Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #2; Updated 10.7.20)

[nyr2k2]

As an aside, do Russians really consider themselves "Asians"? I know there are plenty of ethnic groups out there that would probably feel more aligned with Asian cultures, but that 75% of the Russian population that lives in the European Russia...they don't, generally, do they? Not trying to get into a big debate about it, I just don't think I've seen anyone on here refer to it as Asia when they're referring to players from Russia (or even the for Soviet countries).

I feel like in professional sports when we talk about "Asian players" we're usually talking about Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Philippine, etc.

 

[nyr2k2]

How many Canadian/American players that the Rangers picked over that time frame are on the NHL roster or have any hope of ever making it?

2015
Ryan Gropp - bust.
Brad Morrison - who?

2016
Sean Day - that's a nope.
Tim Gettinger - cup of coffee. Hartford depth.
Gab Fontaine - Hartford depth.
Tyler Wall - Decent college career. Hartford next year.
Ty Ronning - Everybody got excited briefly, but nope.

2017
Brandon Crawley - Maine.
Morgan Barron - our first possible success story? Too soon to tell.

2018
K'Andre Miller - looks to be a very good pick.
Joey Keane - traded.
Riley Hughes - college

So there are 12 guys there. One has NHL time. One projects to have a good NHL career. One has been traded away. There are a couple (Wall, Barron) that are too soon to tell. The rest are long shots at best at panning out.

Is that any better than our European drafting?

Also, you forgot Adam Huska.

It's all pretty even. I think our drafting has been okay, but some misses at the top in the last 20 years have hurt (before anyone tells me that pick X has a X% chance of making it, I don't care; I want to be better than average). It's not limited to the European players, though. As you pointed out, we've had plenty of misses domestically, as well.

Huska is interesting because he came up playing in Solvakia but then came over to play in the USHL, where he had played for a year when we drafted him (though he continued to represent Slovakia internationally).

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Huska is interesting because he came up playing in Solvakia but then came over to play in the USHL, where he had played for a year when we drafted him (though he continued to represent Slovakia internationally).

Yeah, I think Huska counts as a NA prospect because he played in the USHL at the time of the draft after coming over mid-season, similar to Jan Myšák this year

 

[nyr2k2]

Yeah, I think Huska counts as a NA prospect because he played in the USHL at the time of the draft after coming over mid-season, similar to Jan Myšák this year

Yeah for sure. He's just part of that interesting subgroup of international players who come over to play in NA right before they're drafted. Guys like Kucherov. It still seems weird to consider Kucherov a North American skater because he decided to come and play in the Q prior to his draft after growing up and playing in Russia.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah for sure. He's just part of that interesting subgroup of international players who come over to play in NA right before they're drafted. Guys like Kucherov. It still seems weird to consider Kucherov a North American skater because he decided to come and play in the Q prior to his draft after growing up and playing in Russia.

Yeah, and Auston Matthews was a European skater in his draft

 

[Leetch3]

 

[JimmyG89]

For anyone that is interested, since there is no more afternoon hockey, Rykov's game will be on TV in the US. If you have 11Sports (Channel 597 on FioS), CKSA and Ak Bars will be on at 12:30PM EST.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

As an aside, do Russians really consider themselves "Asians"? I know there are plenty of ethnic groups out there that would probably feel more aligned with Asian cultures, but that 75% of the Russian population that lives in the European Russia...they don't, generally, do they? Not trying to get into a big debate about it, I just don't think I've seen anyone on here refer to it as Asia when they're referring to players from Russia (or even the for Soviet countries).

I feel like in professional sports when we talk about "Asian players" we're usually talking about Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Philippine, etc.

