Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #2; Updated 10.7.20)

[bl02]

Kulak is not marginal.

He would be our best LD.

He was very competent in the playoffs. Some people may say that is a small sample size. I watched him a lot in montreal this year and he was ok definitely not very good. It would all depend on what it would cost to get him. He's signed for two more years at a very good cap hit so that would line up with what we need (Reasonably priced LHD) until guys like Robertson and Miller are really ready.
But I'm afraid after a decent playoffs MB might want an overpayment for him. not sure i would do that.

 

[cwede]

He was very competent in the playoffs. Some people may say that is a small sample size. I watched him a lot in montreal this year and he was ok definitely not very good. It would all depend on what it would cost to get him. He's signed for two more years at a very good cap hit so that would line up with what we need (Reasonably priced LHD) until guys like Robertson and Miller are really ready.
But I'm afraid after a decent playoffs MB might want an overpayment for him. not sure i would do that.

A main reason NYR might need him is to expose to Seattle, as he has both gamesplayed and contractstatus to meet requirements.

 

[JCProdigy]

Yeah, players coming in at age 19 or 20 and playing in the NHL regularly are the exception, but somehow a lot of fans seem to forget that

Yeah when I was looking at teenagers in the NHL over a ten year period, only 82 players played at least 20 games in a season at that age, averaging 62 games.

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah when I was looking at teenagers in the NHL over a ten year period, only 82 players played at least 20 games in a season at that age, averaging 62 games.

2 draft years, about 8 players per year (even less if you take a 40 games minimum), which is top 3 players per draft plus one more! That’s it!

 

[Tawnos]

I understand the maturity aspect of things but your argument seems to assume that Del Zotto playing another year in junior or going to the AHL, Grachev sticking around another year in Brampton, Kravtsov staying home in Russia, would make them more mature. There's no guarantee whatsoever that any of them would have been more prepared for the next step had they gone a different route. I know many people who were not materially different at 24 than they were at 18. We see guys in sports that do "make it" who still do stupid, immature shit well into their careers. Some guys are just like that. It's easy to second guess, but other than with Kovacs I think the right decision was made.

I think that Grachev spending another season beating up on the opposition just because of his size would have done the opposite of help him mature. It would have made his difficulty in translating into a league without that advantage even harder.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think that Grachev spending another season beating up on the opposition just because of his size would have done the opposite of help him mature. It would have made his difficulty in translating into a league without that advantage even harder.

I agree. I agreed then, too. He needed to transition to a league where he couldn't just use his physical gifts to abuse the opponent each night.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Posted this on the Vitali Kravtsov thread:
Calling out Nickolai Bobrov, Mikko Eloranta, Jan Gajdosik, Oto Hascak, Patric Kjellberg, Vladimir Lutchenko.
Whatever formula you all are using to evaluate players that will one day transition over to the NHL it is not working.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Posted this on the Vitali Kravtsov thread:
Calling out Nickolai Bobrov, Mikko Eloranta, Jan Gajdosik, Oto Hascak, Patric Kjellberg, Vladimir Lutchenko.
Whatever formula you all are using to evaluate players that will one day transition over to the NHL it is not working.

Still wrong

 

[kovazub94]

Posted this on the Vitali Kravtsov thread:
Calling out Nickolai Bobrov, Mikko Eloranta, Jan Gajdosik, Oto Hascak, Patric Kjellberg, Vladimir Lutchenko.
Whatever formula you all are using to evaluate players that will one day transition over to the NHL it is not working.

Its not only Lias and Vitali. Add a bad choice in selecting Miller because he didn’t like staying in school. Nils because he decided to stay another year in the SHL. Barron - too smart. Henriksson - too small. Jones - too offensive. Robertson - too Canadian.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Its not only Lias and Vitali. Add a bad choice in selecting Miller because he didn’t like staying in school. Nils because he decided to stay another year in the SHL. Barron - too smart. Henriksson - too small. Jones - too offensive. Robertson - too Canadian.

Look at Shestyorkin, staying in Russia for 5 years! Does he even care?

 

[Kocur Dill]

Dell Zotto was progressing nicely until the Malkin skate incident.

When he came back from that it changed his game a lot for some reason and he never was the same. Maybe just coincidence.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Any word on Hunter Skinner's season this year?

