Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 9.1.19)

[EpicDing]

I guess it depends on the circumstances. CHL players are also ineligible for the AHL until the age of 20, unless they are there on loan (Zadina, Sandin etc)

I think the NCAA sees CHL deals as professional contracts, and that invalidates eligibility

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think the NCAA sees CHL deals as professional contracts, and that invalidates eligibility

CHL players get paid.

Not much, but it's more than enough to lose their "amateur" status.

 

[nyr2k2]

He was committed for the 2020-21 season though

Right, it's not uncommon for drafted players to have a commitment that's a year out. They generally play another year of USHL hockey or do a season in Junior A, where they maintain their eligiblity. Like Fogarty, Hughes, or even Kjellberg (Kjellberg didn't have a commitment but his desire was to play somewhere while he found a scholarship).

Nothing wrong with it, just find it interesting. WMU is a decent program that has churned out some solid players. I'm totally fine with him going to London, however, which is a great program.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Right, it's not uncommon for drafted players to have a commitment that's a year out. They generally play another year of USHL hockey or do a season in Junior A, where they maintain their eligiblity. Like Fogarty, Hughes, or even Kjellberg (Kjellberg didn't have a commitment but his desire was to play somewhere while he found a scholarship).

Nothing wrong with it, just find it interesting. WMU is a decent program that has churned out some solid players. I'm totally fine with him going to London, however, which is a great program.

You just had to insert him into the conversation didn't you LOL.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Both guys are or will be AHL eligible no?

This is a great spot for him though.

I could be wrong but I don’t think Bouchard is, he was drafted out of the CHL a year ago, unless there’s some weird birthday grey area rule I’m not aware of, I think it’s NHL or juniors for him

 

[nyr2k2]

I guess it depends on the circumstances. CHL players are also ineligible for the AHL until the age of 20, unless they are there on loan (Zadina, Sandin etc)

The age-20 thing only applies to CHL players who were playing in the CHL when drafted. If you're drafted and then sign up with a CHL team, you can go play at 19 or whatever. You don't have to wait.

It's similar with the European guys. European guys taken in the CHL import draft, they are subject to the age-20 rule. But if you're drafted by the NHL team first you can go anywhere. You can play in the CHL and then go to the AHL before age 20.

The age-20 thing is just so the CHL can protect the guys that they've "called dibs on" from going to the AHL early. But if an NHL team touches them before the CHL team, all bets are off.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I could be wrong but I don’t think Bouchard is, he was drafted out of the CHL a year ago, unless there’s some weird birthday grey area rule I’m not aware of, I think it’s NHL or juniors for him

He turns 20 in October so theoretically he can start the season with the Oilers and then get sent down later if need be?

Or do you have to be 20 before the season starts?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

He turns 20 in October so theoretically he can start the season with the Oilers and then get sent down later if need be?

Or do you have to be 20 before the season starts?

I think it goes by the same age rules that determine draft eligibility, in this case Bouchard’s toward the older end of the scale, but not quite beyond the line to get to the other side

 

[Leetch3]

I have little doubt that the rangers were involved in this decision and skinner didn't just decide to sign on his own. and london has been great for developing dmen...but on the surface I'm not a big fan of this move atleast initial. skinner is a bit of a long term project and seemed like the perfect guy to let go to college and let him bake for 4-5 years and hope for the best. now we have 2 years to make the decision to sign him.

 

[Leetch3]

He turns 20 in October so theoretically he can start the season with the Oilers and then get sent down later if need be?

Or do you have to be 20 before the season starts?

if you turn 20 before 12/31/2019, they consider you a 20 year old this year

 

[cozandeffect]

I think it goes by the same age rules that determine draft eligibility, in this case Bouchard’s toward the older end of the scale, but not quite beyond the line to get to the other side

It actually reverts to birth year. Not a ton of examples but the best I found was Fabbri and Barbashev were both taken by St. Louis out of the CHL in 2014. Barbashev played for Chicago in 2015-16 because he was born in December where Fabbri would've been sent back to Juniors had he not made the team since he's a month younger.