My family is from Belarus and we absolutely consider ourselves Eastern Europeans. We’re in between the Balkans and the Baltics it’s kinda nonsensical for western russian to be considered Asia. Genetically we share most of our makeup with Europe. Granted as a jewish person things get a little more spread out on that side but for the most part definitely european. The asian part of russia would be the far east and far south. All the stans that were former satellite states are asian because historically they were in Genghis Khan’s parh. Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Dagistan, Chechnya, Azerbaijan. Those are all former soviet states where you’ll find russian people that would identify as more asian, you also find that Islam is more prevalent there as well because of proximity to the middle east. The USSR being so large leads to a lot of very interesting diversity, id argue they dont deserve it, super racist place.

 

[nyr2k2]

My family is from Belarus and we absolutely consider ourselves Eastern Europeans. We’re in between the Balkans and the Baltics it’s kinda nonsensical for western russian to be considered Asia. Genetically we share most of our makeup with Europe. Granted as a jewish person things get a little more spread out on that side but for the most part definitely european. The asian part of russia would be the far east and far south. All the stans that were former satellite states are asian because historically they were in Genghis Khan’s parh. Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Dagistan, Chechnya, Azerbaijan. Those are all former soviet states where you’ll find russian people that would identify as more asian, you also find that Islam is more prevalent there as well because of proximity to the middle east. The USSR being so large leads to a lot of very interesting diversity, id argue they dont deserve it, super racist place.

Yeah that's kind of what I thought. A majority of the Russian population falls in Europe (or west of the Caucasus I guess) and probably share much more with European culture. That's why I just find it odd when people talk about it as "Asian." To me, even though that may make up a majority of the country's geography, I feel like it speaks to a much lesser percentage of the actual population.

Of course I am not from the region; my ancestry is predominantly Italian and Irish, tracing it back five or six generations. So I don't claim to speak for anyone. I do know however that colloquially (in North America) "Asian" would mean something wholly different than the vast majority of people you would find in Russia.

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah that's kind of what I thought. A majority of the Russian population falls in Europe (or west of the Caucasus I guess) and probably share much more with European culture. That's why I just find it odd when people talk about it as "Asian." To me, even though that may make up a majority of the country's geography, I feel like it speaks to a much lesser percentage of the actual population.

Of course I am not from the region; my ancestry is predominantly Italian and Irish, tracing it back five or six generations. So I don't claim to speak for anyone. I do know however that colloquially (in North America) "Asian" would mean something wholly different than the vast majority of people you would find in Russia.

At a high-level only ingenious Siberia population (equivalent of North-American Indians) could be considered Asian. Everyone else should be considered European.

In certain situations a reference to Asia is used in the context of Russian mentality given a significant influence from "The East" and some its specific traits that are less common in the "Western world".

 

[Harbour Dog]

Reunanen was literally in preseason games with the Rangers last fall....

And looked fantastic.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

How many Canadian/American players that the Rangers picked over that time frame are on the NHL roster or have any hope of ever making it?

2015
Ryan Gropp - bust.
Brad Morrison - who?

2016
Sean Day - that's a nope.
Tim Gettinger - cup of coffee. Hartford depth.
Gab Fontaine - Hartford depth.
Tyler Wall - Decent college career. Hartford next year.
Ty Ronning - Everybody got excited briefly, but nope.

2017
Brandon Crawley - Maine.
Morgan Barron - our first possible success story? Too soon to tell.

2018
K'Andre Miller - looks to be a very good pick.
Joey Keane - traded.
Riley Hughes - college

So there are 12 guys there. One has NHL time. One projects to have a good NHL career. One has been traded away. There are a couple (Wall, Barron) that are too soon to tell. The rest are long shots at best at panning out.

Is that any better than our European drafting?

Also, you forgot Adam Huska.

