Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 9.1.19)

[Hunter Gathers]

Yeah, and some other models simply have the same issue where they can't figure out a proper way to adjust for USHL/USDP players. It's shocking too because he has the USHL and USDP ranked 53rd and 57th, respectively, even way behind like Russia3 tier leagues. It's just an odd result that I'm surprised doesn't make them reconsider something being wrong. Here's the thread of all former and current professional and junior leagues he posted in 2018:

Wow. That's some hilarious hot garbage. Jesus. Looks more like they need to figure out another way to do this as some of that list is utterly absurd.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Exactly, the reason U.S. prospects are playing in "developmental" leagues and not elsewhere is not because they are worse than those non-U.S. prospects playing in professional leagues.

The problem is that we have comparisons based on just points which tips the scale in the favor of NA prospects and comparisons based on quality of opposition which tips the scale in the favor of EU prospects. The truth is somewhere in the middle but no one has figured out a balanced way of comparing the two groups.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Great news for Skinner, more ice time.

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah, and some other models simply have the same issue where they can't figure out a proper way to adjust for USHL/USDP players. It's shocking too because he has the USHL and USDP ranked 53rd and 57th, respectively, even way behind like Russia3 tier leagues. It's just an odd result that I'm surprised doesn't make them reconsider something being wrong. Here's the thread of all former and current professional and junior leagues he posted in 2018:

AHL - 11, lol. Maybe it was meant specifically for HWP?

 

[eco's bones]

I've never been as enthusiastic about the NYR prospect group as I am right now.

Of course, we've never had one this good, but there have been very few picks the last two years from rounds 3-7 that I haven't really liked. We've had terrible drafting output outside the first rounds for the last 15 years, we pretty much struck out on mid round picks from 2009-2016 (Besides Shesty and Buch) but I feel like we've simultaneously made some very good depth picks at the same time as we landed a bunch of highly touted top prospects from the first round and trades.

Guys like Aaltonen, Jones, Keane, and Barron look a lot nicer right now than Jason Wilson, Keegan Iverson, ect. Of course hindsight is 20-20, but I'm optimistic we are going to start to see more NYR non-first-rounders begin to make waves.
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Not only that I think Aaltonen, Jones, Keane and Barron are better late round picks but they're going to be competing with Kakko, Kravtsov, Fox, Chytil, Miller, Lundkvist, Andersson, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Shestyorkin, Georgiev and they're all about the same age. So even these later picks they'll be growing with these other guys and have to push themselves harder to keep up. The competition among our young is going to be insane.

 

[eco's bones]

The problem is that we have comparisons based on just points which tips the scale in the favor of NA prospects and comparisons based on quality of opposition which tips the scale in the favor of EU prospects. The truth is somewhere in the middle but no one has figured out a balanced way of comparing the two groups.

Looking at both Lundkvist and Miller for an example--I think both are excelling at pretty much the highest level players their age in their respective countries can play at. Nils is more experienced for his position--Miller's got fabulous size and tools but kind of is still working on his position because he switched over from forward a few years ago. I think K'Andre has the higher upside--he's got the same size and tools that Seth Jones has but Nils could sneak up on people. For d-men I like to see some production stats but they're no be all and end all. Sergei Zubov was a 5th round pick and was seen as a stay at home defenseman for the Russian Olympic team the season before he signed with the Rangers and then his game exploded so I wouldn't count Nils out--he's been growing too--it's just a bit more under the radar but he's also playing in a higher level league.

 

[ohbaby]

Hi, I posted this as a dedicated thread to Shestyorkin and it was promptly closed. Are we no longer allowed to make threads dedicated to one player? Do they need to play one game first? I'm very surprised by this action. This guy is our netminder for years to come. He might be a rookie for us, but he has been a professional standout in the KHL for years. The Rangers signed him this summer and you can bet they will get him going as soon as possible.

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Has everyone seen his numbers in the KHL the last three years....

In the last three seasons, he’s been lights out. Shestyorkin helped lead SKA to a Gagarin Cup in 2016-17, as well as the Kontinental Cup in 2017-18. In total, he’s played in 95 regular-season games with a record of 71-12-10, 1.43 GAA, .940 SV%, and 25 shutouts.

These numbers are phenomenal no matter what league they were produced. And the KHL is considered the 2nd best league in the world.