I feel like he was progressing in London's line up but he isn't discussed here often.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Its not only Lias and Vitali. Add a bad choice in selecting Miller because he didn’t like staying in school. Nils because he decided to stay another year in the SHL. Barron - too smart. Henriksson - too small. Jones - too offensive. Robertson - too Canadian.

I am not questioning the skill set of the European/Asian players that this group has been recommending to be drafted since 2015/16. I am calling on their assessment of the mental maturity and desire of these prospects to leave their country, be separated from friends and family and relocate to a foreign country with all the language problems and adapt to being on their own.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Any word on Hunter Skinner's season this year?

I feel like he was progressing in London's line up but he isn't discussed here often.

I was a bit skeptical when he decommitted and opted to go the OHL route, but his first season was surprisingly positive early on. He slowed down a bit later on but I think he progressed nicely. His rights expire in June though which is the downside of him going to the OHL.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Still wrong

Of the 16 European/Asian players that were drafted between 2015 and 2018 5 of those players (1/3) have come and gone:
Vitali Kravtsov
Robin Kovacs
Daniel Bernhardt
Lias Anderson
Sergey Zborovskiy
3 Never came:
Tarmo Reunanen
Pat Virta
Dominic Lakots
6 Are too young to tell:
Jakob Ragnarsson
Simon kjellberg
Calle Sjalin
Olof Lindbom
Nils Lundqvist
Lauri Pajuniemi
2 are still here:
Filip Chytil
Aleksi Saarela(Florida Panthers)

If you discount the six that are too young to count, that leaves 2 out of 10 or 20%.
I certainly believe that their methods of recommending a player to be drafted should be reassessed.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Of the 16 European/Asian players that were drafted between 2015 and 2018 5 of those players (1/3) have come and gone:
Vitali Kravtsov
Robin Kovacs
Daniel Bernhardt
Lias Anderson
Sergey Zborovskiy
3 Never came:
Tarmo Reunanen
Pat Virta
Dominic Lakots
6 Are too young to tell:
Jakob Ragnarsson
Simon kjellberg
Calle Sjalin
Olof Lindbom
Nils Lundqvist
Lauri Pajuniemi
2 are still here:
Filip Chytil
Aleksi Saarela(Florida Panthers)

If you discount the six that are too young to count, that leaves 2 out of 10 or 20%.
I certainly believe that their methods of recommending a player to be drafted should be reassessed.

Kravtsov is literally under contract
Kovacs was a good pick on draft day, just didn't work out
Bernhardt had injuries so serious, he retired before his rights even expired
Andersson is still in the system
Zborovsky was not a European draft pick
Reunanen is literally on an ELC. What do you mean "Never came"?
Virta was a 7th round pick, 3rd year eligible
Lakatos was a 6th round pick, 2nd year eligible.

Those last two are long-shot picks to begin with. Total number of games played by players drafted in rounds 6 and 7 combined? Just 9

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Kravtsov is literally under contract
Kovacs was a good pick on draft day, just didn't work out
Bernhardt had injuries so serious, he retired before his rights even expired
Andersson is still in the system
Zborovsky was not a European draft pick
Reunanen is literally on an ELC. What do you mean "Never came"?
Virta was a 7th round pick, 3rd year eligible
Lakatos was a 6th round pick, 2nd year eligible.

Those last two are long-shot picks to begin with. Total number of games played by players drafted in rounds 6 and 7 combined? Just 9

Not questioning the players skill set. Just calling on their assessment of the mental maturity and desire of these prospects to leave their country, be separated from friends and family and relocate to a foreign country with all the language problems and adapt to being on their own. If I remember correctly Kovacs and Bernhardt had issues in their adjustments to living up in Connecticut.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Not questioning the players skill set. Just calling on their assessment of the mental maturity and desire of these prospects to leave their country, be separated from friends and family and relocate to a foreign country with all the language problems and adapt to being on their own. If I remember correctly Kovacs and Bernhardt had issues in their adjustments to living up in Connecticut.

Bernhardt never signed a contract. He never made it to Connecticut. Like I said, he retired early (2018) due to injuries.

