Speculation: Rangers Head Coach Search (Laviolette being finalized? According to Vince and Friedman)

[RGY]

Their slogan should be "The New York Rangers, where All Stars/useful players go to s***".

Yeah Panarin has had some massive dip since coming here…

Zibanejad. Kreider. Fox. They all have played to and/or are raising their ceilings.

That notion is a paranoid woe is me farce.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Yeah Panarin has had some massive dip since coming here…

Zibanejad. Kreider. Fox. They all have played to and/or are raising their ceilings.

That notion is a paranoid woe is me farce.

I should clarify I was meaning players that are brought in via trades/free agency. It also shows it's better to draft and develop your own so you don't have to chase after the next star from somewhere else giving up assets you'll need either now or in the not-too-distant future.

 

[Kocur26]

A new coach will not change the massive regression of Adam Fox.
A new coach will not change the fact we haven’t had a face off man since Craig MacTavish ( sadly we last won a cup with guy without a helmet )
A new coach will not change the utter gutlessness of Panarin and DJ Mika Z
A new coach can’t overcome us being $40 bucks under the cap with choking Drury salary giveaways .
A new coach can’t change the fact Alexis lafrenniere is the slowest skating 1 overall in a quarter century.

This team needs a tear down Ala the nj devils … it’s time to sell them all …

You think John Hynes is coming to msg and winning ? Haha
Peter Laviollete is looking to pad his retirement with one more huge contract- he has no shame he’ll take Dolans cash and miss the playoffs with a smile.

Coaches can’t fix our misery - we are a mediocre squad - with limited coin.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Panarin’s dip is because his physical skills are declining. That has everything to do with age/wear.

He’s also too dumb to adjust to his reality so there’s that too. Doesn’t mean he’d be be back to his old self if he did, but he’d be better.

 

[Fitzy]

Fox and Panarin didn’t decline, our frequent opponents just learned how to match up against them better

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Fox and Panarin didn’t decline, our frequent opponents just learned how to match up against them better

Panarin definitely declined, he used to be such a dominate stick handler, now he cant do anything. Fox was a Norris trophy nominee, so not sure how someone could say he declined.

 

[Raspewtin]

where is this notion that Fox declined coming from, I can't understand

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Fox and Panarin didn’t decline, our frequent opponents just learned how to match up against them better

Panarin absolutely has declined. His skating was never fantastic but he at least was able to create separation. He can’t do that anymore.

Fox has arguably his best season in the league last year. Anyone hating on his performance last season is either dumb or allowing a single play to define the entire thing.

 

[pld459666]

Panarin hasn't declined.

When you have no other real viable option on his line, you can pay more attention to him by limiting his time and space thus nullifying his ability to stick handle.

Personally I also think he needs to shoot more in the sense that he is predictable in that most opposing game plans guard against his playmaker ability.

I believe tjat him shooting more will force opposing game plans opening up passing lanes that have been clogged up while he's on the ice.

Declining players don't post 90+ points basically 4 seasons in a row.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

where is this notion that Fox declined coming from, I can't understand

He had like two bad games against the Debbies, I suppose, now he sucks.

 

[chosen]

A new coach will not change the massive regression of Adam Fox.
A new coach will not change the fact we haven’t had a face off man since Craig MacTavish ( sadly we last won a cup with guy without a helmet )
A new coach will not change the utter gutlessness of Panarin and DJ Mika Z
A new coach can’t overcome us being $40 bucks under the cap with choking Drury salary giveaways .
A new coach can’t change the fact Alexis lafrenniere is the slowest skating 1 overall in a quarter century.

This team needs a tear down Ala the nj devils … it’s time to sell them all …

You think John Hynes is coming to msg and winning ? Haha
Peter Laviollete is looking to pad his retirement with one more huge contract- he has no shame he’ll take Dolans cash and miss the playoffs with a smile.

Coaches can’t fix our misery - we are a mediocre squad - with limited coin.

Always impressed by guys in online chats calling NHL players gutless.

It often comes from the dinosaurs.

Panarin’s dip is because his physical skills are declining. That has everything to do with age/wear.

He’s also too dumb to adjust to his reality so there’s that too. Doesn’t mean he’d be be back to his old self if he did, but he’d be better.

Leading scorer on team.

Leading even-strength scorer on the team.

Who's the dumb one?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Fox's play in his own end, especially in the second half of the season, definitely did regress. You weren't paying attention if you didn't notice.

His first half last year was as dominant from a defenseman as I remember since Brian Leetch. Was a force all over the ice.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I should clarify I was meaning players that are brought in via trades/free agency. It also shows it's better to draft and develop your own so you don't have to chase after the next star from somewhere else giving up assets you'll need either now or in the not-too-distant future.

