Confirmed with Link: Rangers name Alain Vigneault head coach - Part II

[Canucks LB]

10/11 Bruins were 5th in Goals per Game in the regular season, they were also 2nd in GA per game.

Good point, I could put that as a offensive team with grit category.

 

[Doctyl]

Good point, I could put that as a offensive team with grit category.

or just a ****ing awesome two way team

 

[Canucks LB]

or just a ****ing awesome two way team

It's funny because they were 1 loss away from giving the cup to van, and 10 min away from getting their head coach fired THIS year in round 1

Now instead they are considered elite.

 

[NHRangerfan]

It's funny because they were 1 loss away from giving the cup to van, and 10 min away from getting their head coach fired THIS year in round 1

Now instead they are considered elite.

Truer words

 

[Doctyl]

It's funny because they were 1 loss away from giving the cup to van, and 10 min away from getting their head coach fired THIS year in round 1

Now instead they are considered elite.

love them or hate them, you have to admit they are a damn good hockey team. just about all of their forwards are good-excellent two way players. they also have good dmen and a good defense system. Gorton did a great job building that team

 

[stan the caddy]

Looks like you did.

I said he wasn't the problem, I didn't say he was infallible...

I'm sure Babcock could have done some things a little differently. Is he part of the problem? Should he be fired?

Keep putting words in my mouth.

 

[NHRangerfan]

You didn't "fail" just because you fell short of winning the cup. If that was the case you couldn't possibly call AV and "outstanding" coach considering he's been a "failure" his whole career based on that definition of the word.

Tortorella didn't "fail" this year. The pucks didn't bounce our way, the players were banged up, and a few guys probably got a little lazy in the offseason. He turned into the scapegoat for all of that. Only one team wins the cup every year.

All of the bold may be true, but I notice you make no mention of the performance of the coach....

Because it's not his fault and you'll see that next year. I'll be pleased with another second round exit. The Rangers aren't even the best team in their division.

I said he wasn't the problem, I didn't say he was infallible...

I'm sure Babcock could have done some things a little differently. Is he part of the problem? Should he be fired?

Keep putting words in my mouth.

All your words are above...it was bounces, injuries and lazy players...

 

[stan the caddy]

All your words are above...it was bounces, injuries and lazy players...

He couldn't have done a single thing different or better?

Because I clearly stated that he did everything 100 ****ing percent right...

This is what you've reduced your argument to?

 

[stan the caddy]

You want to know one thing that I didn't like about him? I thought he had the defenseman on the forecheck too much in the Boston series. But according to a lot of people around here he "wasn't agressive enough".

 

[Doctyl]

You want to know one thing that I didn't like about him? I thought he had the defenseman on the forecheck too much in the Boston series. But according to a lot of people around here he "wasn't agressive enough".

you thought the rangers played too aggressive against boston?

 

[stan the caddy]

you thought the rangers played too aggressive against boston?

With the defenseman, yea, specifically game 2. For a lot of that game they only had 1 defender back which made it really easy for Boston to gain the zone. On the flip side, Boston's been stacking players on the blueline all playoffs and forcing dump ins.

 

[NHRangerfan]

Because I clearly stated that he did everything 100 ****ing percent right...

This is what you've reduced your argument to?

So he was perfect, didn't need to pressure the Bruins point men? Didn't need to change the breakout when the Bruins were taking away the boards?

Obviously he's a younger version of Scotty Bowman, might was well change the name of the Jack Adams trophy to the Torts

 

[stan the caddy]

Here's another problem I had with him, the leash on JT Miller was too long. JT Miller stunk it up, didn't deserve the ice time he got. Same could be said about MDZ his rookie season. His horrific defense played a huge factor in the Rangers not making the playoffs that year.

Of course he wouldn't have to do this if the team had more depth which Sather did not provide. We had to trade Gaborik for it.

 

[Doctyl]

Here's another problem I had with him, the leash on JT Miller was too long. JT Miller stunk it up, didn't deserve the ice time he got. Same could be said about MDZ his rookie season. His horrific defense played a huge factor in the Rangers not making the playoffs that year.

Of course he wouldn't have to do this if the team had more depth which Sather did not provide. We had to trade Gaborik for it.

JTM's leash was ridiculous, turnover after turnover. yet kreider makes a decent play and gets benched.

 

[stan the caddy]

So he was perfect, didn't need to pressure the Bruins point men? Didn't need to change the breakout when the Bruins were taking away the boards?

Obviously he's a younger version of Scotty Bowman, might was well change the name of the Jack Adams trophy to the Torts

The top comment was sarcasm...

How many times do I have to say that he's not infallible. That doesn't mean he's "part of the problem".

 

[Doctyl]

With the defenseman, yea, specifically game 2. For a lot of that game they only had 1 defender back which made it really easy for Boston to gain the zone. On the flip side, Boston's been stacking players on the blueline all playoffs and forcing dump ins.

in game 2 that was DZ's Pejorative Slured pinching and girardi ****ing everything up on defense. brutal pairing i dont know why it took 5 goals against for torts to realize it.

 

[stan the caddy]

in game 2 that was DZ's Pejorative Slured pinching and girardi ****ing everything up on defense. brutal pairing i dont know why it took 5 goals against for torts to realize it.

