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Captain97

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I feel like the Rangers and Habs may have a long talk about one the wingers we have in the 25-30 range now that Gorton is running the show and a rebuild seems possible.

What are the Rangers looking at in terms of specific needs? PP, PK, 5v5, term (3+ years) vs short (less than 2) left handed vs Right handed etc.
 

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While it is Rangers own fault due to escapades of their own mgmt, the fact is, Kravstov continues to have 9OA value, and will have that, until he comes back and plays meaningful mins in the top 6, pref the top line.
If he craps out then, well yes, it is THEN fair to say he was a bust.

That he played 20 games for a shit show of an injury depeted team last yr, almost entirely on the 4th line due to an idiot of a coach, w/linemates who mostly could not shoot the puck into the ocean, is not a testament vs K, and esp not a final one.

Everybody needs to admit to and do the math.
We can't afford Strome next season
no self rental
no indulgence
deal him now for more b'c his contract has more term

Get that done, bring up Barron
when Krav is ready to return there will be room for him too.
Kravstov has value but he's not worth a 9ov pick anymore. No way
 

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I feel like the Rangers and Habs may have a long talk about one the wingers we have in the 25-30 range now that Gorton is running the show and a rebuild seems possible.
What are the Rangers looking at in terms of specific needs? PP, PK, 5v5, term (3+ years) vs short (less than 2) left handed vs Right handed etc.

NYR could be helped by a sniping RW and/or a good FaceOff guy
special teams are already well-manned,
short-term preferred, the pipeline is deep, their Cap is top heavy, and some young guys gonna earn raises over next few off-seasons

won't be surprised if they take a rental, if price is fair,
like a Reilly Smith, who has history w coach Turk
 

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Kravstov has value but he's not worth a 9ov pick anymore. No way

consider the following logic:
- Krav value established at 9OA by draft
- stupid interlude where he is not given legit chance to show what he can do or even what his potential is [no meaninful mins w/meaningful linemates]
- problem is exacerbated by lack of varsity roster spot
- Rangers can learn from the above foolishness and, other than temporary commitment to KHL endling later this season, can recall Krav
- in the meantime, Strome has to go, b'c it is mathematically impossible for us to pay him next year. This has been covered, it is not an option open for discussion. That means more mins and with them opportunities for those still here incl Krav.
- once here, he gets his mins likely adjustment possible growing pains followed by improvement based on talent
- following that he should get comfortable then excel
- NY can then sell based on actual demo of production

NYR have no reason to give Krav away when they control that above sceanario.
 
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consider the following logic:
- Krav value established at 9OA by draft
- stupid interlude where he is not given legit chance to show what he can do or even what his potential is [no meaninful mins w/meaningful linemates]
- problem is exacerbated by lack of varsity roster spot
- Rangers can learn from the above foolishness and, other than temporary commitment to KHL endling later this season, can recall Krav
- in the meantime, Strome has to go, b'c it is mathematically impossible for us to pay him next year. This has been covered, it is not an option open for discussion. That means more mins and with them opportunities for those still here incl Krav.
- once here, he gets his mins likely adjustment possible growing pains followed by improvement based on talent
- following that he should get comfortable then excel
- NY can then sell based on actual demo of production

NYR have no reason to give Krav away when they control that above sceanario.
I wouldn't give a first for him unless it's a late first. Even then. And I like him as a player since day one.
 

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consider the following logic:
- Krav value established at 9OA by draft
- stupid interlude where he is not given legit chance to show what he can do or even what his potential is [no meaninful mins w/meaningful linemates]
- problem is exacerbated by lack of varsity roster spot
- Rangers can learn from the above foolishness and, other than temporary commitment to KHL endling later this season, can recall Krav
- in the meantime, Strome has to go, b'c it is mathematically impossible for us to pay him next year. This has been covered, it is not an option open for discussion. That means more mins and with them opportunities for those still here incl Krav.
- once here, he gets his mins likely adjustment possible growing pains followed by improvement based on talent
- following that he should get comfortable then excel
- NY can then sell based on actual demo of production

NYR have no reason to give Krav away when they control that above sceanario.


We can give you Kassian . Kassian value is established 13 OA by the draft , He bring a skill set that most players in todays NHL are lacking . Krav should be a fair price considering what Kassian brings to the table .

Am I doing this right ? Point is it doesn't matter where a player is drafted . Draisaitl value isn't a 3rd OA anymore, it is much much higher . Yakupov value isn't a 1st OA and the player everyone and their dog was call a bust 2 years ago in Puljujarvi saying he isn't worth much more then the 3rd round pick that was being offered . There was a TSN report saying Edmonton wouldn't trade him for 2 1st . 2 years ago Holland would've sold him for a 2nd . value on player changes fast . Krav wants out that lowers his value . Being Russian with the possibility of bolting for the KHL lowers his vale . You seem to factor things like this in when you want to trade for a player but you don't do the same with a NYR player .
 