Does anyone remember when Hank first arrived on the scene? It was after the lockout season and Kevin Weeks was our starting goalie. Shortly after a bad night, Hank came in and never came out. Never relinquished the starting role in net. I see a very similar scenario happening this year with the Rangers netminders. Shestyorkin starts in Hartford, to get used to the smaller ice rink, with Hank possibly having a good start to the season. But we all know Hank will throw in some terrible clunkers now and then. It seems when things go bad for Hank it goes really bad. He has been letting a bad goal upset him to the point where he doesn't recover and it only gets worse as the game goes on. There will be plenty of opportunities for Shestyorkin to move in and grab Hank's job. And I believe it will be sooner rather than later. Maybe midseason. And with Benoit Allaire coaching this kid (he'll be 24 in Dec.) there's no telling how good he will be,... based on what he has already accomplished.

Move over King, the Prince of Russia has arrived.

The Rangers signed him this summer and are ready to cash in on their steal of the century. The Rangers will put the best goalie in net. Welcome the backstop of the future, a lot sooner than you think.

Of all the outstanding prospects and rookies this team has, no one will have a bigger impact.

 

[nyr2k2]

Hi, I posted this as a dedicated thread to Shestyorkin and it was promptly closed. Are we no longer allowed to make threads dedicated to one player? Do they need to play one game first? I'm very surprised by this action. This guy is our netminder for years to come. He might be a rookie for us, but he has been a professional standout in the KHL for years. The Rangers signed him this summer and you can bet they will get him going as soon as possible.

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Has everyone seen his numbers in the KHL the last three years....

In the last three seasons, he’s been lights out. Shestyorkin helped lead SKA to a Gagarin Cup in 2016-17, as well as the Kontinental Cup in 2017-18. In total, he’s played in 95 regular-season games with a record of 71-12-10, 1.43 GAA, .940 SV%, and 25 shutouts.

These numbers are phenomenal no matter what league they were produced. And the KHL is considered the 2nd best league in the world.

Does anyone remember when Hank first arrived on the scene? It was after the lockout season and Kevin Weeks was our starting goalie. Shortly after a bad night, Hank came in and never came out. Never relinquished the starting role in net. I see a very similar scenario happening this year with the Rangers netminders. Shestyorkin starts in Hartford, to get used to the smaller ice rink, with Hank possibly having a good start to the season. But we all know Hank will throw in some terrible clunkers now and then. It seems when things go bad for Hank it goes really bad. He has been letting a bad goal upset him to the point where he doesn't recover and it only gets worse as the game goes on. There will be plenty of opportunities for Shestyorkin to move in and grab Hank's job. And I believe it will be sooner rather than later. Maybe midseason. And with Benoit Allaire coaching this kid (he'll be 24 in Dec.) there's no telling how good he will be,... based on what he has already accomplished.

Move over King, the Prince of Russia has arrived.

The Rangers signed him this summer and are ready to cash in on their steal of the century. The Rangers will put the best goalie in net. Welcome the backstop of the future, a lot sooner than you think.

Of all the outstanding prospects and rookies this team has, no one will have a bigger impact.

Yeah he's really good. He's probably the top goaltending prospect in the world. There is a thread for him where we discussed him all year, as we have been doing since he was drafted.

It seems unlikely that he will usurp Lundqvist this year unless Henke looks washed up. There's no guarantee Shesterkin even starts or sticks in the NHL, given that Georgiev is here and has looked fantastic at times.

EDIT: Here's the most recent Shesterkin thread just so you can see that we are aware of who he is and what he has done.

Prospect Info: - 2014 NHL Draft / Pick #118 - Igor Shestyorkin (G) - Part III

 

[Fitzy]

Who forgot to tell us about this potential star goaltender?

I thought that it was weird that we were just voting in a blank space at a random spot in the top 5 prospect rankings the past 3 years.

 

[eco's bones]

Hi, I posted this as a dedicated thread to Shestyorkin and it was promptly closed. Are we no longer allowed to make threads dedicated to one player? Do they need to play one game first? I'm very surprised by this action. This guy is our netminder for years to come. He might be a rookie for us, but he has been a professional standout in the KHL for years. The Rangers signed him this summer and you can bet they will get him going as soon as possible.

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Has everyone seen his numbers in the KHL the last three years....