Overall he's done a really ******* good job with the defense. You can cherry pick any coach and make them look bad.

I'm sure there are many things Julien could have done differently in the playoffs last year. I'm sure the same could be said about AV.

 

[NHRangerfan]

The top comment was sarcasm...

How many times do I have to say that he's not infallible. That doesn't mean he's "part of the problem".

We'll agree to disagree, there was a lot of blame to go around last season and Torts owns a piece of it...and I'm a Torts supporter

 

[The Gloaming]

in game 2 that was DZ's Pejorative Slured pinching and girardi ****ing everything up on defense. brutal pairing i dont know why it took 5 goals against for torts to realize it.

I said in the GDT before the game, when the lines were tweeted that that pairing would be a disaster. Nope, took Torts an entire game to figure that one out.

 

[Tawnos]

You didn't "fail" just because you fell short of winning the cup. If that was the case you couldn't possibly call AV and "outstanding" coach considering he's been a "failure" his whole career based on that definition of the word.

Tortorella didn't "fail" this year. The pucks didn't bounce our way, the players were banged up, and a few guys probably got a little lazy in the offseason. He turned into the scapegoat for all of that. Only one team wins the cup every year.

Outstanding coaches ultimately fail every year, was my point. Thanks for missing that.

 

[Synergy27]

All I want to say is that people fighting against the "Torts didn't maximize the talent" contingent seem to be forgetting about 11-12. Remember that season, when the first seeded Rangers were taken to seven games in rounds one and two and then ousted by the sixth seeded Devils? I look more to that than anything that happened during this ****show of a season.

I don't think it's possible to win the Cup trying to grind it out like that. Too little margin for error, too much physical and emotional strain. His approach was just not going to work. End of story in my opinion.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Vigneault, Samuelsson and Brown.

I think thats a real nice staff, that may be the strongest the Rangers have had in a while.

Just announce it already.

 

[Kwayry]

I do think he sucks ass. You do not have very good reasoning skills. Just because a guy has one good trait (and I do think he has a few solid offensive skills) does not mean, overall, that he doesn't suck. Rundblad has a single good trait. Offensive skill. That's it. He has no mental game and less than no defensive game. Overall, the guy sucks. He's a liability when he's on the ice.

Why do I have to break everything down for you? Read my posts, use some logic, and comment. I am tired of doing the reasoning for you. I have not posted anything that is vague or ambiguous.

You don't need to break anything down for me, just be consistent in what you type. You seem to be all over the place.

All these names, McBain, Blum, Rundblad are available because they have warts.

Even you don't deny Rundblad has offensive skills.
And that's skillset the Rangers need on the PP where he can start right away.

He is still young at 22, my hope is given the depth of the Rangers D, he gets to develop at his own pace, work on his skating and defensive issues. If it doesn't work out he is still valuable as a #7D or even #8D PP specialist. The Rangers don't have too many of those.

You don't seem to grasp this simple point.

And finally, everytime you get called out, you take refuge in trying to belittle people. It's getting too predictable. Try a new approach, this one is getting old.

 

[chosen]

Lol, where did I mention anything about Oates? That might be true based on your twisted logic.

Not one person has said that the roster is perfect, or that another coach would have won a cup with this roster. No one has claimed that Sather did a good job putting the team together.

But that doesn't mean Torts wasn't at fault also. And trying to argue that he wasn't at fault for our awful PP because boston shutdown the hawks PP for 3 games is ridiculous. You assume that boston's PK is just that good and therefore, it wasn't really our PP that was bad, but that's obviously a complete fallacy. Our PP sucked against everyone, not just boston.

You obviously have an agenda here, as you last tried to make the same argument with this beauty:



If you can't see how illogical that conclusion is, I don't know what to tell you. How boston does against other teams doesn't change how well or poorly Torts coached this team.

You claim to not be a Torts supporter or hater, yet you've spent an awful lot of time trying to defend him. Too bad your arguments are all based on faulty logic.

The Rangers ended up at worst the 8th best team in the league. Using the logic you claim to revere, after having admitted that the Rangers are flawed, based on factors other than coaching, otherwise known as personnel, where would they have finished with a coach besides Tortorella.

I have stated before that with very few exceptions, the coaches are pretty much interchangeable. I am not a Torts supporter. I am a supporter of the notion that personnel trumps coaching at the NHL level.

By the way, my point about Oates was that he led the most efficient power play in the league. Since you attribute power play success with coaching ability, it seemed "logical" that you would believe him to be the best coach.

 

[GAGLine]

By the way, my point about Oates was that he led the most efficient power play in the league. Since you attribute power play success with coaching ability, it seemed "logical" that you would believe him to be the best coach.

No, I pointed to the fact that our PP was abysmal, and has been for a while, as a reason why Torts failed. If something is broken, it's his job to fix it. It doesn't need to be #1 in the league, but we lost a lot of games this year due to our inability to score on the PP. Not only did we not score, but our PPs often killed our momentum, they were so bad.

That's on the coaching. If you think coaching doesn't matter, that's your prerogative, but I doubt you'll find many people who agree with you.