Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 5.24.21)

[bl02]

Robertson up to 1+3 tonight and is also +4. For the year he is 2-10-12 in 10 games and is +15.

Wow flying under the radar for sure. Would be really amazing to have Robertson/Miller patrol the Left side with the size and reach they have. And now with the Ascent of Jones you could have the making of a real nice mix of size and IQ/Skill on the defense.
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Robertson-Nils
Most likely all 8 won't be here but you have a tremendous mix of skill/size/IQ if Robertson/Jones turn out to be contributors.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Wow flying under the radar for sure. Would be really amazing to have Robertson/Miller patrol the Left side with the size and reach they have. And now with the Ascent of Jones you could have the making of a real nice mix of size and IQ/Skill on the defense.
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Robertson-Nils
Most likely all 8 won't be here but you have a tremendous mix of skill/size/IQ if Robertson/Jones turn out to be contributors.

We have to have the deepest D prospect pool/young players in the league. Plus, Chytil, Kakko, Laf, and Igor. I just wish Panarin and Mika were a couple of years younger and the salary cap didn't exist.

 

[Harbour Dog]

We have to have the deepest D prospect pool/young players in the league. Plus, Chytil, Kakko, Laf, and Igor. I just wish Panarin and Mika were a couple of years younger and the salary cap didn't exist.

I will never wish for the salary cap to be removed! Too many bad memories of failed attempts at buying cups.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I will never wish for the salary cap to be removed! Too many bad memories of failed attempts at buying cups.

Yeah but it's a double edged sword. Only high priced UFA that we have is Panarin.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Yeah but it's a double edged sword. Only high priced UFA that we have is Panarin.

Fine by me haha

As soon as the salary cap came into effect, our GMs started making better decisions instead of just signing whatever retirement contracts they could. As soon as the cap would be removed, Gorton would lose his f***ing mind, and call Bobby Holik to see if he wanted a huge contract to come be player coach for us.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Fine by me haha

As soon as the salary cap came into effect, our GMs started making better decisions instead of just signing whatever retirement contracts they could. As soon as the cap would be removed, Gorton would lose his f***ing mind, and call Bobby Holik to see if he wanted a huge contract to come be player coach for us.

Yeah, I didn't say that clearly. I meant I'm not concerned about not getting high priced UFAs, I'm concerned about keeping guys we drafted or traded for.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know that Robertson has been a year ahead but who has impressed you more him or Schneider?

They're roughly at the same point on their timeline despite being from different drafts. Their first full WHL seasons were 2017-18. Schneider, as an early birthday, was eligible for the same rookie season. I think Schneider is better than Robertson regardless of age though.

 

[bl02]

I will never wish for the salary cap to be removed! Too many bad memories of failed attempts at buying cups.

Definitely see both sides for sure.
Maybe the league will institute the Larry Bird exception?
Those players signed pushing a team over the cap would have to fit certain criteria.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Definitely see both sides for sure.
Maybe the league will institute the Larry Bird exception?
Those players signed pushing a team over the cap would have to fit certain criteria.

Just introduce a cap hit discount for players drafted by the team. That way you reward building through the draft, and it incentivizes players to stay with their team.

 

[nyr2k2]

I know that Robertson has been a year ahead but who has impressed you more him or Schneider?

I've watched him more, but Robertson just looks so completely in command of the game. At both ends he's just so calm and composed and better than 95% of the other guys out there. There's no panic to his game at all. So steady, so smart, always in position, moves well. He a joy to watch. And he really likes to get the puck on net and has a knack for getting his shots through traffic, not unlike DeAngelo did where his shots weren't always cannons but they had a lot of precision.

Schneider may make more of an impact because he's kind of like Trouba, good defensively, physical, can really lay a guy out, and he has emerging offense. Hopefully he learns to fire his cannon at the goal better than Trouba but I think they're somewhat similar stylistically.

They're a nice complement to each other honestly.

