Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Rangers have lost 13 out of their last 17 games. What would you do if you were Dolan (the owner of the team) or Drury (the GM)?
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LetsGoBLUES91
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Pure Slaughter Value
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Don't FALL for "win now with vets" BS
Trade expensive vets, play da kids
If Drury had listened to Bern Rangers would've expanded window
Trade expensive vets, play da kids
If Drury had listened to Bern Rangers would've expanded window
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wunderpanda
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if i'm dolan...
-fly to quebec city, hartford, houston, atlanta and make sure someone tracks it on flightaware & posts about it
-meet with port authority or whatever office runs the train station under msg
-make a vague press release about the meetings not being related to relocation
now everyone will speculate about relocation instead of wins & losses, the gm can say the speculation in the media isn't a distraction and the coach & players can talk about how great the fans are.
-fly to quebec city, hartford, houston, atlanta and make sure someone tracks it on flightaware & posts about it
-meet with port authority or whatever office runs the train station under msg
-make a vague press release about the meetings not being related to relocation
now everyone will speculate about relocation instead of wins & losses, the gm can say the speculation in the media isn't a distraction and the coach & players can talk about how great the fans are.
Bounces R Way
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Go back in time and trade whatever for Jack Eichel I guess
@Machinehead I saw your post in the now deleted Kredier to Van thread. You said they had two fluke runs to the ECF.
My question to you is how can you call those 2 runs to the ECF flukes when you also had another 50 win season in-between those 2 ECF runs?
My question to you is how can you call those 2 runs to the ECF flukes when you also had another 50 win season in-between those 2 ECF runs?
Machinehead
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I'm gonna get heat for this, but the truth is, wins and losses are an absolutely terrible indicator of how you're playing.
Let's say you win 4-3. That's a pretty common score. The sample size is 7. Stretch that out over 10 games, and you have a sample of 70 scoring events. Basketball has 70 scoring events in a game. Ok, so basketball is pretty high-scoring. But in football you still have to go all the way down the field. Every yard is a measurable event. In baseball, every pitch is a measurable event. Both sports are sequenced play by play.
Hockey is a cacophony of speed and a rubber disc bouncing all over the place with no sequencing and very limited control over the object in play. Which shots go in is essentially random, and it's very rare that there's a win or a loss that isn't close to going the other way based on bounces and the whims of the universe.
The Rangers were extremely lucky last year. Add that on top of elite goaltending and an elite powerplay, and you win some games. Anybody who's paying attention to this team and not just saying "hey they won!" will tell you that this team has been an absolute chore to watch for four seasons now.
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They have this ability on any given night to do absolutely nothing, and then find a way to make that 1 play out of nowhere to score a goal.
Machinehead
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Right, which isn't terribly repeatable and is gonna go in peaks and valleys.
They're getting nothing right now in terms of things going their way.
They're probably not this bad but they were never that good.
I actually don't disagree with any of that. I do believe that there are certain scenarios where a full season or even multiple seasons can in fact be small sample sizes.
I'm on record saying a goalie's SV% can be artificially deflated over entire seasons and even careers when playing on strong defensive teams. Brodeur playing on such strong defensive teams deflated his SV% because he played in so many low shot total games. HD chances is actually not correlative to total shots.
Anyways that is a different topic altogether albeit coincides with the idea of full seasons being small sample sizes.
I still don't know if "fluke" is the word I'd use. It is proven that teams can play the PDO game and win Cups that way.
Tawnos
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Luck really does not describe what we've seen from the Rangers over the last few years. There are some people who go too hard-in on statistics and decide that there are only two elements to performance. Statistics and luck. Basically, they form opinions as if the human element to the game doesn't exist. I enjoy statistics, but in small sample sizes (which are rightly pointed out), it's easier to make statistical outcomes take a back seat to other things.
The Rangers weren't lucky last year. They weren't lucky in 2022 either. They had a team capable of willing itself to wins at a high level... right up until they had to play against a team that could match or best their will, and best their talent too.
