love to see it

 

[redwhiteandblue]

On top of everything else for BO, that kids muzzy is getting serious

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I'm not saying what I think is best for his development but what I think based on their investments already. I disagree with having him play 4th line minutes in NY but don't be surprised if it happens.

The only thing teams are worried about, is the 40-game threshold for accrued seasons.

I'll be VERY surprised... almost as surprised as I would be if Blais were o the roster, because barring moves (ones we would no like, but are actually much more probable than Othmann being there), the wings would be packed with guys who desperately need time. Plus, if not Vatrano, they WILL get another cost-controlled RW capable of a top-six role,. especially if you figure they'll move mountains to get Copp at 2C.

If Kravtsov does play (though it seems he'd sooner join the motherland's war effort), it's even less likely. It's not about the PROcess." You can't be breaking ion rookies on every line. JG tasked Quinn with that and he actually did pretty admirably... water under the bridge... but it'd signify a step backwards. Forwards, particularly in the last five years, are trained such a way that they develop slowly... he's also a pandemic baby... all things considered, 19 y/o, Othmann isn't leaving junior yet. Maybe a couple games if he has a good camp AND they don't plan on the AHL for him.

Someone else mentioned Blais... someone always does--weird cult following. The reality is Hunt is a generic Blais and is signed for another year... I don't dislike hm, but the pas has shown, guys in his situation are either traded (4th round pick or like D+4 middle-six prospect in his case) or given a 1-yeart, sink-or-swim spc... probably less than 1M for a guy with more sink potential. I doubt even Phoenix would.

I'd happily give him 8-8.75K

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I'll be VERY surprised... almost as surprised as I would be if Blais were o the roster, because barring moves (ones we would no like, but are actually much more probable than Othmann being there), the wings would be packed with guys who desperately need time. Plus, if not Vatrano, they WILL get another cost-controlled RW capable of a top-six role,. especially if you figure they'll move mountains to get Copp at 2C.

If Kravtsov does play (though it seems he'd sooner join the motherland's war effort), it's even less likely. It's not about the PROcess." You can't be breaking ion rookies on every line. JG tasked Quinn with that and he actually did pretty admirably... water under the bridge... but it'd signify a step backwards. Forwards, particularly in the last five years, are trained such a way that they develop slowly... he's also a pandemic baby... all things considered, 19 y/o, Othmann isn't leaving junior yet. Maybe a couple games if he has a good camp AND they don't plan on the AHL for him.

Someone else mentioned Blais... someone always does--weird cult following. The reality is Hunt is a generic Blais and is signed for another year... I don't dislike hm, but the pas has shown, guys in his situation are either traded (4th round pick or like D+4 middle-six prospect in his case) or given a 1-yeart, sink-or-swim spc... probably less than 1M for a guy with more sink potential. I doubt even Phoenix would.

I'd happily give him 8-8.75K

Are we trying to say Hunt is equal to Blais? Your post was very difficult to read. Blais is 5x the player Hunt wishes he was. Not only is Blais much more physical and strong, he also has shown signs of knowing how to play offense, something Hunt will never figure out.

 

[romba]

Blais is Hunt with hands, better shot, bigger hits, and worse coverage in the D zone. Same player!

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Blais is Hunt with hands, better shot, bigger hits, and worse coverage in the D zone. Same player!

So basically completely different players?

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Are we trying to say Hunt is equal to Blais? Your post was very difficult to read. Blais is 5x the player Hunt wishes he was. Not only is Blais much more physical and strong, he also has shown signs of knowing how to play offense, something Hunt will never figure out.

Are we? Dude, you tell me lol

Sorry, I'll brush up on my English... note that I said 'generic.'

He's more dominant physically... I'll play devil's advocate which one of those four assists in his 14 games screamed offensive development to you? He increasingly drove the net, like most settling-in forwards do, only to have it knocked away (even by multiple goalies. He is a good offensive SUPPORT player. Comparable purely in that senseto Fast or Vatrano (different ways of doing it). I'd take him back for under 1M 'cause 14 games says about as much as my posts do!

 

[savebyrichter94]

On top of everything else for BO, that kids muzzy is getting serious

I was gonna say, loving the stache!

 

[RangersFan1994]

Does Othmann have any experience playing center and does he play RW or is he like Cuylle strickly a LW. I know Rangers tend to like forwards that can play both wings or center and wings? If Othmann has experience playing more than one forward position that would be helpful down the road.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Does Othmann have any experience playing center and does he play RW or is he like Cuylle strickly a LW. I know Rangers tend to like forwards that can play both wings or center and wings? If Othmann has experience playing more than one forward position that would be helpful down the road.

I believe he has pretty much been exclusively LW.

 

[bhamill]

Does Othmann have any experience playing center and does he play RW or is he like Cuylle strickly a LW. I know Rangers tend to like forwards that can play both wings or center and wings? If Othmann has experience playing more than one forward position that would be helpful down the road.

I could swear I've heard he's comfortable on either wing and so is Berard, though Cuylle, as you mentioned, is not.

 

[ArPanet]

When CHL playoffs start will that require a new subscription to watch or does the regular season subscription include playoffs?