Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Mortimer Snerd]

This seems like the unicorn. It wasn't Monahan.

Of all the UFA 2Cs available, I'm sure Nelson and Gourde (who is not big) have NTCs with Winnipeg on it. That leaves Granlund. Good player, but does he change anything? Do the Jets go longer term? How far away is Yager? I really like the idea of Perfetti-Yager-Chibrikov as a 2nd line as early as next season. Maybe keep Namestnikov for insurance.

Is there a player you see who fits the mold? Namestnikov is still the best defensive player on that line.

I saw you post Miller for top paring minutes. I wonder if Miller is capable of those minutes. Maybe it's the 3rd pairing role that is contributing to his success, I can't say, but it does seem like he is getting some load management. When is the last time Miller was a 20 minute a night defenseman?

I don't know Granlund well enough to have a solid opinion. It seems to me that I remember him being a strong skater a few years ago. He is scoring at about a ppg pace with SJS this year so he must be aging well so far. He typically scores about 2.5 A per G, so a pretty good playmaker. Based on that he should be a good fit but I would like to hear from people who have paid more attention to him than I have.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'd be looking at someone with term

Morgan Frost is someone who is think would fit there and might not cost a fortune to aquire. He's not big, but at 6'0 he's not small either

He seems like he's in and out of Tort's doghouse for whatever reason

I guess it also depends on Ehlers' intentions (if he's gone, Lambert could switch to the wing) and how far away Yager is (I'm guessing at least one year on thr Moose, maybe 2)

If I have counted correctly Frost is in his 6th NHL season so he is only 1 more year away from UFA. But 1 additional year is better than none and might align with Yager's timeline.

Either Lambert or Chibrikov might be able to fill Ehlers' wing spot. A lot easier to swallow that loss if there is an adequate C to work with Perfetti and Lambert/Chibrikov.

 

[Whileee]

I think Chevy might be a gun shy on the rental market, it really has not served him well. On the hand he has had much more success when he makes a hockey trade and I think that's the route he is going to go. Move a player or two plus a prospect or two to get the player or players that this team needs.

I could see him moving Ehlers if he's looking at a big hockey trade. But it would probably have to be with a team that Ehlers would re-sign with. Another option might be trading Ehlers for futures as a rental to a team looking for offense, and flipping those assets in a bigger deal.

I could see the Jets trading Perfetti if they are able to extend Ehlers, but I think they'll be reluctant to trade Perfetti at this stage. He's getting better and better this season, and is still young.

Iafallo likely has some trade value, but I doubt they'd trade him unless they have a bigger deal and need the cap space.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Most of these 2C targets have similar or worse stats than Names...

if we are looking at that level of player... id actuallu bring back Copp with salary retention - then see if theres chemistry with ehlers.. we know he fits the team and the system

System was different when he was here. He was 3 HC ago. But he was always a good FO man and played well defensively. He has some offense, but not a lot. Might be an interesting idea.

He is under contract for 2 more years after this one. Not sure DRW would want to be stuck with retention for that long. But otherwise, I don't think the price would be too high.

If we're putting a package together for Cozens and Nik was extending, I think I'd be OK including Lambert.... or even Perfetti.

The reality is that a second line built around Ehlers and Cozens could be filled out by any of Chibs, Lambert or Perfetti. That leaves the others as trade bait (with varying value)

If Ehlers has his foot out the door for sure, then that changes things obviously

That said, if Chevy calls on Cozens I think Salo is the ask to start. Sabres are massively deficient in RHD

I wouldn't give up either Perfetti or Salo, especially not Salo, for Cozens.

 

[bustamente]

I could see him moving Ehlers if he's looking at a big hockey trade. But it would probably have to be with a team that Ehlers would re-sign with. Another option might be trading Ehlers for futures as a rental to a team looking for offense, and flipping those assets in a bigger deal.

I could see the Jets trading Perfetti if they are able to extend Ehlers, but I think they'll be reluctant to trade Perfetti at this stage. He's getting better and better this season, and is still young.

Iafallo likely has some trade value, but I doubt they'd trade him unless they have a bigger deal and need the cap space.