You mean like panarin who went from an 80 point per season player to a 90+ point per game player?
Lets take a look at both SC final teams core?
Florida :
Drafted : Barkov/Ekblad/Lundell (thats it) thats all the players currently playing on florida drafted by the team)
Trades/UFA : Tkachuk/Reinhart/Bennett/Verhaeghe/duclair/loustarinen/cousins/Lomberg/Montour/forsling/Carlsson/Gudas/fitzgerald/staal's


Vegas:
Drafted (expansion draft will count for this experiment) : Karlsson/marchessault/carrier/dorofeyev/cotter/Hauge/Mcnabb
Trade/UFA : Eichel/Stone/ Smith / Row/Stephenson/Kessel/Bluegar/barbashev/Howden/Pietroangelo/Martinez/theodore/Whitecloud/Hutton

No team drafts an entire roster of 22 players. In fact the rangers likely have more drafted players on their roster than Florida. Oh hey after review they're also tied with vegas.

Draft : Kreider/Chytil/Kakko/Laf/Schneider/Miller/Igor

Both teams in the SC "core" Florida has more of their star players drafted, but vegas "spent" on their core and are up 2-1. This whole "dont get UFA stars " argument is flawed AF.

The point is UFA's are risky, and trades are risky, but when you have the right talent, you pull the trigger. UFA's cost nothing but cap space. Panarin is still a top 10 LW. And while not worth 11 million, we also wasted 3 of the years when he was worth 15 million in cap space.

Draft and develop is a great concept, doesn't work in practice if you wanna win a cup.

Fox's play in his own end, especially in the second half of the season, definitely did regress. You weren't paying attention if you didn't notice.

His first half last year was as dominant from a defenseman as I remember since Brian Leetch. Was a force all over the ice.

How much of that was him being asked to carry mikkola once lindgren got hurt?
I like mikkola as a 6th D, but putting him in the top pair was throwing him in over his head.

 

[chosen]

You mean like panarin who went from an 80 point per season player to a 90+ point per game player?
Lets take a look at both SC final teams core?
Florida :
Drafted : Barkov/Ekblad/Lundell (thats it) thats all the players currently playing on florida drafted by the team)
Trades/UFA : Tkachuk/Reinhart/Bennett/Verhaeghe/duclair/loustarinen/cousins/Lomberg/Montour/forsling/Carlsson/Gudas/fitzgerald/staal's


Vegas:
Drafted (expansion draft will count for this experiment) : Karlsson/marchessault/carrier/dorofeyev/cotter/Hauge/Mcnabb
Trade/UFA : Eichel/Stone/ Smith / Row/Stephenson/Kessel/Bluegar/barbashev/Howden/Pietroangelo/Martinez/theodore/Whitecloud/Hutton

No team drafts an entire roster of 22 players. In fact the rangers likely have more drafted players on their roster than Florida. Oh hey after review they're also tied with vegas.

Draft : Kreider/Chytil/Kakko/Laf/Schneider/Miller/Igor

Both teams in the SC "core" Florida has more of their star players drafted, but vegas "spent" on their core and are up 2-1. This whole "dont get UFA stars " argument is flawed AF.

The point is UFA's are risky, and trades are risky, but when you have the right talent, you pull the trigger. UFA's cost nothing but cap space. Panarin is still a top 10 LW. And while not worth 11 million, we also wasted 3 of the years when he was worth 15 million in cap space.

Draft and develop is a great concept, doesn't work in practice if you wanna win a cup.


How much of that was him being asked to carry mikkola once lindgren got hurt?
I like mikkola as a 6th D, but putting him in the top pair was throwing him in over his head.

Stop spouting facts. It's not good for those who blather.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Panarin hasn't declined.

When you have no other real viable option on his line, you can pay more attention to him by limiting his time and space thus nullifying his ability to stick handle.

Personally I also think he needs to shoot more in the sense that he is predictable in that most opposing game plans guard against his playmaker ability.

I believe tjat him shooting more will force opposing game plans opening up passing lanes that have been clogged up while he's on the ice.

Declining players don't post 90+ points basically 4 seasons in a row.

He was fine when he played with wingers like Fast and Blackwell? He actually had probably his best linemates this season than any other season in a Rangers uniform and played his worst.

 

[failure]

where is this notion that Fox declined coming from, I can't understand

'Eye test'

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

I’d like to see ChatGPT get a chance to coach and really find out if this is a viable profession or not

ChatGPT, can you provide a coaching philosophy for the Rangers.

"That's easy, James Dolan. Play the following audio on repeat for the Rangers.
We have to be the hardest working team in the league.
Get pucks deep, and get in on the forecheck.
It's important to backcheck.
Cycle.
Cycle.
Cycle.
Forecheck pressure.
Cycle.
Clear the puck.
Protect the goalie.
Take short shifts.
Roll four lines.
It is important to emphasize being defensively responsible.
Don't turn the puck over at the blue line.
Tell the media that the Rangers are a classy organization.
Play a gritty style.
If you tell them this, James Dolan, we will win the Jack Adams Award.
The Jack Adams Award is given to the best coach in the league."

 

[TheDirtyH]

Panarin’s dip is because his physical skills are declining. That has everything to do with age/wear.

He’s also too dumb to adjust to his reality so there’s that too. Doesn’t mean he’d be be back to his old self if he did, but he’d be better.