In the last three seasons, he’s been lights out. Shestyorkin helped lead SKA to a Gagarin Cup in 2016-17, as well as the Kontinental Cup in 2017-18. In total, he’s played in 95 regular-season games with a record of 71-12-10, 1.43 GAA, .940 SV%, and 25 shutouts.

These numbers are phenomenal no matter what league they were produced. And the KHL is considered the 2nd best league in the world.

Does anyone remember when Hank first arrived on the scene? It was after the lockout season and Kevin Weeks was our starting goalie. Shortly after a bad night, Hank came in and never came out. Never relinquished the starting role in net. I see a very similar scenario happening this year with the Rangers netminders. Shestyorkin starts in Hartford, to get used to the smaller ice rink, with Hank possibly having a good start to the season. But we all know Hank will throw in some terrible clunkers now and then. It seems when things go bad for Hank it goes really bad. He has been letting a bad goal upset him to the point where he doesn't recover and it only gets worse as the game goes on. There will be plenty of opportunities for Shestyorkin to move in and grab Hank's job. And I believe it will be sooner rather than later. Maybe midseason. And with Benoit Allaire coaching this kid (he'll be 24 in Dec.) there's no telling how good he will be,... based on what he has already accomplished.

Move over King, the Prince of Russia has arrived.

The Rangers signed him this summer and are ready to cash in on their steal of the century. The Rangers will put the best goalie in net. Welcome the backstop of the future, a lot sooner than you think.

Of all the outstanding prospects and rookies this team has, no one will have a bigger impact.

SKA has also been one of the best teams in the KHL for a long time and it matters. Look Igor is a great prospect but I think it's best to dial it down a bit. On a tough night he faced 25 shots or so because his team has been really good. The past couple seasons Rangers goalies routinely face 40 shots or more a night. Igor hasn't face the prospect of getting shelled game after game--so I don't know. I'd like to see first. The Rangers bringing in Trouba should help quite a bit but IMO it's still probably going to be pretty leaky. I do think Igor's got a legit shot at making the team out of camp--at the least he should get some NHL games this year but it's not a sure thing at all. Henrik is going to be one of our goalies and Georgiev was our best goalie in the second half and absolutely stole some games we had no business winning and Alex and Igor are the same age. My guess actually is that Alex beats him out. Alex is legit. One last thing Igor has been the 1A goalie with SKA the past two/three years not the 1--he's usually split games kind of evenly with his partner but when the playoffs roll around he's tended to be the backup.

 

[Don Chytil]

Move over King, the Prince of Russia has arrived.

Czar Igor*

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[Tawnos]

so we have the #1 prospect pool according to EP, NHL network, and, most importantly, HFboards. Noice.

EDIT: THN, too

Sporting News too.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

The new LoHud/Record beat reporter's ranking of the top 20:

New York Rangers have the best prospect pool in the NHL — here's how they rank

 

[nyr2k2]

The new LoHud/Record beat reporter's ranking of the top 20:

New York Rangers have the best prospect pool in the NHL — here's how they rank

IDK about Elmer and Jones. First, Jones isn't even technically property of the Rangers, so I don't know how he'd make any list. And Elmer, while I am intrigued by him, was like a mid-tier UDFA signing at best. I'd sooner go with a Gettinger, Ragnarsson, or Sjalin than Elmer.

Otherwise it seems reasonable.

 

[kovazub94]

IDK about Elmer and Jones. First, Jones isn't even technically property of the Rangers, so I don't know how he'd make any list. And Elmer, while I am intrigued by him, was like a mid-tier UDFA signing at best. I'd sooner go with a Gettinger, Ragnarsson, or Sjalin than Elmer.

Otherwise it seems reasonable.

Same. Otherwise I like that Hajek and Rykov were ranked next to each other. I'd personally put Reunanen right next to them, thus pushing either Barron or Robertson just outside the top-10. But that would be nitpicking.

 

[ohbaby]

Who forgot to tell us about this potential star goaltender?

Very funny. Not.

Totally missing the point. Rangers have been waiting patiently for three years for his contract to expire. He is no longer a prospect. He is now a NY Ranger and things will now move quickly.

 

[kovazub94]

Very funny. Not.

Totally missing the point. Rangers have been waiting patiently for three years for his contract to expire. He is no longer a prospect. He is now a NY Ranger and things will now move quickly.

