Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 5.24.21)

[gravey9]

Yeah I just think draft capital and cap space allocation is so much better used on your skaters.

All the same, in Hank's case, I think there was a lot more mismanaging with the team around him than giving him that contract, imo.

Well, I'm not necessarily comparing the Hank era with the new era. That team was constructed differently because our star player WAS Hank and really that was it. It was a fun team, a good team with tons of good players but nothing elite. So, paying Hank was justified I think.

But with Laf, Kakko, Panarin, Chytil, Miller, Lundkvist, Fox, Zib (or another top 6 C), Trouba, Kreider -- I don't think you can pay your goalie over 6.5-7m. I don't think that's gonna work.

 

[True Blue]

I wouldn't be against drafting Wallstedt. But I think we have to focus some of our efforts on building a playoff contender starting next season. I'd love to see what we can do about building center depth. We have so much young talent, it's the first year I'd be willing to move that 1st rounder if we can find a very strong top 9 center whose under 25 or younger.

I don’t disagree. But the chances of building meaningful depth at center may well need to wait for next year draft.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Compounding the issue is that most of the draft eligible players are barely playing any hockey this years makes this upcoming draft a total crapshoot. I think the trade value of the picks outside the top 10 is going to be at an all-time low in the cap era.

And how the heck will teams make assessments of kids after the first or second round??? It's a major challenge. I think the 2021 draft ought to be pushed until Dec 2021.

The league's been debating that I believe. Like basically having back to back drafts. Gonna be really intriguing if that happens. Just not enough hockey played for sure, impossible to get a read.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Well, I'm not necessarily comparing the Hank era with the new era. That team was constructed differently because our star player WAS Hank and really that was it. It was a fun team, a good team with tons of good players but nothing elite. So, paying Hank was justified I think.

But with Laf, Kakko, Panarin, Chytil, Miller, Lundkvist, Fox, Zib (or another top 6 C), Trouba, Kreider -- I don't think you can pay your goalie over 6.5-7m. I don't think that's gonna work.

Agree completely. If they can get Igor on a sweeter deal at around 5M then that saves some trouble. If he asks for 7+, then I would look into moving him. Can't afford to do it.

Just don't know if I trust this team to make the right decision after the Hank experience...

 

[gravey9]

I don’t disagree. But the chances of building meaningful depth at center may well need to wait for next year draft.

Well, i mean, meaningful depth is a tricky thought for sure. I guess we have two issues at center. 3-4 NHL centers that the team feels good about in the playoffs. Guys that might be here for 4-5 years or something. That's sorta the baseline, not really necessarily depth. At the moment, we don't know if we even have that. Chytil, Zib?, Strome? That's likely not our top 9 during our contention window. So that's the first piece. When is that attainable? hopefully we are focused on addressing that as we speak and over the next 16 months. Not sure if this done through draft or, more likely, trades.

Second piece is building up organization depth. Having more depth in the pipeline. That's the piece that may take multiple drafts and many minor moves to accumulate. And that could take several years. Our pipeline at C is non-existent.

So, yeah -- I don't disagree with your timeline, but my guess is we have to address the C thing mostly outside the draft. But also making some shrewd picks. But chances are pretty low that we'll draft a top 9 center in the next draft or two that will be ready to make an impact within 2 seasons.

 

[eco's bones]

Agree completely. If they can get Igor on a sweeter deal at around 5M then that saves some trouble. If he asks for 7+, then I would look into moving him. Can't afford to do it.

Just don't know if I trust this team to make the right decision after the Hank experience...

If you're talking Igor's next contract--$5 mil is too much. He looks to be an excellent future goalie but he also hasn't pitched his first shutout yet. I would expect he'd also have to get us into playoffs before I even thought about that number. I'd give him more than Alex but not $5 mil.

 

[kovazub94]

If you're talking Igor's next contract--$5 mil is too much. He looks to be an excellent future goalie but he also hasn't pitched his first shutout yet. I would expect he'd also have to get us into playoffs before I even thought about that number. I'd give him more than Alex but not $5 mil.

Depends on a length of a contract too, no? Let’s say we’re talking 6-year deal.

 

[eco's bones]

Depends on a length of a contract too, no? Let’s say we’re talking 6-year deal.

The longer the contract the more money. 6 years for $5 might be okay. I wouldn't want to go more than that. He's proven he's a good NHL goalie. A couple things we haven't seen is how many games he can play in any given year (and we're not going to find out this year with the shortened season) and whether or not he can carry a team to the playoffs. So far though he's won 17 NHL games and lost 9. That's really good but it's not like there is a a big track record to go on.

 

[Joey Bones]

.... So how are our prospects doing? Lolol

Could we bring the Wallstedt discussion in the draft thread?

 

[True Blue]

So, yeah -- I don't disagree with your timeline, but my guess is we have to address the C thing mostly outside the draft. But also making some shrewd picks. But chances are pretty low that we'll draft a top 9 center in the next draft or two that will be ready to make an impact within 2 seasons.

The odd thing is that you are more likely to find a center in the 2022 draft that will be able to help sooner than any other not named Beneirs in the 2021 draft. And even he is no less than 3 years away, IMO.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[nyr2k2]

He was actually the fight that instigated the whole thing. There was a lot of shoving and then he finally squared up with a guy and then knocked him down to the ice. Unfortunately, in my opinion, he also crushed the guy with a big right while he was fully standing and the other guy was still on his knees, which is a chicken shit move IMO, and is probably what caused the other players to go berserk. If I was the ECHL I would suspend him for that. Also, the guy he fought was not a fighter by any means. IDK what started it all but I don't like how he handled that.

EDIT: Starts around 4:20.