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Rangers have no need to overpay for anybody just look at their record. Zac Jones probably could start for just about every NHL team in the league other than a few and he’s in the AHL. Hajek should have never lost his job he was pretty good last year. Every year there are at least 15 teams that think the defenseman they have are good and after about 20 games they realize their defenseman stink so the Rangers really are in the driving seat to make a deal considering the defenseman prospects they have.
 

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It basically just shows you the incompetence of most NHL general managers. A top gm would swipe in and get Jones and Hajek and add two out of the six pieces you need for an NHL defenseman group but instead they sit there and do nothing. Horvat or Miller for a package of Jones, Hajek, Kravtsov and somebody like Pajuniemi would go along way to rebuilding a bad Canucks team. However that GM will sit there and do absolutely nothing like usual. Jones isn’t Fox but he has some Fox in his game. With the right partner he can be a top 4 defenseman and also work the pp.
 

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It basically just shows you the incompetence of most NHL general managers. A top gm would swipe in and get Jones and Hajek and add two out of the six pieces you need for an NHL defenseman group but instead they sit there and do nothing. Horvat or Miller for a package of Jones, Hajek, Kravtsov and somebody like Pajuniemi would go along way to rebuilding a bad Canucks team. However that GM will sit there and do absolutely nothing like usual.
Hajek is nothing. Every team has a guy like him. If he was that good he would play in front of nemeth and tinordi
 

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We can give you Kassian . Kassian value is established 13 OA by the draft , He bring a skill set that most players in todays NHL are lacking . Krav should be a fair price considering what Kassian brings to the table .

Am I doing this right ? Point is it doesn't matter where a player is drafted . Draisaitl value isn't a 3rd OA anymore, it is much much higher . Yakupov value isn't a 1st OA and the player everyone and their dog was call a bust 2 years ago in Puljujarvi saying he isn't worth much more then the 3rd round pick that was being offered . There was a TSN report saying Edmonton wouldn't trade him for 2 1st . 2 years ago Holland would've sold him for a 2nd . value on player changes fast . Krav wants out that lowers his value . Being Russian with the possibility of bolting for the KHL lowers his vale . You seem to factor things like this in when you want to trade for a player but you don't do the same with a NYR player .

No, you are not doing it right.
The draft pedigree only prevails until a legit, bonafide review supplants it.
Legit is:
- decent amount of time
- player has fair tools to present case as to his production

Krav is being evaluated as to if he is a top line guy.
That means he needs to play with top F linemates. Period. You can't say in all fairness he played w/lesser talent but it doesn't matter. And 4th line is fullest measure away from 1st line as you can get.

Now if Krav were like Lias Anderson, and he was a no talent bum who deserved 4th line at best, that would be one thing. And what is infuriating is Lias got ins w/Zib, Kreider, etc. while Krav did not.

But obviously, Krav is a talent who set record in KHL, and eye tests suggest he is real deal talent. Not Draisatil or similar above his 9OA equiv of pay grade status. But yes ballpark to his draft pedigree. And for those paying close attention, Krav on paper has attributes that suggest if given chance with proper linemates, he could play C, not just W.

Now why NYR were this stupid about this is another ?.
But a moot one.
He clearly deserved to make team out of training camp, and prob due to Drury now in charge, but for whatev reason, we all saw what happened.
Fact is, that he did not make team was not 111% on merit on him.

We can't pay Strome for next year. He should be dealt sooner than later to max his return.
That is the F slot we need for Krav.
Blais is out, that should go to Barron.

Last month of the year, play
Krav - Zib - Panarin
Kreider - Barron - Kakko
LaF - Chytil - Gauthier
Goodrow - Rooney - Hunr/Reaves

let's see than what K can do...

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as to concern about Ruskies bolting, particularly EDM, I got nothing there. Whether or not that assessment is true, and if yes, what should be done, I can't say.

EDIT ADD: Kassian does not apply b'c whatev his draft position, he HAS played long enough to demonstrate commensurate production that establishes his value.
 
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What would Patrick Kane at 50% retained get me? Reunite him with Panarin.

I am not sure if Chicago can take any contracts back since the Rangers have bought out most of their bad deals, right?
 

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What would Patrick Kane at 50% retained get me? Reunite him with Panarin.

I am not sure if Chicago can take any contracts back since the Rangers have bought out most of their bad deals, right?

I’d imagine something the Rangers don’t want to give up.

Rangers also can’t take on significant cap next season. Any deal for the Rangers to bring in a winger is probably going to be a rental this year or a young, cost controlled winger.
 

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What would Patrick Kane at 50% retained get me? Reunite him with Panarin.

I am not sure if Chicago can take any contracts back since the Rangers have bought out most of their bad deals, right?

2021 1st is 100% in the proposal. I would think that if Kane is traded, so is Fleury. Georgiev can be thrown in as a filler piece and to offset some of the salary from this season and give Chicago a goalie to see what he is in a more consistent role. Kravstov can be added, that boat is likely sailed here in NY for him, fresh start in Chicago.