Well, Lundqvist is not Kevin Weekes (with all due respect to the later) and in 2005 there was no equivalent of Georgiev on the Rangers roster. These two factors could delay Shesterkin's ascension, quite possibly by a whole year.

 

[ohbaby]

SKA has also been one of the best teams in the KHL for a long time

True. But from what I heard, it was due to their explosive offence. They ran up the score on opponents. It was not due to their defense. Anyway you cut it, a 1.43 GAA for the last 95 games is awesome. The kid will turn 24 in December. He only needs a month or so down in Hartford to get used to the smaller rink and learn some English. Hank is on his way out. We have seen the writing on the wall the last two years. He practically lost his job to Georgiev the second half of last season.

And don't forget, we have the best goalie coach in the world in Benoit Allaire. There is no way this kid can fail, or even not be outstanding. Every time a goalie comes here they improve under his wing. All goalies give him the highest praise.

 

[ohbaby]

Well, Lundqvist is not Kevin Weekes (with all due respect to the later) and in 2005 there was no equivalent of Georgiev on the Rangers roster. These two factors could delay Shesterkin's ascension, quite possibly by a whole year.

I believe things will move a bit quicker. At some point this season he will grab the opportunity given him, and will not let go. Just like Hank did back in 2005. That's my opinion.

And there is no doubt the Rangers will give him that opportunity.

 

[cwede]

...there is no doubt the Rangers will give him that opportunity.

but will Georgie?

anyway, IMHO this season is the LEAST important one of Shesty's career in terms of expectations or future impact
i am good with him sliding between NHL and AHL, getting ~dozen NHL games, while multiples of that in the A
(FYI, as NA rookie pro, Vasilesky played 25 in AHL, 16 in NHL)

 

[bobbop]

Hi, I posted this as a dedicated thread to Shestyorkin and it was promptly closed. Are we no longer allowed to make threads dedicated to one player? Do they need to play one game first? I'm very surprised by this action. This guy is our netminder for years to come. He might be a rookie for us, but he has been a professional standout in the KHL for years. The Rangers signed him this summer and you can bet they will get him going as soon as possible.

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Has everyone seen his numbers in the KHL the last three years....

In the last three seasons, he’s been lights out. Shestyorkin helped lead SKA to a Gagarin Cup in 2016-17, as well as the Kontinental Cup in 2017-18. In total, he’s played in 95 regular-season games with a record of 71-12-10, 1.43 GAA, .940 SV%, and 25 shutouts.

These numbers are phenomenal no matter what league they were produced. And the KHL is considered the 2nd best league in the world.

Does anyone remember when Hank first arrived on the scene? It was after the lockout season and Kevin Weeks was our starting goalie. Shortly after a bad night, Hank came in and never came out. Never relinquished the starting role in net. I see a very similar scenario happening this year with the Rangers netminders. Shestyorkin starts in Hartford, to get used to the smaller ice rink, with Hank possibly having a good start to the season. But we all know Hank will throw in some terrible clunkers now and then. It seems when things go bad for Hank it goes really bad. He has been letting a bad goal upset him to the point where he doesn't recover and it only gets worse as the game goes on. There will be plenty of opportunities for Shestyorkin to move in and grab Hank's job. And I believe it will be sooner rather than later. Maybe midseason. And with Benoit Allaire coaching this kid (he'll be 24 in Dec.) there's no telling how good he will be,... based on what he has already accomplished.

Move over King, the Prince of Russia has arrived.

The Rangers signed him this summer and are ready to cash in on their steal of the century. The Rangers will put the best goalie in net. Welcome the backstop of the future, a lot sooner than you think.

Of all the outstanding prospects and rookies this team has, no one will have a bigger impact.

You're a year late...we already have a Prince on staff.

 

[ohbaby]

but will Georgie?

Hey I like Georgie. I think he was great last year. And I love how goals never bother him. He shrugs them off like I have never seen a goalie do. Guess I'm used to Hank breaking his stick against the post.

Anyway, you're right. The Rangers are in a great situation in net this year. With both Georgie and the Prince being able to shuffle back and forth from Hartford, we can't possibly have better options. But something tells me the Prince is the real deal. This guy is no rookie, no 18 year old, and has had great success already against the big boys the last few years. And with Benoit Allaire, he will only get better.