 

[cwede]

anyone else do a double take seeing this?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

anyone else do a double take seeing this?

Stan Bowman is the undisputed king of trading for former players:

Brian Campbell, Daniel Carcillo Adam Clendening, Vinnie Hinostroza, Nikolai Khabibulin, Marcus Kruger, Andrew Ladd, Jeremy Morin, Johnny Oduya, Brandon Pirri, Brandon Saad, Patrick Sharp, Andrew Shaw, Kris Versteeg (twice)

 

[cwede]

anyone else do a double take seeing this?

Stan Bowman is the undisputed king of trading for former players:

Brian Campbell, Daniel Carcillo Adam Clendening, Vinnie Hinostroza, Nikolai Khabibulin, Marcus Kruger, Andrew Ladd, Jeremy Morin, Johnny Oduya, Brandon Pirri, Brandon Saad, Patrick Sharp, Andrew Shaw, Kris Versteeg (twice)

But would Gorton reaquire failed draft pick Brad Morrison...

My understandung is Fla also got a pick, Morrison included as a swap of contracts

NOTE:actually seems no pick was involved, had seen that right after announced, in a tweet or post, but seems not true

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

looks like someone nailed their assessment

I mean... I didn't want to be the one to post it.

 

[Fitzy]

Wow flying under the radar for sure. Would be really amazing to have Robertson/Miller patrol the Left side with the size and reach they have. And now with the Ascent of Jones you could have the making of a real nice mix of size and IQ/Skill on the defense.
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Robertson-Nils
Most likely all 8 won't be here but you have a tremendous mix of skill/size/IQ if Robertson/Jones turn out to be contributors.

Begging the question why are we so much better at drafting defenseman than forwards over the past 20 years.

 

[jay from jersey]

Begging the question why are we so much better at drafting defenseman than forwards over the past 20 years.

That’s not even taking skinner into account who I think could be an excellent 3rd pair guy as well. Future is bright on the blue line for sure. Especially when we add Owen power this year too....... Hf explodes

 

[kovazub94]

Begging the question why are we so much better at drafting defenseman than forwards over the past 20 years.

Interesting. Maybe it has to do with the fact that top-10 selections typically go forwards thus leaving quality defensive prospects to pick in the teens and 20’s - where the Rangers made their picks in that period. It also applicable to making picks in the 2/3 rounds but to a lesser degree and more room for busts.

 

[gravey9]

Has anyone seen Robertson play this year? Do they have an updated scouting report?

What I'm most curious about is his mobility/agility. He's a big dude and a key to him translating to the NHL is going to be about his agility, his hips and his edgework and his overall defensive positioning. Meaning, will his defensive abilities translate to the NHL? Out of all our highly touted D prospects, he's the one who seems to have the least amount of exposure.

Thoughts anyone?

EDIT: I must have missed the post above. But I guess if anyone can talk to how he might translate from a defensive standpoint that'd be interesting. I mean if he could turn into a big bodied stay at home D that steadies the bottom 6 but can move up to top 4 that would be ideal

 

[eco's bones]

But would Gorton reaquire failed draft pick Brad Morrison...

My understandung is Fla also got a pick, Morrison included as a swap of contracts

NOTE:actually seems no pick was involved, had seen that right after announced, in a tweet or post, but seems not true

I remember reading somewhere that Morrison was in the autistic spectrum—maybe it was Asperger’s but it’s a good reason to root for him.

 

[nyr2k2]

I remember reading somewhere that Morrison was in the autistic spectrum—maybe it was Asperger’s but it’s a good reason to root for him.

Correct, ADHD and Asperger's.

It's kind of crazy, he's an AHL/ECHL tweener and yet he's been traded straight up, twice, for NHL players--first for Olli Maatta and now Vince Hinostroza.

 

[nyr2k2]

Has anyone seen Robertson play this year? Do they have an updated scouting report?

