Rangers Let Go of Head Athletic Trainer Jim Ramsay

[Crease]

I do find it interesting there was no social media send off. Rammer was the longest tenured staff member and very popular with the fans.

 

[Atax]

Whatever.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Was in the middle of family graduation stuff when I saw the news hit.

Mark Ciaccao should be next. Like this week next. That's priority number one in my very humble opinion.

I see some of the stuff on social media and people freaking out about Ramsey. We don't know the entire story. Maybe Drury wanted to bring in a younger person in their 20s/30s who is more cutting edge. But for some to call the Rangers cowards or classless.....c'mon.

 

[Blueshirt13]

Maybe the handling of the Lindgren injury around the trade deadline, which cost us call ups and made us play shorthanded a few games along with not being able to rest people ahead of the playoffs? Obviously just speculation but just seems odd how its being handled fod.someone that's been around as long as he has

 

[n8]

No athletic trainer is going to give medical clearance. Doctors do that.

Isn't Ramsay a doctor? He was also the Director of Sports Medicine. I don't think you get that position without a MD. I think he's qualified to be the one to give medical clearance in that case.

 

[Overcast]

Don't really have an issue with with firing a guy who has been here since the stone age. I kinda trust Drury's judgement here considering he was treated by the guy as a player and has been in the organization basically since he retired.

Apparently Ramsay was relieved of the "Director of Sports Medicine & Conditioning" roles before this past season started. Could be as simple as him just phasing out like they did with Gordie Clark.

Wanted to quote this post as it sounded like one of the more plausible reasons.

 

[Machinehead]

Cant wait to develop Othmann and Cuylle into the next Ortmeyer and Betts

This meme is so dumb.

Show me the coaches, GM's, scouts, and other executives around the league who were good pro players. There's not many.

Hell, Gallant was a good player!

 

[nyr2k2]

Isn't Ramsay a doctor? He was also the Director of Sports Medicine. I don't think you get that position without a MD. I think he's qualified to be the one to give medical clearance in that case.

I have never heard anyone refer to him as a doctor and Director of Sports Medicine isn't typically a position requiring anything more than a master's degree, from my quick Google search.

I'm 100% sure that Sam would have been referring to him as "Doctor Jim Ramsay" if he was in fact a doctor.

 

[Crease]

He’s not an MD, though his job requires him to coordinate with the team doctors, physical therapists, nutritionists, and strength and conditioning coaches. Think ankle/wrist taping, stretching, massaging, first aid.

 

[Machinehead]

I have never heard anyone refer to him as a doctor and Director of Sports Medicine isn't typically a position requiring anything more than a master's degree, from my quick Google search.

I'm 100% sure that Sam would have been referring to him as "Doctor Jim Ramsay" if he was in fact a doctor.

Yeah, typically, his line of work requires a college education (usually an advanced degree) in sports medicine, nutrition, or physical therapy. His role involves fitness, program development, therapy, recovery, and diagnosis to an extent.

A "doctor," in our colloquial understanding, aside from the official title, is one that prescribes medicine, and/or performs surgery.

Surgery would obviously be done third-party by the best professionals the team could find and as far as medicine, the team has an entire crew of "actual doctors" including a team dentist and a team assistant dentist, which is a super fun title.

Surgery and medication would not come from Rammer or anybody in his role.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Yeah, typically, his line of work requires a college education (usually an advanced degree) in sports medicine, nutrition, or physical therapy. His role involves fitness, program development, therapy, recovery, and diagnosis to an extent.

A "doctor," in our colloquial understanding, aside from the official title, is one that prescribes medicine, and/or performs surgery.

Surgery would obviously be done third-party by the best professionals the team could find and as far as medicine, the team has an entire crew of "actual doctors" including a team dentist and a team assistant dentist, which is a super fun title.

Surgery and medication would not come from Rammer or anybody in his role.

Obviously the next domino to fall will be firing the team dentists that allowed Kravtsov to miss a game for an infected tooth

 

[Irishguy42]

Will they do a jumbotron welcome back next season for whatever team he's on?

 

[SA16]

Has anyone considered that Jim Ramsay was likely paid significantly above league average for his role since he held the same job for 29 years? They probably assume they can get the same performance from someone for a much lower cost. It wouldn't at all surprise me if they hire his replacement for much cheaper and then spend the extra money they saved on an upgrade for Ciaccio.

 

[Profet]

Has anyone considered that Jim Ramsay was likely paid significantly above league average for his role since he held the same job for 29 years? They probably assume they can get the same performance from someone for a much lower cost. It wouldn't at all surprise me if they hire his replacement for much cheaper and then spend the extra money they saved on an upgrade for Ciaccio.

Eh... I find it to usually be the opposite for most lines of work.

People usually make far less than industry average if they've stayed at a company for 10+ years.