 

[eco's bones]

True. But from what I heard, it was due to their explosive offence. They ran up the score on opponents. It was not due to their defense. Anyway you cut it, a 1.43 GAA for the last 95 games is awesome. The kid will turn 24 in December. He only needs a month or so down in Hartford to get used to the smaller rink and learn some English. Hank is on his way out. We have seen the writing on the wall the last two years. He practically lost his job to Georgiev the second half of last season.

And don't forget, we have the best goalie coach in the world in Benoit Allaire. There is no way this kid can fail, or even not be outstanding. Every time a goalie comes here they improve under his wing. All goalies give him the highest praise.

The KHL is a funny league. There isn't a whole lot of parity. There's 7 or 8 really good teams and SKA is almost always one of them. There's at least 7 or 8 really lousy teams and by lousy I mean they don't even have nearly as good a chance to beat the Capitals as the Senators did last year. Shestyorkin in 28 games saw 656 shots--that averages out to 23. 5 a game. Georgiev faced 1057 shots in 33 games. 5 more games played by Georgiev at the NHL level than Igor at the KHL level and Alex faced 400 more shots. That averages out to about 32 though. NHL shooters tend to be much better than KHL shooters and KHL hockey is played more like a chess match than NHL hockey where goalies are constantly being crowded in front of their net. Maybe Igor picks this stuff up really fast and maybe he doesn't.

Should be kept in mind too that Alex flat out stole some games the Rangers had no business winning. His birthday game against the Maple Leafs was one of them. A young goalie who has the ability to steal games against far superior competition. He's all business when he plays. Excellent technique and does not give rattled very easily. Igor very well could become an elite goalie but I also think Alex might become one too. They're the same age. To me they're even right now---and before the season is out I wouldn't be shocked at all if both have surpassed Henrik.....I don't think Henrik is going anywhere though. Even so a good problem to have but if the Rangers decided to move on from Alex--they should get a 1st and that's no joke. I would not trade him cheap. I think he's going to be a seriously good goalie.

 

[ohbaby]

The KHL is a funny league. There isn't a whole lot of parity. There's 7 or 8 really good teams and SKA is almost always one of them. There's at least 7 or 8 really lousy teams and by lousy I mean they don't even have nearly as good a chance to beat the Capitals as the Senators did last year. Shestyorkin in 28 games saw 656 shots--that averages out to 23. 5 a game. Georgiev faced 1057 shots in 33 games. 5 more games played by Georgiev at the NHL level than Igor at the KHL level and Alex faced 400 more shots. That averages out to about 32 though. NHL shooters tend to be much better than KHL shooters and KHL hockey is played more like a chess match than NHL hockey where goalies are constantly being crowded in front of their net. Maybe Igor picks this stuff up really fast and maybe he doesn't.

Should be kept in mind too that Alex flat out stole some games the Rangers had no business winning. His birthday game against the Maple Leafs was one of them. A young goalie who has the ability to steal games against far superior competition. He's all business when he plays. Excellent technique and does not give rattled very easily. Igor very well could become an elite goalie but I also think Alex might become one too. They're the same age. To me they're even right now---and before the season is out I wouldn't be shocked at all if both have surpassed Henrik.....I don't think Henrik is going anywhere though. Even so a good problem to have but if the Rangers decided to move on from Alex--they should get a 1st and that's no joke. I would not trade him cheap. I think he's going to be a seriously good goalie.

Like I said earlier, I like Georgie. He played well last year. I just think Igor might be even better. Which is no small feat. And with him now under Benoit's care, (and that should not be taken lightly) he will only improve. Georgie has already benefitted from Allaire. I also think you put too much emphasis's on how many shots a goalie has faced. NHL teams averaged 31 SOG last year. You're making too much of an extra 8 shots per game. The NHL game is different. With more skilled players and more parity, the game has become simpler in scope. Take lots of shots and look for tips or rebounds with traffic in front. So the increase in shots in the NHL are not generally top quality chances. They are not odd man rushes or the like.

But I get your point that Georgie might become a stellar goalie. And he might have to be. Our blueline looks very weak this year. Trouba and Fox are not known for their defensive awareness. And the rest from last year other than Staal did not play well in their end. We might need a goalie to stand on their head. And that just might be Igor. And possibly Georgie too.