There were 12 Canadian/U.S. born players drafted between the 2015 draft through the 2018 draft. 7 of those 12 were drafted in the sixth and seventh round.
Of the 12 seven played in Hartford last year. 3 played in College and one in Juniors. 1 Brad Morrison washed out.
There is a chance that if the scouring staff would have done a better job in selecting European/Asian players that could handle the stress of living and playing in North America those picks could have been used to draft European/Asian players who would be able to adapt better to playing away from their country, family and friends. Or those picks could have been used to take chances on North American players.
Maybe our whole draft department needs to reassess the way they scout future talent.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

As an aside, do Russians really consider themselves "Asians"? I know there are plenty of ethnic groups out there that would probably feel more aligned with Asian cultures, but that 75% of the Russian population that lives in the European Russia...they don't, generally, do they? Not trying to get into a big debate about it, I just don't think I've seen anyone on here refer to it as Asia when they're referring to players from Russia (or even the for Soviet countries).

I feel like in professional sports when we talk about "Asian players" we're usually talking about Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Philippine, etc.

I just didn’t want to be Virtual Signaled for labeling all non North American players as European.

 

[bobbop]

Any word on Hunter Skinner's season this year?

I feel like he was progressing in London's line up but he isn't discussed here often.

He was doing fine but was injured and I am not sure if he ever came back. Think it was a concussion.

 

[Leetch3]

He was doing fine but was injured and I am not sure if he ever came back. Think it was a concussion.

he played on 3/8 in london's last game before the world shutdown...

 

[Ola]

As an aside, do Russians really consider themselves "Asians"? I know there are plenty of ethnic groups out there that would probably feel more aligned with Asian cultures, but that 75% of the Russian population that lives in the European Russia...they don't, generally, do they? Not trying to get into a big debate about it, I just don't think I've seen anyone on here refer to it as Asia when they're referring to players from Russia (or even the for Soviet countries).

I feel like in professional sports when we talk about "Asian players" we're usually talking about Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Philippine, etc.

Interesting question, my guess is that if you ask someone on the street they are most likely to say neither, they are Russian period, beyond that Slavic. Someone in St Petersburg will of course not say Asian, maybe a few 10%s would say European. While of course someone in Vladivostok/Manchuria hardly would say European since they are a slap shot from China/North Korea/Japan. Funny fact illustrating just how large Russia is. Vladivostok is closer to San Francisco than Moscow.

 

[kovazub94]

So while we're waiting on Kravtsov to start his 20-21 season, Rykov played his first game for CSKA in their opening game against Ak Bars Kasan. These were the two top teams (East and West) last season based on the end of the regular season, both team sweeping their 1st round after which the season was halted.

Ak Bars won in OT 3:2. Rykov was on to get a minus on Ak Bars tying goal that took the game to OT. He played on the 3rd pair getting just over 15 min, though there wasn't a big discrepancy in the ice time between all SCKA defensemen and especially between 2nd or 3rd pairs (2nd pair got just about 1 min more). Because of pandemic SCKA pre-season included only 1 game as many games had been canceled. As a whole they looked gassed in the 3rd, Rykov included. IMHO he had pretty good first 2 periods. Good one on one defending on the boards. Good passes out of the zone to start attack.
In the 3rd he was on the ice for well over 1 min on the tying goal and after being knocked to the ice around the goal just moments ago he didn't have a chance to close faster on Ak Bars forward behind the net (Nagel Dawes says hello) who passed to a very high slot for a one-timer that found the net (CSKA center who needed to defend that area fell asleep on this). Just a shift before he made a blunder when he tried to passed out of the zone but got the puck directly on the stick of an opponent by the blue line. In the dying minutes of regulation he had a great offensive chance when he sneaked to the right circle in Ak Bars zone for a one timer that hit the post.

Overall it wasn't a bad first game. He was quarterbacking the 2PP unit and had some PK time too.

 

[eco's bones]

He was doing fine but was injured and I am not sure if he ever came back. Think it was a concussion.

Actually Skinner played in all 62 games London played last year. The first half he was going kind of gangbusters--nearly a point a game and then there was an accident. He was crashing the crease in a game with Niagara and collided with Niagara's goalie Tucker Tynan and if I remember rightly Hunter's skate caught Tynan somewhere around the throat--lots of blood and Tynan ended up in the hospital and it was kind of a close call. After that Skinner's offensive game kind of went south.