Staff isn't bound by a salary cap, so it doesn't make sense to nickel and dime these roles. You go out and find the best person for each role regardless of cost. Especially for an org like the Rangers that is one of the few highly profitable orgs in the league.

Most likely, the Rangers want to modernize this role and Ramsay wasn't part of their vision.

 

[SA16]

Eh... I find it to usually be the opposite for most lines of work.

People usually make far less than industry average if they've stayed at a company for 10+ years.

Staff isn't bound by a salary cap, so it doesn't make sense to nickel and dime these roles. You go out and find the best person for each role regardless of cost. Especially for an org like the Rangers that is one of the few highly profitable orgs in the league.

Most likely, the Rangers want to modernize this role and Ramsay wasn't part of their vision.

It's different in sports which is known for underpaying most jobs because there are tons of people willing to take less money in order to work for a team.

 

[Modest Grouse]

To everyone saying this is fine and questioning peoples' "overreactions"

They FIRED the longest tenured guy in the organization without saying a word. If this was merely a retirement or planned "moving on," they obviously would've acknowledged it at the end of the season somehow, the fans loved him. At the very least, the social media team would've posted something about it the past couple days to thank him.

We may never know what exactly it is, but there is absolutely a dramatic story here. You're insane to think not.

Personally, I'm not questioning people having a reaction but your last paragraph is key. The fact that such a long-tenured and beloved member of the org was fired strongly suggests there is a story that has yet to be told. I don't assume it was a stupid move on Drury's part as some here have already concluded, despite not knowing what prompted it. Until clarity on Drury's rationale for the firing becomes public (if it ever does, feels like something Brooks might eventually report on), I will reserve judgement.

 

[bleedblue94]

Has anyone considered that Jim Ramsay was likely paid significantly above league average for his role since he held the same job for 29 years? They probably assume they can get the same performance from someone for a much lower cost. It wouldn't at all surprise me if they hire his replacement for much cheaper and then spend the extra money they saved on an upgrade for Ciaccio.

This is the rangers, not the coyotes.

They aren't firing the trainers so they can spend more money on skills development, this isn't either or situation...

I do find it interesting there was no social media send off. Rammer was the longest tenured staff member and very popular with the fans.

As I said originally there's something else going on here. People jumped on me for suggesting that, but the way the organization did this something happened behind the scenes, I have absolutely no question about that. This whole thing has been so unceremoniously handled that something's lurking under the surface

 

[nyr2k2]

Maybe the social media team is on vacation.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

They removed him from NYR.com. As of yesterday he was still there. Nobody new listed yet.

 

[TheWrongWay]

Somewhat surprising. Was more hoping for a post like this with Mark Ciaccio's name in it.

 

[Good Intentions]

Both of these are definitely true.

Country club needs to go.

Keep Allaire, fire the rest.

This “country club” theme is a simple declaration. Mr. Corporate Drury may very well be the epitome of “country club” - he keeps it tight to the vest, limits his exposure. I didn’t like him as a player, and his bland monotone commentary doesn’t help my perception of him as anything more than a mid-level shill.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Personally, I'm not questioning people having a reaction but your last paragraph is key. The fact that such a long-tenured and beloved member of the org was fired strongly suggests there is a story that has yet to be told. I don't assume it was a stupid move on Drury's part as some here have already concluded, despite not knowing what prompted it. Until clarity on Drury's rationale for the firing becomes public (if it ever does, feels like something Brooks might eventually report on), I will reserve judgement.

There may not be any drama at all. It may be that they're slowly phasing people out and going with a younger more cutting edge staff.

I think sometimes people want drama for the sake of drama or because it's a good story or you know, "Nu Yawk and Brawdway".

We'll know more in the coming weeks if Ciaccao is still here or not.

 

[2014nyr]

i get the impression this was not about his job performance...they wouldn't have sent him off quietly like this. i have no idea what it was, but my guess it was more along the lines of a 2023 world stupid offense - he cracked a joke overheard by somebody who was just oh so offended. the guy's practically a part of the garden bench, he's beloved by the team...they don't shove him out like that with hardly a mention, and decline comment, for no reason. having said that, again i know nothing, just reading the tea leaves. to me they read like there's something neither side wants to talk about.

 

[The Gloaming]

This “country club” theme is a simple declaration. Mr. Corporate Drury may very well be the epitome of “country club” - he keeps it tight to the vest, limits his exposure. I didn’t like him as a player, and his bland monotone commentary doesn’t help my perception of him as anything more than a mid-level shill.

It's hard to get a read on Drury. Is he a country club shill or is he a ruthless dictator who just never feels the need to explain himself in front of cameras? When is the last time we even heard from him?

 

[JHS]

It's hard to get a read on Drury. Is he a country club shill or is he a ruthless dictator who just never feels the need to explain himself in front of cameras? When is the last time we even heard from him?

The guy always cam across as an arrogant unlikable jerk when he was a player. No surprise he and owner Dolan are getting along so well. It's like looking into the mirror...