Kovacs had serious attitude issues (Still does). He was projected to be a 1st round pick. Ranked top-10 among EU skaters in his draft year by CS. We picked him in the 3rd round. He was not that different than Sean Day. At some point, you take a gamble. Not going to lose sleep over a 3rd round pick

Lias Andersson is having issues, whether that's mental or otherwise, we will probably never know. He is, out of the whole list of EU players, the only questionable one so far. Guys like Virta and Lakatos were simply not good enough. It happens in the 6th and 7th round. That has nothing to do with them wanting to come over. Virta actually wanted to, but we never offered him a contract

Just so we're clear on Zborovsky: He was a NA prospect, as he was drafted out of the WHL

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Bernhardt never signed a contract. He never made it to Connecticut. Like I said, he retired early (2018) due to injuries.

Kovacs had serious attitude issues (Still does). He was projected to be a 1st round pick. Ranked top-10 among EU skaters in his draft year by CS. We picked him in the 3rd round. He was not that different than Sean Day. At some point, you take a gamble. Not going to lose sleep over a 3rd round pick

Lias Andersson is having issues, whether that's mental or otherwise, we will probably never know. He is, out of the whole list of EU players, the only questionable one so far. Guys like Virta and Lakatos were simply not good enough. It happens in the 6th and 7th round. That has nothing to do with them wanting to come over. Virta actually wanted to, but we never offered him a contract

Just so we're clear on Zborovsky: He was a NA prospect, as he was drafted out of the WHL

Apologies, had Bernhardt confused with Malte Stromwall who was not drafted.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Bernhardt never signed a contract. He never made it to Connecticut. Like I said, he retired early (2018) due to injuries.

Kovacs had serious attitude issues (Still does). He was projected to be a 1st round pick. Ranked top-10 among EU skaters in his draft year by CS. We picked him in the 3rd round. He was not that different than Sean Day. At some point, you take a gamble. Not going to lose sleep over a 3rd round pick

Lias Andersson is having issues, whether that's mental or otherwise, we will probably never know. He is, out of the whole list of EU players, the only questionable one so far. Guys like Virta and Lakatos were simply not good enough. It happens in the 6th and 7th round. That has nothing to do with them wanting to come over. Virta actually wanted to, but we never offered him a contract

Just so we're clear on Zborovsky: He was a NA prospect, as he was drafted out of the WHL

You are correct about Zborovskiy.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Apologies, had Bernhardt confused with Malte Stromwall who was not drafted.

Yeah, Stromwall and Lindqvist were no-risk free agent signings. Can't really go wrong with those "gambles"

 

[Joey Bones]

Reunanen was literally in preseason games with the Rangers last fall....

 

[gravey9]

Look at Shestyorkin, staying in Russia for 5 years! Does he even care?

It's a shame we signed Kravtsov to an ELC last year. It would be so much better for his development as a player if his NHL clock hadn't started. He will, unfortunately, have to develop at Hartford or in the NHL when/if we have a normal season again. I'm not convinced we will know what kind of player he will be until he is well into his 2nd or even 3rd contract. And I have my doubts that fans and management will have the patience required to see him reach his full potential. We'll see.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Reunanen was literally in preseason games with the Rangers last fall....

Yeah, maybe he's thinking of Själin?

 

[Nickmo82]

Of the 16 European/Asian players that were drafted between 2015 and 2018...

If you discount the six that are too young to count, that leaves 2 out of 10 or 20%.
I certainly believe that their methods of recommending a player to be drafted should be reassessed.

How many Canadian/American players that the Rangers picked over that time frame are on the NHL roster or have any hope of ever making it?

2015
Ryan Gropp - bust.
Brad Morrison - who?

2016
Sean Day - that's a nope.
Tim Gettinger - cup of coffee. Hartford depth.
Gab Fontaine - Hartford depth.
Tyler Wall - Decent college career. Hartford next year.
Ty Ronning - Everybody got excited briefly, but nope.

2017
Brandon Crawley - Maine.
Morgan Barron - our first possible success story? Too soon to tell.

2018
K'Andre Miller - looks to be a very good pick.
Joey Keane - traded.
Riley Hughes - college

So there are 12 guys there. One has NHL time. One projects to have a good NHL career. One has been traded away. There are a couple (Wall, Barron) that are too soon to tell. The rest are long shots at best at panning out.

Is that any better than our European drafting?

Also, you forgot Adam Huska.