The other pieces would be up to what they are looking for. Would not be willing to move Lafreniere or Kakko in that deal. Too short term of a move to put them in it. Would be too much for a player with only 1 1/2 years left.

Nils Lundkvist would be available IMO. Puck moving RHD, on rookie deal and has one of the best RHD outside of the NHL before coming over. Zac Jones would be on the board too. Doing well in the AHL so far, cup of coffee in the NHL last season, puck moving LHD. Both are two fantastic defensive prospects.

Their 1st rounder this past draft, Othmann is carrying Flint in the OHL right now. Would be willing to add him in to the deal too.

Kane 50% off

for

2021 1st, Georgiev, Kravtsov, Jones/Lundkvist, Othmann.

A lot of potential in that deal IMO for Chicago. Two lottery picks with 2nd line type potential, a top prospect level puck moving D, a lottery ticket, and a goalie that has done better when he plays more frequent.

Rangers lineup:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Kane
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier
Rooney-Goodrow-Reaves
Hunt
 

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2021 1st is 100% in the proposal. I would think that if Kane is traded, so is Fleury. Georgiev can be thrown in as a filler piece and to offset some of the salary from this season and give Chicago a goalie to see what he is in a more consistent role. Kravstov can be added, that boat is likely sailed here in NY for him, fresh start in Chicago.

The other pieces would be up to what they are looking for. Would not be willing to move Lafreniere or Kakko in that deal. Too short term of a move to put them in it. Would be too much for a player with only 1 1/2 years left.

Nils Lundkvist would be available IMO. Puck moving RHD, on rookie deal and has one of the best RHD outside of the NHL before coming over. Zac Jones would be on the board too. Doing well in the AHL so far, cup of coffee in the NHL last season, puck moving LHD. Both are two fantastic defensive prospects.

Their 1st rounder this past draft, Othmann is carrying Flint in the OHL right now. Would be willing to add him in to the deal too.

Kane 50% off

for

2021 1st, Georgiev, Kravtsov, Jones/Lundkvist, Othmann.

A lot of potential in that deal IMO for Chicago. Two lottery picks with 2nd line type potential, a top prospect level puck moving D, a lottery ticket, and a goalie that has done better when he plays more frequent.

Rangers lineup:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Kane
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier
Rooney-Goodrow-Reaves
Hunt
That deal lands you Pettersson at 50%
 

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That deal lands you Pettersson at 50%

I disagree. Kane is still an elite level player. It would be for a year and a half. There has to be substance to the deal.

Keith Yandle is not near that level and the Rangers traded Duclair (top winger prospect), 1st, John Moore (young 3rd pair D), and a 2nd.

Maybe you swap out Othmann for someone else, but that's what it would take to get that caliber of a player not on an expiring deal and with retained salary.
 

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Rangers just can’t afford Kane. Would be cool to see but I can’t imagine it happening. Imo they need a 3rd pairing D and a backup G a lot more than a winger.
 
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2021 1st is 100% in the proposal. I would think that if Kane is traded, so is Fleury. Georgiev can be thrown in as a filler piece and to offset some of the salary from this season and give Chicago a goalie to see what he is in a more consistent role. Kravstov can be added, that boat is likely sailed here in NY for him, fresh start in Chicago.

The other pieces would be up to what they are looking for. Would not be willing to move Lafreniere or Kakko in that deal. Too short term of a move to put them in it. Would be too much for a player with only 1 1/2 years left.

Nils Lundkvist would be available IMO. Puck moving RHD, on rookie deal and has one of the best RHD outside of the NHL before coming over. Zac Jones would be on the board too. Doing well in the AHL so far, cup of coffee in the NHL last season, puck moving LHD. Both are two fantastic defensive prospects.

Their 1st rounder this past draft, Othmann is carrying Flint in the OHL right now. Would be willing to add him in to the deal too.

Kane 50% off

for

2021 1st, Georgiev, Kravtsov, Jones/Lundkvist, Othmann.

A lot of potential in that deal IMO for Chicago. Two lottery picks with 2nd line type potential, a top prospect level puck moving D, a lottery ticket, and a goalie that has done better when he plays more frequent.

Rangers lineup:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Kane
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier
Rooney-Goodrow-Reaves
Hunt

I vote firm no on dealing youth for age especially this much.


I disagree. Kane is still an elite level player. It would be for a year and a half. There has to be substance to the deal.

Keith Yandle is not near that level and the Rangers traded Duclair (top winger prospect), 1st, John Moore (young 3rd pair D), and a 2nd.

Maybe you swap out Othmann for someone else, but that's what it would take to get that caliber of a player not on an expiring deal and with retained salary.

Prefer the depth to the perceived quality, which may be fine, but risk of aging well is not.
While Kane may not be Marcel Dionne level cooked, the days of us overpaying for superstars past their prime has to stop.

In fact, overpaying in general without good reason has to stop.
Yandle then is not something to be repeated now.
 

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