The problem sometimes with that kind of thing is that sometimes it can be fickle. It relies a huge amount on confidence. If the Rangers had found a way early on in this stretch to come back in one of those games like they did so often last year, they would have kept winning. Instead, they failed to do what they'd become accustomed to doing and it destroyed their confidence. That started a self-perpetuating cycle. Then it hurt them even more that their captain couldn't get out of his own head.
It doesn't help that Laviolette doesn't have them playing a system that they can always fall back on when things go south. But it was never just luck.
The Rangers weren't lucky last year. They weren't lucky in 2022 either. They had a team capable of willing itself to wins at a high level... right up until they had to play against a team that could match or best their will, and best their talent too.
The problem sometimes with that kind of thing is that sometimes it can be fickle. It relies a huge amount on confidence. If the Rangers had found a way early on in this stretch to come back in one of those games like they did so often last year, they would have kept winning. Instead, they failed to do what they'd become accustomed to doing and it destroyed their confidence. That started a self-perpetuating cycle. Then it hurt them even more that their captain couldn't get out of his own head.
It doesn't help that Laviolette doesn't have them playing a system that they can always fall back on when things go south. But it was never just luck.
The next 15 games or so will likely determine a lot of futures in NY. Rangers have benefitted from an extremely soft schedule to start the year (2nd easiest in the league) and they have a couple more cupcakes before their schedule becomes a gauntlet. 4 games from now:
Stars
Hurricanes
Devils
Lightning
Panthers
Bruins
Blackhawks
Stars
Devils
Vegas
Colorado
They have a very short window to get it figured out or they're going to be heavily behind the 8 ball for the 2nd half of the year.
Stars
Hurricanes
Devils
Lightning
Panthers
Bruins
Blackhawks
Stars
Devils
Vegas
Colorado
They have a very short window to get it figured out or they're going to be heavily behind the 8 ball for the 2nd half of the year.
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Actually hoping they get slaughtered in that run of games to cement Drury's position into moving the rotten core and end any thoughts of buying at the deadline.
Shhhhhh! You'll get accused of "Soft Tampering."
FiveTacos
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I don't know about "extremely lucky" ... a great goalie and an excellent PP, those are legitimate parts of a team. Great saves and PP goals count, and I don't consider those things luck. If your great goalie stole you games, if your PP saved you in a few situations, those are legit ways to win. The problem is if you're so dependent on just a couple things, and any of those slip just a little, you could go from top team to mediocre in a hurry.
I would describe it more as "fragile" than "lucky" I suppose. I think the Rangers' generally good record in recent years has indeed felt a little fragile, yet it was still real.
But if they were ever gonna win a Cup, it was going to be one of those "goalie goes nuts with a good enough team," scenarios, as opposed to where they're just the better team 4 series in a row.
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Sir, if you could come with me to my office, I need to talk you about tampering.
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this, bern was the only one who saw Broberg's value and always wnated him. He has been vindicate\d
good team going through a rough stretch, they’ll make the playoffs even jf they don’t change anything but they don’t have chance of winning the cup the way their roster currently is unless Igor goes on a historical 2012 Jonathan Quick playoff run.
Zibenejad yes. Panarin has been their best forward this year, again... and was respectable in the playoffs last year. He had 4 game winning goals.
This season it's not on Panarin, it's the supporting cast. Zibenejad and Kreider have fell off the face of the earth. They're not even half as good as they were 2 years ago. Kreider is just a PP specialist at this point.
Fox has also been mediocre this season. Has left a lot to be desired offensively and defensively. Fox had 17 goals last season, we are 27 games into this season and he has 0. Thats unacceptable for a franchise defense man widely considered top-5 in the league.
Chytil is made of glass. You can't count on him being in the line up.
Miller has been a disappointment this season on the back end.
Shesterkin and Quick have been flat out lousy for them the last couple of weeks. And for some reason, when Shesterkin is at his worst, is when Drury increases his offer to $11.5 million a season.
There are a lot of reasons they've been awful for the last month.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Think it’s unfair to put it on the goaltending. Not to say they haven’t had a bad game or two, but their overall numbers are some of the best in the league analytics-wise. There have also been a lot of games where the team sucks and they put up good numbers and it’s not even talked about because everyone is mad the team lost.
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