 

[Kords]

He was actually the fight that instigated the whole thing. There was a lot of shoving and then he finally squared up with a guy and then knocked him down to the ice. Unfortunately, in my opinion, he also crushed the guy with a big right while he was fully standing and the other guy was still on his knees, which is a chicken shit move IMO, and is probably what caused the other players to go berserk. If I was the ECHL I would suspend him for that. Also, the guy he fought was not a fighter by any means. IDK what started it all but I don't like how he handled that.

EDIT: Starts around 4:20.

Love the commentary

 

[E-Train]

No big deal. Skinner was standing and taking with the dude he just fought. Good to see some scraps on the lower levels.

Really like that he’s putting up points in a pro league at age 19. In the old days there’d be a lot of hopes on a prospect like this. Now just an afterthought.

 

[GAGLine]

He was actually the fight that instigated the whole thing. There was a lot of shoving and then he finally squared up with a guy and then knocked him down to the ice. Unfortunately, in my opinion, he also crushed the guy with a big right while he was fully standing and the other guy was still on his knees, which is a chicken shit move IMO, and is probably what caused the other players to go berserk. If I was the ECHL I would suspend him for that. Also, the guy he fought was not a fighter by any means. IDK what started it all but I don't like how he handled that.

EDIT: Starts around 4:20.

I didn't see it that way. Both players were down on the ice and battling. Skinner got to his feet first and hit him. In that moment, I don't think anyone would have waited for the other guy to regain his feet before punching him.

If anything, what Brassard did was worse. He nailed Carr, Carr went down, and Brassard threw like 6 more punches while he was down.

 

[nyr2k2]

I didn't see it that way. Both players were down on the ice and battling. Skinner got to his feet first and hit him. In that moment, I don't think anyone would have waited for the other guy to regain his feet before punching him.

If anything, what Brassard did was worse. He nailed Carr, Carr went down, and Brassard threw like 6 more punches while he was down.

He's fighting a guy who to my my knowledge has never before fought. Nothing wrong with that, but just consider his opponent. He cleans his clock immediately and falls on top of him. He gets up to his feet, and while the other guy has barely gotten to his knees, crushes him with another right. IMO, that's a shit move. You're not fighting another guy who has any idea what he's doing, you clearly have the upper hand, and you clock him while he's on his knees. It's not MMA.

Yeah, the other guy throwing rabbit punches at guys on the bottom of the pile is worse, but I don't know who that is or really care about what happens to him.

 

[Fitzy]

I've got a bigger issue with the punches when the guy was flat out on the ice, than clocking him when he was on his knees.

He was vulnerable but that was a split second decision, not a lot of time to process the situation. Hitting a guy once he's flat out on the ice multiple times however, is no bueno.

 

[eco's bones]

I like fighting but I've always thought that goalie fights are stupid. It's not really heat of the action---it's just like we've got to be the final act. What's the f***ing point?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Leevi Aaltonen has signed a contract with KooKoo until the end of the 2022-23 season

Leevi Aaltonen täydentämään KooKoon hyökkäyksen

 

[CupSeeker]

He was actually the fight that instigated the whole thing. There was a lot of shoving and then he finally squared up with a guy and then knocked him down to the ice. Unfortunately, in my opinion, he also crushed the guy with a big right while he was fully standing and the other guy was still on his knees, which is a chicken shit move IMO, and is probably what caused the other players to go berserk. If I was the ECHL I would suspend him for that. Also, the guy he fought was not a fighter by any means. IDK what started it all but I don't like how he handled that.

EDIT: Starts around 4:20.

You don't like that he got dirty? We need some dirty in our system. We are full of choir boys who often get pushed around. I am happy to see that he went outside the lines to make a point.

 

[nyr2k2]

You don't like that he got dirty? We need some dirty in our system. We are full of choir boys who often get pushed around. I am happy to see that he went outside the lines to make a point.

Going "outside the lines" to beat up on a fringey skill player who doesn't fight, I'm not really sure what that accomplishes, or what point is made.

I like being willing to throw down and play with an edge. I don't like the singular act of punching a guy who is on his knees, particularly when that player isn't a tough guy.

Whatever, though. To each his own I suppose.

 

[cwede]

Leevi Aaltonen has signed a contract with KooKoo until the end of the 2022-23 season : Leevi Aaltonen täydentämään KooKoon hyökkäyksen

which, if i understand info, shared prior, about transfer-agreements,

... Liiga falls under the transfer agreement for players under contract.

does not mean he could not sign w NYR, and join 'Pack, sooner

and for general understanding, that term end-date leads just into when his NHL rights expire, June'23
New York Rangers Reserve List - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

which, if i understand info, shared prior, about transfer-agreements,

does not mean he could not sign w NYR, and join 'Pack, sooner

and for general understanding, that term end-date leads just into when his NHL rights expire, June'23
New York Rangers Reserve List - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Yes, Liiga is part of the transfer agreement, so the Rangers can still sign him between July 1st and August 15th each year.

I'm just happy Aaltonen gets a chance with a different team because once Bracco arrived he was out of the line up

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He was actually the fight that instigated the whole thing. There was a lot of shoving and then he finally squared up with a guy and then knocked him down to the ice. Unfortunately, in my opinion, he also crushed the guy with a big right while he was fully standing and the other guy was still on his knees, which is a chicken shit move IMO, and is probably what caused the other players to go berserk. If I was the ECHL I would suspend him for that. Also, the guy he fought was not a fighter by any means. IDK what started it all but I don't like how he handled that.

EDIT: Starts around 4:20.

34 was the big dbag in that one, literally throwing like 12 punches to a guy on the ground who couldnt even defend himself.