It's starting to sound like Chevy will have to do something with Nik one way or another before moving on to either a trade or deadline deal. Nik is the first domino

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I could see him moving Ehlers if he's looking at a big hockey trade. But it would probably have to be with a team that Ehlers would re-sign with. Another option might be trading Ehlers for futures as a rental to a team looking for offense, and flipping those assets in a bigger deal.

I could see the Jets trading Perfetti if they are able to extend Ehlers, but I think they'll be reluctant to trade Perfetti at this stage. He's getting better and better this season, and is still young.

Iafallo likely has some trade value, but I doubt they'd trade him unless they have a bigger deal and need the cap space.

Moving pieces. The thing is that any trade this year needs to make us better this year. So trading any of Ehlers, Perfetti or Iafallo is unlikely. Though any of them could go for the right return.

I wonder if usage and success this year might be making an extension more likely for Ehlers. The longer it goes undone the less likely it becomes but it remains possible until he actually signs with another team.

IF Ehlers is as good as gone it limits trading of other wingers, like Perfetti or Lambert.

 

[Bob E]

What previous trade are you basing that price for cozens.

I don’t think Ehlers (rental) or Perfetti (alone) would land you Cozens, though including both, the Sabres would need to add to make it work.

Very few young C’s, highly touted, are traded. Couple of examples would be PL Dubois and Ryan Johansen. Both had put up similar numbers to Cozens at the time and were traded for similar aged, similar draft spot, player(s).

PLD for Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari and 2nd (Freij)

RJ for Seth Jones

If you’re trading for Cozens, a highly touted young player that has shown some promise in his young career, you’ll have to include a similar aged and productive player. That’s Perfetti. Or even Vilardi.

A productive Ehlers on an expiring deal likely holds a TDL value of a 1st, bottom roster player and/or decent prospect as a rental. That package with some tweaks could be flipped and might land you Cozens.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I don’t think Ehlers (rental) or Perfetti (alone) would land you Cozens, though including both, the Sabres would need to add to make it work.

Very few young C’s, highly touted, are traded. Couple of examples would be PL Dubois and Ryan Johansen. Both had put up similar numbers to Cozens at the time and were traded for similar aged, similar draft spot, player(s).

PLD for Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari and 2nd (Freij)

RJ for Seth Jones

If you’re trading for Cozens, a highly touted young player that has shown some promise in his young career, you’ll have to include a similar aged and productive player. That’s Perfetti. Or even Vilardi.

A productive Ehlers on an expiring deal likely holds a TDL value of a 1st, bottom roster player and/or decent prospect as a rental. That package with some tweaks could be flipped and might land you Cozens.

Ehlers is worth more than Kupari iafallo and a2nd so seems like an overpayment.
Perfetti is worth than Villardi was as Villardi was injury prone. There’s a reason la was willing to give up an overpaid 4th liner an injury prone top liner and a waiver wire piece.

A closer equivalent trade I think is Perfetti Appleton who has better numbers and contract than Iafallo when traded, lambert who is tracking I think as well as Kupari, and a 2nd.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Moving pieces. The thing is that any trade this year needs to make us better this year. So trading any of Ehlers, Perfetti or Iafallo is unlikely. Though any of them could go for the right return.

I wonder if usage and success this year might be making an extension more likely for Ehlers. The longer it goes undone the less likely it becomes but it remains possible until he actually signs with another team.

IF Ehlers is as good as gone it limits trading of other wingers, like Perfetti or Lambert.

Wonder what you’d sign ehlers for. If he was healthy and could give you 82 games the highest I’d go is 8 mil for 5 years.
With all his injuries I imagine a 60 pt player goes for 7.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Wonder what you’d sign ehlers for. If he was healthy and could give you 82 games the highest I’d go is 8 mil for 5 years.
With all his injuries I imagine a 60 pt player goes for 7.

Then if you're Chevy he is gone.

 

[10Ducky10]

Buffalo wouldn't be interested in draft picks.
They want veteran players.