What I'm most curious about is his mobility/agility. He's a big dude and a key to him translating to the NHL is going to be about his agility, his hips and his edgework and his overall defensive positioning. Meaning, will his defensive abilities translate to the NHL? Out of all our highly touted D prospects, he's the one who seems to have the least amount of exposure.

Thoughts anyone?

EDIT: I must have missed the post above. But I guess if anyone can talk to how he might translate from a defensive standpoint that'd be interesting. I mean if he could turn into a big bodied stay at home D that steadies the bottom 6 but can move up to top 4 that would be ideal

I'll add to what I said earlier--I'd call him a powerful skater. His acceleration is very good, his top-end speed is probably above-average for an NHL player, and he cuts and pivots around pretty well. He's very smart and almost always in position defensively. When he does get the puck on his stick, at the WHL level he can definitely be a catalyst in leading a rush, though I would expect less on that in the NHL and more of an approach like you see from Ryan Lindgren, where the focus is on making a good, crisp first pass or making a clever, safe play to get the puck out of the zone. He has a solid slapper and a very good wrister which as I mentioned earlier he's good at getting through traffic.

I definitely think he profiles as a 3 or 4. Not huge offensive output but a guy who could do 10-30 in a peak season and more like 5-25 in an average season, depending on his usage. But very, very good defensively because of the aforementioned mobility and smarts.

 

[nyr2k2]

Rempe played last night, wore an A. Good for him.

He doesn't even look like a particularly good WHL player IMO. I mean I get that's he's big and raw, but man, he's a JAG out there which isn't super encouraging.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Rempe played last night, wore an A. Good for him.

He doesn't even look like a particularly good WHL player IMO. I mean I get that's he's big and raw, but man, he's a JAG out there which isn't super encouraging.

Yeah, I never understood the pick. And I say that as someone who watches the Thunderbirds every week. I didn't expect him to be drafted, at all.

 

[The New Russian Five]

Begging the question why are we so much better at drafting defenseman than forwards over the past 20 years.

I'm not sure that is even that fair of an assessment. Outside of Miller on the current team, the rangers haven't exactly stood out in drafting D either. Don't forget that Fox and Lindgren were not rangers picks. Girardi was never drafted. McD wasn't a rangers pick. Before 2018 the only guy the rangers drafted that made an impact for us at D was Staal.

So in essence it has only been Staal and Miller who have proven anything at this point, and with Miller it's still early to say that he has stood out, though we all see the potential there.

 

[Fitzy]

I'm not sure that is even that fair of an assessment. Outside of Miller on the current team, the rangers haven't exactly stood out in drafting D either. Don't forget that Fox and Lindgren were not rangers picks. Girardi was never drafted. McD wasn't a rangers pick. Before 2018 the only guy the rangers drafted that made an impact for us at D was Staal.

So in essence it has only been Staal and Miller who have proven anything at this point, and with Miller it's still early to say that he has stood out, though we all see the potential there.

I suppose the problem with my post is I said 'drafting' rather than developing.

Well so the first point here is that developing a kid isn't precisely the same as drafting them. Trading for a kid while they are still a prospect should be considered developing them, if we see something in them the team trading them did not.

In that sense, McDonagh, Lindgren, Hajek, John Moore have all been developed by the rangers. Girardi was absolutely developed by us, by being the first team to reach out and see his potential. Neal Pionk and Matt Gilroy were also developed by us, though a number of teams were vying for their services. They improved as Rangers players.

Then you throw in Sauer and Del Zotto, who both absolutely made an impact for the NY Rangers, just had their careers here shortened for two distinct reasons. It's unquestionably a better track record than at forward unless you limit development purely to drafted-to-veteran Rangers tracks. Admittedly, I used drafting as a shorthand, but I kind of meant to say it seems as though we've seen more successful prospect to NHL regular transitions at D than at forward, despite the fact that only 33% of NHL skating positions are on the blueline.