 

[nyr2k2]

I have little doubt that the rangers were involved in this decision and skinner didn't just decide to sign on his own. and london has been great for developing dmen...but on the surface I'm not a big fan of this move atleast initial. skinner is a bit of a long term project and seemed like the perfect guy to let go to college and let him bake for 4-5 years and hope for the best. now we have 2 years to make the decision to sign him.

He did seem like a good NCAA commit--big, physical, some raw offensive abilities. Aspects that would be well-suited to being developed against older, more physically mature players. And, as you said, we now have less time to evaluate him.

But, if the Rangers were cool with it, I'm cool with it.

 

[Leetch3]

He did seem like a good NCAA commit--big, physical, some raw offensive abilities. Aspects that would be well-suited to being developed against older, more physically mature players. And, as you said, we now have less time to evaluate him.

But, if the Rangers were cool with it, I'm cool with it.

yeah i'm not gonna go crazy over it cause i'd be shocked if he didn't consult with the rangers during prospect camp to decide this was the best route for him. and I have limited knowledge of the player but just seemed like an odd move based on what we've heard.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I was wondering who would end up being the annual Ranger draft prospect that they draft and doesn’t receive a contract offer

Looks like 2019’s winner is Hunter Skinner

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I mean I'd probably agree with that, but to make that comment after he signed on to play with arguably the best developmental program in the CHL is weird.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Right, it's not uncommon for drafted players to have a commitment that's a year out. They generally play another year of USHL hockey or do a season in Junior A, where they maintain their eligiblity. Like Fogarty, Hughes, or even Kjellberg (Kjellberg didn't have a commitment but his desire was to play somewhere while he found a scholarship).

Nothing wrong with it, just find it interesting. WMU is a decent program that has churned out some solid players. I'm totally fine with him going to London, however, which is a great program.

I love it. Playing in the OHL >>> USHL. Especially at a crucial age in his development.

 

[Leetch3]

I love it. Playing in the OHL >>> USHL. Especially at a crucial age in his development.

its certainly better for this year...but will it be in 2 years when he turns pro vs staying in school?

 

[Edge]

if you turn 20 before 12/31/2019, they consider you a 20 year old this year

This is what I suspected, but didn’t have time to confirm.

So London is losing quite a bit of experience off the backend this year, I think it’s a great opportunity for Skinner.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

its certainly better for this year...but will it be in 2 years when he turns pro vs staying in school?

Most cases, I'd say that the NCAA would be better for him.

But London is an excellent spot for anyone, especially a D.

 

[nyr2k2]

I love it. Playing in the OHL >>> USHL. Especially at a crucial age in his development.

Sure it's better for this year, but everything about him talks up how he's a raw, project-type player. Those guys, I like going the NCAA route where they have up to four years to develop. Especially big guys like Skinner who are already pushing 6'3" and 180. Play against kids that are 22, 23.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Sure it's better for this year, but everything about him talks up how he's a raw, project-type player. Those guys, I like going the NCAA route where they have up to four years to develop. Especially big guys like Skinner who are already pushing 6'3" and 180. Play against kids that are 22, 23.

I’d be more inclined to agree if he was committed to a better school, but even with a project I’d rather have them play for the Knights than Western Michigan. Plus he could always play an overage year if need be

 

[Joey Bones]

The London Knights have signed Hunter Skinner

I would've preferred the college route, but I'm stoked it was London!!

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Sure it's better for this year, but everything about him talks up how he's a raw, project-type player. Those guys, I like going the NCAA route where they have up to four years to develop. Especially big guys like Skinner who are already pushing 6'3" and 180. Play against kids that are 22, 23.

True, but freshman also dont get a lot of ice time, so basically he's going to get 2 good years of development instead of USHL D+1 and 40 games of limited minutes in D+2. Maybe long term it's better to be NCAA, but I have no problem him going to the OHL on a good developmental team.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Yeah, the fact that it’s London makes a huge difference. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Rangers were involved in this turn of events.

 

[Joey Bones]

I don't really care if NYR lose like 2 or 3 years of development with the kid. He'll have a shot to prove he's worth an ELC and then spend 3 years of development in the AHL. Time to shine!!