 

[Jet]

I don't know Granlund well enough to have a solid opinion. It seems to me that I remember him being a strong skater a few years ago. He is scoring at about a ppg pace with SJS this year so he must be aging well so far. He typically scores about 2.5 A per G, so a pretty good playmaker. Based on that he should be a good fit but I would like to hear from people who have paid more attention to him than I have.

I like Granlund, I advocated for the Jets to acquire him last tdl, but I wonder if he's what we should be looking at if we really want to upgrade 2c. I think he's pretty similar to Namestnikov, who by all accounts is a great team fit, like being here and is well liked.

At the right price I'd grab him anyway as you can never have too many centers, but I'd really like to see Chevy take one of his unexpected swings and get a legit 2C with size and speed. Unfortunately we'll have to give up something significant for that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I like Granlund, I advocated for the Jets to acquire him last tdl, but I wonder if he's what we should be looking at if we really want to upgrade 2c. I think he's pretty similar to Namestnikov, who by all accounts is a great team fit, like being here and is well liked.

At the right price I'd grab him anyway as you can never have too many centers, but I'd really like to see Chevy take one of his unexpected swings and get a legit 2C with size and speed. Unfortunately we'll have to give up something significant for that.

If he has term, sure give up something significant for a big fast 2C.

I would rather not get any high end rentals, but if we are going for a 2C yet again Granlund looks pretty good. He may be similar to Names but he is scoring at close to double the rate.

 

[John Agar]

LA is going no where...

Maybe Anze Kopitar wants to win a 3rd Cup to ensure a Hall of Fame entrance... ?

Trade for Anze Kopitar...

 

[tbcwpg]

LA is going no where...

Maybe Anze Kopitar wants to win a 3rd Cup to ensure a Hall of Fame entrance... ?

Trade for Anze Kopitar...

10th overall in the NHL, LA?

 

[John Agar]

10th overall in the NHL, LA?

They will stumble post Christmas...

Just a feeling...

 

[DRW204]

I don’t think Ehlers (rental) or Perfetti (alone) would land you Cozens, though including both, the Sabres would need to add to make it work.

Very few young C’s, highly touted, are traded. Couple of examples would be PL Dubois and Ryan Johansen. Both had put up similar numbers to Cozens at the time and were traded for similar aged, similar draft spot, player(s).

PLD for Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari and 2nd (Freij)

RJ for Seth Jones

If you’re trading for Cozens, a highly touted young player that has shown some promise in his young career, you’ll have to include a similar aged and productive player. That’s Perfetti. Or even Vilardi.

A productive Ehlers on an expiring deal likely holds a TDL value of a 1st, bottom roster player and/or decent prospect as a rental. That package with some tweaks could be flipped and might land you Cozens.

cozens is on pace for 40 pts, way inferior than PLD or Johansen at the time of their trades. he hit 47 last year. he has a nearly 40M left on his deal. It's buy-low/sell-high, not buy-high/sell-low.

Why is he getting such a big trade return as if he's still producing at a near 70-pt pace? A PPG player & a near-equally aged player who is actually out-producing him, that's a ridiculous price. The Jets would probably never do that deal, and actually still need two more top-6 Fwds following that trade.

 

[Huffer]

cozens is on pace for 40 pts, way inferior than PLD or Johansen at the time of their trades. he hit 47 last year. he has a nearly 40M left on his deal. It's buy-low/sell-high, not buy-high/sell-low.

Why is he getting such a big trade return as if he's still producing at a near 70-pt pace? A PPG player & a near-equally aged player who is actually out-producing him, that's a ridiculous price. The Jets would probably never do that deal, and actually still need two more top-6 Fwds following that trade.

The Cozens talk on here is hilarious. Some posters are willing to move Perfetti, who's a smarter player and outproducing Cozens for him. And some are wanting to add. Perfetti alone is a loss for the Jets. Sabres fans are being pretty honest about Cozens, but you wouldn't know that here.

And regarding Perfetti, (not to you DRW), are we forgetting when he was demoted last playoffs after what was it, 3 points or something in the last game and didn't say a word? Or when he wasn't signed this past summer and instead of being a distraction, he went on whatever tour thing that was and represented the Jets? And some want to trade him for someone who's underperformed him and not even showing he can play C?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Buffalo wouldn't be interested in draft picks.
They want veteran players.