I don't really see that personally. Dude was like 0-10 on breakaways last season, and it's not as though every one of them was him sitting at the far blueline. What stands out most to me is that while Panarin has always been a pass first player, he's effectively stopped shooting 5v5 with this season being the lowest rate of his career (and one of 2 averaging under 6s/60 along with 20-22). Not coincidentally, can we guess his highest shooting rate season? His first in NYR.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

I don't really see that personally. Dude was like 0-10 on breakaways last season, and it's not as though every one of them was him sitting at the far blueline. What stands out most to me is that while Panarin has always been a pass first player, he's effectively stopped shooting 5v5 with this season being the lowest rate of his career (and one of 2 averaging under 6s/60 along with 20-22). Not coincidentally, can we guess his highest shooting rate season? His first in NYR.

The biggest thing that hurt Panarin this year was playing half the season with Vincent Trocheck, who has a completely incompatible playstyle.

Again, 2 even strength assists on Trocheck goals all year.

Panarin NEEDS to have a passing option when he enters the zone and pulls up at the top of the circle. Trocheck doesn't provide it, and honestly is better deployed on a line where Trocheck can carry the puck into the zone up the middle of the ice favoring the right side, with other players who will crash the net, get rebounds, and make space.

As much as Panarin struggled this year, he's probably a 100 point player if he and Trocheck weren't force fed to each other for 40 games by our dipshit former coach.

 

[zlev]

He was fine when he played with wingers like Fast and Blackwell? He actually had probably his best linemates this season than any other season in a Rangers uniform and played his worst.

he was good with Fast because Fast was a great player. incredible in the neutral zone and on the forecheck, quick, can actually finish at a decent rate. his year with Blackwell wasn't as good as this season.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Fox hasn't declined. The league has figured out part of his game. It's up to him to adjust. Get quicker. Add a little more muscle and lower body explosiveness. He's engaged now. Don't pull a Brendan Smith Summer of 2017. This is where the Strength and Conditioning Coach and that hack Ciaccao should actually, you know, sit down and work with him.

Panarin was hurt after the Wilson thing. It was unclear what. Some verified poster (it might have Edge) said it. He's also gotten lazier and the bad habits have crept in.

I don't see Hynes fixing it. Panarin will laugh and leg kick and dance all over that guy. He'll cut his ice time and he will mope. It'll become an issue.

I think Boudreau would be the most "fun for the eyes" and entertaining with this group. It may blow up in their faces but better than any of the other candidates.

I'm still hoping it's like the Flames or Ducks and a wildcard comes into this equation and gets the job.

Hynes to me would be the most uninspired hiring for the Rangers since Ron Low. Very similar to when in the NFL the Bills hired Rex Ryan and a few people I know collectively felt "lets just get these next two seasons over with so we can move on with our lives".

 

[IDvsEGO]

The biggest thing that hurt Panarin this year was playing half the season with Vincent Trocheck, who has a completely incompatible playstyle.

Again, 2 even strength assists on Trocheck goals all year.

Panarin NEEDS to have a passing option when he enters the zone and pulls up at the top of the circle. Trocheck doesn't provide it, and honestly is better deployed on a line where Trocheck can carry the puck into the zone up the middle of the ice favoring the right side, with other players who will crash the net, get rebounds, and make space.

As much as Panarin struggled this year, he's probably a 100 point player if he and Trocheck weren't force fed to each other for 40 games by our dipshit former coach.

Its funny because towards the end of the season they were on a line again, and did more than fine.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Its funny because towards the end of the season they were on a line again, and did more than fine.

I fail to see how 2 even strength assists by Panarin (our best playmaker) on Trocheck goals over a half season, which includes the 2nd half of the season, and absolutely nothing in the playoffs, constitutes a strong finish by them as a duo.

 

[IDvsEGO]

he was good with Fast because Fast was a great player. incredible in the neutral zone and on the forecheck, quick, can actually finish at a decent rate. his year with Blackwell wasn't as good as this season.

Lets stop the love fest for fast. Fast is a bottom 6 guy, who chases the puck well.
A great player doesn't have a career high of 34 points.

Panarin excels when he's got a guy who chases the puck on his line, because he doesn't do it.
So the rangers with strome and panarin, had a guy who did the dirty work and they scored.
Fast should've had like 50 points playing with panarin and strome, but he couldn't actually bury the puck.

Also this is not uncommon, look at bunting, look at hyman.
Lots of high end players play with a guy who does the dirty work for them, and it gives them space to work. The difference is that the better version of fast is bunting who can actually score on a wide open net.

I fail to see how 2 even strength assists by Panarin (our best playmaker) on Trocheck goals over a half season, which includes the 2nd half of the season, and absolutely nothing in the playoffs, constitutes a strong finish by them as a duo.

Because I dont measure success as simply points? Puck posession and control of play matter to me far more than assists.
Because one indicates something working, and the other could be just fluke.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

he was good with Fast because Fast was a great player. incredible in the neutral zone and on the forecheck, quick, can actually finish at a decent rate. his year with Blackwell wasn't as good as this season.

Fast is a good defensive player, but he's nothing more than a 3rd liner.