 

[eco's bones]

Anyway Pronman's prospect evaluations by organization is going on and so far:

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8. Colorado Avalanche
9. Montreal Canadiens
10. Philadelphia Flyers
11. Arizona Coyotes
12. Calgary Flames
13. Los Angeles Kings
14. Chicago Blackhawks
15. Minnesota Wild
16. Winnipeg Jets
17. Dallas Stars
18. Detroit Red Wings
19. Columbus Blue Jackets
20. St. Louis Blues
21. Anaheim Ducks
22. Florida Panthers
23. Boston Bruins
24. Vegas Golden Knights
25. Tampa Bay Lightning
26. Edmonton Oilers
27. New York Islanders
28. San Jose Sharks
29. Nashville Predators
30. Pittsburgh Penguins
31. Washington Capitals

Which is to say that while some teams in our division are getting deeper others are heading in the other direction.

 

[UnSandvich]

Actually Skinner played in all 62 games London played last year. The first half he was going kind of gangbusters--nearly a point a game and then there was an accident. He was crashing the crease in a game with Niagara and collided with Niagara's goalie Tucker Tynan and if I remember rightly Hunter's skate caught Tynan somewhere around the throat--lots of blood and Tynan ended up in the hospital and it was kind of a close call. After that Skinner's offensive game kind of went south.

Got Tynan in the leg, but yeah. Pretty sure that incident is what completely threw off Skinner's mental game

 

[Ghost of jas]

Anyway Pronman's prospect evaluations by organization is going on and so far:

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13. Los Angeles Kings
14. Chicago Blackhawks
15. Minnesota Wild
16. Winnipeg Jets
17. Dallas Stars
18. Detroit Red Wings
19. Columbus Blue Jackets
20. St. Louis Blues
21. Anaheim Ducks
22. Florida Panthers
23. Boston Bruins
24. Vegas Golden Knights
25. Tampa Bay Lightning
26. Edmonton Oilers
27. New York Islanders
28. San Jose Sharks
29. Nashville Predators
30. Pittsburgh Penguins
31. Washington Capitals

Which is to say that while some teams in our division are getting deeper others are heading in the other direction.

Since we know that Carolina and New Jersey are joining the Rangers likely in the top ten, and since I see the Devils easily behind the Rangers and Hurricanes in where they are in their respective paths, I think this points towards one hell of a rivalry between the Rangers and Hurricanes in the coming years.

 

[JimmyG89]

Since we know that Carolina and New Jersey are joining the Rangers likely in the top ten, and since I see the Devils easily behind the Rangers and Hurricanes in where they are in their respective paths, I think this points towards one hell of a rivalry between the Rangers and Hurricanes in the coming years.

Yup, these two teams are going to be going at it for a while. Flyers are going to be high on the list too. Rangers-Flyers is going to be the go to rivalry game over the next decade. Lots of young talent on both squads and the rivals of the previous decade (Penguins, Capitals) are going to be heading into tough times in the next 2-3 years.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yup, these two teams are going to be going at it for a while. Flyers are going to be high on the list too. Rangers-Flyers is going to be the go to rivalry game over the next decade. Lots of young talent on both squads and the rivals of the previous decade (Penguins, Capitals) are going to be heading into tough times in the next 2-3 years.

Ooops, forgot about the Flyers.

 

[True Blue]

Yup, these two teams are going to be going at it for a while. Flyers are going to be high on the list too. Rangers-Flyers is going to be the go to rivalry game over the next decade. Lots of young talent on both squads and the rivals of the previous decade (Penguins, Capitals) are going to be heading into tough times in the next 2-3 years.

As soon as the Pens stop making the playoffs, there will be a #1 pick waiting for them.

 

[broadwayblue]

As soon as the Pens stop making the playoffs, there will be a #1 pick waiting for them.

You mean this year?