Yes.
But I doubt they want 30 somethings. They will want mid 20's.

 

[DRW204]

The Cozens talk on here is hilarious. Some posters are willing to move Perfetti, who's a smarter player and outproducing Cozens for him. And some are wanting to add. Perfetti alone is a loss for the Jets. Sabres fans are being pretty honest about Cozens, but you wouldn't know that here.

And regarding Perfetti, (not to you DRW), are we forgetting when he was demoted last playoffs after what was it, 3 points or something in the last game and didn't say a word? Or when he wasn't signed this past summer and instead of being a distraction, he went on whatever tour thing that was and represented the Jets? And some want to trade him for someone who's underperformed him and not even showing he can play C?

Agreed.
And if we moved out perfetti and ehlers, the Jets have who a top 6 wings going into the PO's. Namestnikov? The whole point is to get upgrades in the top 6.

 

[snowkiddin]

Agreed.
And if we moved out perfetti and ehlers, the Jets have who a top 6 wings going into the PO's. Namestnikov? The whole point is to get upgrades in the top 6.

Congratulations on 29,000 likes and 14 years here on HF, man.

I’m sorry that your main team, at least based on your username, the Detroit Red Wings, continue to suck ass, year in, year out.

Merry Christmas!

 

[DRW204]

Congratulations on 29,000 likes and 14 years here on HF, man.

I’m sorry that your main team, at least based on your username, the Detroit Red Wings, continue to suck ass, year in, year out.

Merry Christmas!

Thanks my allegiance to them has become secondary to the Jets since Datsyuk and Zetterberg retired

 

[Bob E]

The Cozens talk on here is hilarious. Some posters are willing to move Perfetti, who's a smarter player and outproducing Cozens for him. And some are wanting to add. Perfetti alone is a loss for the Jets. Sabres fans are being pretty honest about Cozens, but you wouldn't know that here.

And regarding Perfetti, (not to you DRW), are we forgetting when he was demoted last playoffs after what was it, 3 points or something in the last game and didn't say a word? Or when he wasn't signed this past summer and instead of being a distraction, he went on whatever tour thing that was and represented the Jets? And some want to trade him for someone who's underperformed him and not even showing he can play C?

When the game speeds up and gets more physical leading into the playoffs and Perfetti once again struggles with the pace and his production falters, would that change your view?

Should Cozens get traded to a quality team with playoff pedigree and with strong winger depth he could take off. Thats the risk a team will take.

 

[Buffdog]

The Cozens talk on here is hilarious. Some posters are willing to move Perfetti, who's a smarter player and outproducing Cozens for him. And some are wanting to add. Perfetti alone is a loss for the Jets. Sabres fans are being pretty honest about Cozens, but you wouldn't know that here.

And regarding Perfetti, (not to you DRW), are we forgetting when he was demoted last playoffs after what was it, 3 points or something in the last game and didn't say a word? Or when he wasn't signed this past summer and instead of being a distraction, he went on whatever tour thing that was and represented the Jets? And some want to trade him for someone who's underperformed him and not even showing he can play C?

When it comes to Perfetti vs Cozens, to me it's less about "who is the better player" and more about the team's needs

Depending on whether Ehlers re-signs, we have 3 or 4 players that can play wing on that line moving forward but no centre. It just makes sense to deal from a position of abundance to fill a position of need

Any combination of Ehlers, Chibs and Lambert can play on that 2nd line with Cozens

I'd also be willing to deal Perfetti for a long tetm solution at 1 RD

I really like Perfetti but I'm just being pragmatic

 

[Huffer]

When the game speeds up and gets more physical leading into the playoffs and Perfetti once again struggles with the pace and his production falters, would that change your view?

Should Cozens get traded to a quality team with playoff pedigree and with strong winger depth he could take off. Thats the risk a team will take.

Who's to say Perfetti falters and Cozens takes off though? That's the point. Maybe it happens, but it's all just conjecture and hope.

I'm not anti Cousins, bit he's a reclamation project at this point. Moving Perfetti is an overpay.